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I believe HDMI cable can't even carry 4K data stream. Assuming you could get it. Don't you need like Thunderbolt cable/network to pass full 4K data stream.

Trick is getting true 4K data at 120hz to the monitor. 4K tv is not displaying true 4K picture. And what you store that data on, need terabyte drives.
 
IF YOU RECORD IN 4K, BUT NOTHING HAS 4K PIXELS AND THUS HAS TO DOWNSAMPLE (ELIMINATING THE EXTRA DETAIL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DISPLAYED) TO LESS, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT.

Monitors are largely 1080p now, so a phone recording at that, regardless of the built in display, makes sense. 4K will not be a significant standard for the consumer monitor market for at least another 5 years, regardless of the $800+ displays that >1% of the market buys today.

This doesn't even begin to touch the MASSIVE storage requirements for 4K at 60fps+. The display unit at Best Buy was 4K, and they literally had to ship a different 4TB hard drive hooked up to an insane gaming rig EVERY TIME a different demo movie was released. NOTHING ABOUT THAT MAKES SENSE TO CONSUMERS.

I hope that explains it.

It explains it very clearly. However I'm still the person in the market for new televisions that will likely be 4k like I said in an earlier post. The same with monitors including the ones with higher then 1080p resolution I already own.

And again h265 makes file sizes much more manageable. That is the broadcast standard adopted by the UK and what netflix uses for their 4k I believe. Youtube uses VP9 or something. Regardless better compression is a given, just like with h264. I'm sure their were people saying the same thing about 1080 recording at one point.
 
Ok, I asked you a question and I get a smart remark.

Actually, you asked a question and I gave you an answer. If there was any snark, you're the one who read it in there. I can only guess why. Maybe it's because when you disagree with someone you like to be condescending about it? I just prefer to express a different viewpoint.

And it's true: You evidently thought you were seeing 4K video on your Note 4 because that's what Youtube told you it was, only you weren't. No need to get mad over it. I'm just telling you what your phone can and can't do.

Secondly, who cares about the display of the Note 4.

People who want to view videos in 4K, I would presume. If you're making such an incredibly large video file, what is the point if you're not going to see it all? And yes, while the iPhone 6 doesn't have a 1080p display, it doesn't also make ginormously huge video files that a Note 4 will in 4K. it's also probably more difficult at this point to source a lower res sensor for the iPhone 6 when a 1080p-capable ASIC is readily available. I'm sure when 4K sensors become incredibly cheap to mass produce, AND the cellular bandwidth to deliver gargantuan video files isn't so expensive, this will similarly change the narrative there, too.

1080p is commoditized and pedestrain, we get that. 4K is the thing at the moment that elite video geeks are drooling over. And yet you can't review your own work.
 
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Once 4k is relevant, it will be on an iPhone. Probably the 7. It's hardly relevant yet, and it's mostly for enthusiasts.

Once <technology> is relevant, it will be on an iPhone. Probably the <#>. It's hardly relevant yet, and it's mostly for enthusiasts.

Has been the response for a lot of things when dealing with Apple. A lot of us have just learned to deal with it. Just like how Apple is just now including NFC, when most everyone here were saying the iBeacon was the future. Clearly NFC is suddenly relevant (but not relevant enough for general use).

Oh don't worry, once Apple finally includes 4K these naysayers will use all of these reasons to justify it. Reasons that are all perfectly valid right now for Android devices that have 4K recording, but iPhone users won't admit that. Instead they'll bash it until Apple does it. Just like bigger screens, Intel CPUs on macs, etc.
Man I remember the stink storm when a bunch of us wanted native MMS support in the iPhone and how most folks here claimed it was a dead method of communication and that every one should be using email. Then the iPhone got MMS and those same folks got really quiet... :D ah good times...


Basically when it comes to Apple it is safer to not disparage a tech that they are not using because it is possible they may include it in the future.
 
You (we) need to be a bit more open minded about this. Not just throw in 4k recording and thats it.

File size, h265. Like used with FaceTime on the 6.

Steady the camera like we've done for eons. Take a look on youtube with smartphones that shoot in 4K. They videos are no more or less shaky then 1080p videos recorded with an iPhone.

