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No Blu-ray. No buy. Simple as that.

Unless Apple offers this upgrade at NO COST, I would love it. We already pay a Premium Price so I don't need Mac Book Pro's increasing in price.

I do collect Blu-ray Disc and majority of Studios are including Digital Copies. Sure the Quality doesn't come close but do I really want to take my collection with me too?
 
Riiight...

I've been moving away from optical media for years now. Sure, blu-ray has a great picture, but how often am I am going to be watching it on a 1080p, 50"+ TV with a great sound system?

I would think most of us watch our shows on TVs much smaller than that, or our computers (or iPhones or whatever). I'd MUCH rather have a 720p, one gig-ish file that's always available than ever have to bring discs along.

I like blu-ray, but it doesn't seem like all that necessary for laptops to contain right now.
 
joeshell383 said:
I don't need all the fanboys telling me why I don't need BR. Will optical media go away at some point? Likely. Will BR be the last major optical media format? Perhaps. However, BR is set to be a viable standard for years. The bottom line is no BR, no buy.

1. I want soft and hard backups. Time Machine is good as an interim backup solution, but I'll need to do periodic full backups of my media and other important files to be able to store permanently. DVD doesn't cut it.

2. I want to be able to burn HD content and read HD media and data from others as they adopt BR.

3. I'm starting my BR collection in the living room. When I'm packing for travel, I want to be able to take a disc from my living room and throw it in my bag. NOT take my credit card out of my wallet and hand Apple money for a slow-to-download, inferior quality, rental of a MOVIE I ALREADY OWN. Plus, what if I want to lend or sell a movie? What if I want to take it to a friend's house? What if I'm in a rush and can't wait for downloading?

The fact that Apple is on the BR Board of Directors makes the situation even more embarrassing for Apple. WWDC would have been a great venue to start offering Blu-ray. SL testers could have downloaded a new BR movie playback capable seed to use on their new MBPs with BR, tested BR movie playback over the summer, and helped Apple ready built-in BR movie playback support for the general public with SL in September. All Apple would have needed to do was put an asterisk next to BR in the feature list stating that movie playback support would be offered with the final version of SL.

It is pathetic. It is past due and it has come to no BR, no buy.
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Get a PC then. Nuff said. Complaining won't get you Mac with BR.
 
Cave Man said:
I have several Blu-ray discs that I've ripped using AnyDVD HD (Windows app), then play them using Plex. I get rid of all the other junk from the Blu-ray discs and just keep the m2ts file (with either AC3 or DTS audio tracks).
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Alright, thanks for clarifying. You can watch the whole video off your hard drive without eating battery, but what about from an optical blu-ray drive?
 
Cave Man said:
I never do that. The drive is used solely for ripping then the file is stored on a hard drive. Sometimes I'll transcode down to 720p for the Apple TV, but not usually.
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See the people here are complaining that they want the ability to toss in a blu-ray disc and watch a movie on an airplane, or whatever else. They obviously wont be doing any ripping then, so if we had an idea of battery impact we could decide, without user replaceable batteries, if it even makes sense.
 
uberamd said:
See the people here are complaining that they want the ability to toss in a blu-ray disc and watch a movie on an airplane, or whatever else. They obviously wont be doing any ripping then, so if we had an idea of battery impact we could decide, without user replaceable batteries, if it even makes sense.
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Well, I was replying to Scarlet Fever, who asked:

Scarlet Fever said:
Honest question; what's battery life like while watching a BR movie? I can watch 2 MTR dvd rips on a single charge of my white macbook.
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Thus my reply was about Blu-ray rips.
 
uberamd said:
I know, I read his reply as asking for physical disc specs, while using his ripped movie spec as a comparison.
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I stated rips because they are going to give much longer battery life for the same viewing time as the physical media. Besides, if you were on a plane, wouldn't you rather rip the movies than bring a case full of discs?
 
Scarlet Fever said:
I stated rips because they are going to give much longer battery life for the same viewing time as the physical media. Besides, if you were on a plane, wouldn't you rather rip the movies than bring a case full of discs?
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So people are trying to pass off high demand for blu-ray... then you state that rips are used? The average customer will never rip a movie, thus physical media playback time is what matters, not how many movies you can squeeze out of a rip.
 
uberamd said:
So people are trying to pass off high demand for blu-ray... then you state that rips are used?
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He only stated his use, not anyone else's. There are quite a few people who rip their Blu-ray discs, myself included. Much more convenient to put five or six on the hard drive when traveling than lugging around the discs and the risk of losing those expensive discs.

The average customer will never rip a movie, thus physical media playback time is what matters, not how many movies you can squeeze out of a rip.
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If DVDs are any indication, I suspect a rather huge number of people would rip their Blu-ray discs, provided the tools to do so become freely available (like they are for DVDs).
 
No BR reading was the only reason I skipped over buying this 17" MBP also. I was hoping in WWDC they would surprise everyone and release it as an upgrade. I'm sure they'll release it eventually - hopefully by that time a new format hasn't been released yet and this cruel torture begins all over again :D
 
Cave Man said:
He only stated his use, not anyone else's. There are quite a few people who rip their Blu-ray discs, myself included. Much more convenient to put five or six on the hard drive when traveling than lugging around the discs and the risk of losing those expensive discs.



If DVDs are any indication, I suspect a rather huge number of people would rip their Blu-ray discs, provided the tools to do so become freely available (like they are for DVDs).
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Where I work the DVD's and Blu Rays are now roughly the same price.
 
lossless audio LOL
may i ask what your headset is? if you are just using a sub $300 earset, you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between lossless and 256kbps.
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That's not necessarily true. For example, a lossless audio format like Dolby TrueHD has a significantly lower noise floor and higher dynamic range than its predecessor, Dolby Digital. While it is true that higher quality speakers and headsets will pick up more detail, these are differences that can be heard, even on less expensive equipment.
 
blackhand1001 said:
Where I work the DVD's and Blu Rays are now roughly the same price.
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Where do you work?

The only places where I have seen CURRENT ISSUE moves on DVD and Blu-Ray even close in price are Flea Markets and Pawn Shops.

Now if you're talking about old stuff being pressed on Blu-Ray, you know like old movies and old TV shows that were not shot in HD, yeah I could see that.

On the other hand you might be in an area where Blu-Ray sales have tanked and they need to lower the price to boost sales.
 
harcosparky said:
Where do you work?

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Now if you're talking about old stuff being pressed on Blu-Ray, you know like old movies and old TV shows that were not shot in HD, yeah I could see that.

snip.
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I think this is the biggest rip off. They just look bad!

Also, I'm amazed this is still being discussed. There aren't any drives that will fit these thin Apple laptops and I'm not sure if Apple's numbers alone will warrant someone building one unless every Apple laptop came with it -- which is not likely to happen anytime soon.

I want Blu-ray have a ton of movies to prove it but if it's not possible yet, I just know that if I want portable Blu-ray I have to keep a Windows laptop until it is.

Cheers,
 
Cave Man said:
If DVDs are any indication, I suspect a rather huge number of people would rip their Blu-