Quality, yes that is subpar comparatively speaking. However that is something we've all come to expect just as an iPhone is subpar to even a cheap point and shoot with quality optics in video and photos.

Over the next couple months I'll be buying 2 new televisions and they will likely be 4k. I think a lot of people will be just because its offered and in no time thats all you'll be able to get (minimum) like 1080p is now.

They are much much more shaky and it's so obvious. Compared to iPhone 6 video, galaxy s5 4k video is absolute crap in terms of stabilization (No smartphone currently supports video stabilization while shooting 4k).
 
They are much much more shaky and it's so obvious. Compared to iPhone 6 video, galaxy s5 4k video is absolute crap in terms of stabilization (No smartphone currently supports video stabilization while shooting 4k).


My Z3 compact and the standard Z3 do stabilized 4K
 
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What are you going to play on this 4K TV of yours? 1080p on a 4K display looks worse than on a standard 1080p TV. So yes, the delivery of content to your TV matters.

Currently nearly all my television watching is me using my television as a monitor mirroring my Mac which is downsampling to 1080p. So I think I'll manage.

I cut the cord for cable over a year ago. So there is some content that is 4k like Netflix and Youtube. And it will only get bigger. I won't debate that the 4k content pool is shallow but it is there.

Also I've heard 1080 looks worse on 4k but my eyes can't distinguish it at all (at least on a 32" 4k screen). However I can clearly see the benefits with a 4k stream. Before purchase I will research that more on larger displays but at this point I feel its a non issue for me.
 
Actually, you asked a question and I gave you an answer. If there was any snark, you're the one who read it in there. I can only guess why. Maybe it's because when you disagree with someone you like to be condescending about it? I just prefer to express a different viewpoint.

And it's true: You evidently thought you were seeing 4K video on your Note 4 because that's what Youtube told you it was, only you weren't. No need to get mad over it. I'm just telling you what your phone can and can't do.



People who want to view videos in 4K, I would presume. If you're making such an incredibly large video file, what is the point if you're not going to see it all? And yes, while the iPhone 6 doesn't have a 1080p display, it doesn't also make ginormously huge video files that a Note 4 will in 4K. it's also probably more difficult at this point to source a lower res sensor for the iPhone 6 when a 1080p-capable ASIC is readily available. I'm sure when 4K sensors become incredibly cheap to mass produce, AND the cellular bandwidth to deliver gargantuan video files isn't so expensive, this will similarly change the narrative there, too.

1080p is commoditized and pedestrain, we get that. 4K is the thing at the moment that elite video geeks are drooling over. And yet you can't review your own work.

Ugh, got 2 sentences in and you lost me. I don't have a Note and thats a screen grab of the stream resolution on a computer of a Note 4 video.

And did you just define what you said as "snark" then say it was me that read it in there? At least feign ignorance to being snarky (your world not mine). Me saying, you are a textbook illustration of someone that fabricates stories (me owning a Note) is derogatory and you know it. At least I hope you capable of understand that.

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It is one crappy stabilization if true... :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROfrTvktp1E

Lol did you read the comments? First comment was "Z3 is clearly the winner, on video shooting!". I nearly fell over.

There is only one picture in there that I kind of liked a little better from the Z3 and that was probably more personal preference then anything.
 
OK, I can understand this is an Apple centric forum, but have you noticed that
Apple seems to have missed the boat on many occasions? Without competition
or someone to look outside the Apple box, they will sometimes dig themselves
into a hole they can't get out of.

Wrong future tech direction vision:
The Apple Lisa, optical writing "disc" to replace hard drive,
Newton, not supporting a wired touchpad, etc.

Latecomer, no vision:
Motorola chips instead of intel, NeXT computers (high price for few instead of low price for masses like workstations taken over by PC's), 3.5"/4" displays when the industry/consumers were going towards 5.5". No wearable display (Google Glass, Project Morpheus, Oculus, etc) research or direction. VR will take over the industry and consumers in less than 6 months.

So you can't just stay back and wait, or you will miss the boat and be too late to the party, losing a lot of consumers and marketshare. Microsoft came in so late they have NO App market on their phones, even though they can support low level language stuff that is capable of overtaking google's android phones (stuck on slow java language needing lots of ram and cpu).

1080p is a sure technology back 5 years ago. You can bet your life
it will become popular back then. Apple missed the 1080p boat until now (4-5 years late).

4K is a sure thing TODAY! The prices on 4K TV monitors are dropping
so fast (like flash ram prices). If you are saying Apple is going to wait until 2016, then again they will miss the boat (like waiting until now to upgrade to 5.5 inch iPhone 6). Apple is going to turn into Microsoft missing the boat if they don't start pushing correct technology vision into their planning. They are not a pure fashion company. Remember how the Apple Cube looked nice, but it bombed. You gotta have good technology too, good technology in the correct direction.

So looks like Apple will be late on 4K for at least 2 years (if iPhone 6S doesn't include it). They will miss the wearable vision for at least 6 years, because they spent all their time on a small screen watch instead of VR large display you can carry with you.

The PS4 costs about $300 and it can play 4K video. That is a mass produced machine (will approach 150 million devices like PS2 or PS3). Where are you going to play those 4K House of Cards show on? 4K HD TV. House of Cards happens to be the highest rated show, and it is in 4K! The most popular video channel is YouTube... It plays 4K! If Apple is that behind the times, and spends all their time on a dying industry they helped kill (the watch) then I am flabbergasted at their lack of vision. At least stay true to technology that is useful. If you want to do wearable, do it close to the eyes, or have displays that can be projected or unrolled, so it is big enough. Oh well, at least they wisened up and made iPhone 6 4.7" or higher. Notice there is no iPhone 6 in 4 inch (they are dropping this size next year!). So 4K or no buy is something that is going to hurt them very fast if they are as stubborn about it as they were about the 4inch or less size in iPhone 5S and before.

First of all, just because you have a capable 4K machine such as a PS4, or etc, you still need a 4K display

10 minutes of 4K recording is almost 5GB, many people do not buy expanded storage, smartphones are still shipping with 16GB of internal storage with bloatware on it still, storage is still not fully ready for 4K and neither do people really have 4K TV's and displays yet. It makes total sense to stick on 1080p recording for now for a smartphone
 
4K is something like 8.3MP. Ergo no 4K

4K refers to the horizontal resolution. Had more of a ring to it than staying with the vertical and calling it 2160P. Also helps to make it clear to consumers that it is 4x the resolution of full HD.

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Video of a video but that is a huge difference.

Side note, I hate how I have to use Chrome to translate certain webpages.

Pinch of salt applies I'm sure if its Sony's own promotion video for the stabilization.
 
whats the point when the iphone screen is only 1080p and most laptops today are still 768p...

we live in a at most 1080p world, not a 4k world.

i dont care how many tvs in bestbuys are 4k, i dont know ANYONE with a 4K tv yet.
 
4K refers to the horizontal resolution. Had more of a ring to it than staying with the vertical and calling it 2160P. Also helps to make it clear to consumers that it is 4x the resolution of full HD.

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Pinch of salt applies I'm sure if its Sony's own promotion video for the stabilization.

3840 x 2160 = 8.29 megapixels is what I believe they are saying.

And yeah, they're probably is a bit of editing but still impressive none the less.
 
whats the point when the iphone screen is only 1080p

we live in a 1080p world, not a 4k world.

i dont care how many tvs in bestbuys are 4k, i dont know ANYONE with a 4K tv yet.

Cropping and zooming when editing without losing quality for a 1080P output is useful though. 4K panels are dropping in price rapidly. I just picked up a 28 inch 4K monitor for pretty cheap now.
 
whats the point when the iphone screen is only 1080p and most laptops today are still 768p...

we live in a at most 1080p world, not a 4k world.

i dont care how many tvs in bestbuys are 4k, i dont know ANYONE with a 4K tv yet.

There are plenty of computer displays >1080 especially from Apple. Anything with retina, 27" iMac, rumored iMac is 5120 x 2880.

Its obvious no one will have a display of that resolution if they don't have anything to display on it.

And its pretty obvious Samsung, LG, etc etc will push 4k recording, they will perfect it too. Its obvious because those are the people making and selling 4k displays.

Its no different then the Apple pushing OSX integration with the iPhone (handoff, continuity, iMessage, etc).

Basically it benefits these companies currently. Apple will drag their feet on it until it benefits them or is cheap enough that it doesn't make sense not to include it.
 
Cropping and zooming when editing without losing quality for a 1080P output is useful though. 4K panels are dropping in price rapidly. I just picked up a 28 inch 4K monitor for pretty cheap now.

the iphone is a consumer level device though. you're obviously more of an enthusiast/pro level video user.
put it this way, if the iphone captures 4k vids but there was a toggle on my iphone to turn 4K recording off, i would activate that toggle.
 
Currently nearly all my television watching is me using my television as a monitor mirroring my Mac which is downsampling to 1080p. So I think I'll manage.

I cut the cord for cable over a year ago. So there is some content that is 4k like Netflix and Youtube. And it will only get bigger. I won't debate that the 4k content pool is shallow but it is there.

Also I've heard 1080 looks worse on 4k but my eyes can't distinguish it at all (at least on a 32" 4k screen). However I can clearly see the benefits with a 4k stream. Before purchase I will research that more on larger displays but at this point I feel its a non issue for me.

Ah, you my friend, are far from the average consumer. In your case I think you'll do better than manage.

As for the vast majority of consumers, especially in America (sorry I'm so centric on this) 4K is at least a decade out from being even infrastructurally feasible.

Also, does anyone know when hardware h265 decoders are set to be mainstream? As far as I'm aware the iPhone is the first to have an actual chip rather than handling it via software. I could be wrong though.
 
Apple did not including 4K video recording when they got camera module that is capable of it from Sony. Same mistake of them not going for bigger phone size/resolution until it is too late. Why are they always one generation behind the demand? Don't they notice the huge demand for 4K HD TV (needing 4K video recorders) just kicking in?

Apple may have lost a huge number of potential mobile phone customers to Sony Xperia Z3. Someone needs to put a technology pusher inside their ranks with vision, because this is a big mistake.

Here are the latest phones supporting 4K video... which is best in shooting 4k video?


LG G3
OnePlus One
Samsung Galaxy S5 / Note 4
Sony Xperia Z3

These are in alphabetical order. Someone please put them in quality order for 4K video.

Again this is another needless spec that some folks get hyped up over. Ask yourself these questions first before you salivate over a technology you don't need yet. Do you own a TV that can play 4K video? Computer? Can you watch 4K video on your phones? Can you send a 4K video to another user and they watch it on their phone/devices? The answer to most of these question will be no. In the future, that will change.

1080p is the standard and that is what we all should have.
 
At the current bitrate of the regular video now it would require 480MB per minute of regular video and 1.2 GB for a minute of 240fps slow motion.

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Again this is another needless spec that some folks get hyped up over. Ask yourself these questions first before you salivate over a technology you don't need yet. Do you own a TV that can play 4K video? Computer? Can you watch 4K video on your phones? Can you send a 4K video to another user and they watch it on their phone/devices? The answer to most of these question will be no. In the future, that will change.

1080p is the standard and that is what we all should have.

720P is the standard for ABC and ESPN in 2014!

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Ah, you my friend, are far from the average consumer. In your case I think you'll do better than manage.

As for the vast majority of consumers, especially in America (sorry I'm so centric on this) 4K is at least a decade out from being even infrastructurally feasible.

Also, does anyone know when hardware h265 decoders are set to be mainstream? As far as I'm aware the iPhone is the first to have an actual chip rather than handling it via software. I could be wrong though.

I believe the iPhone uses the h.265 for Facetime over cellular. Supposedly the same quality at half the size of h.264
 
I'm glad apple opted for smoother and more stable video instead of higher resolution video just for marketing wars, no mobile phone has a camera that can take full advantage of the 4k video resolution.

When shooting a feature-length movie in 4k, I doubt anyone would consider using any mobile phone, I also doubt the original poster actually has a 4k monitor hooked up to a workstation like a mac pro to edit 4k with either.

Having said all that, the 6 plus has optical image stabilisation, which means the 8MP/4K sensor (all be it the wrong aspect ratio) doesn't have to be zoomed in - so 4k video recording will probably be added to this model in iOS 8.x around March/April time (camera improvements historically come out at this time).
 
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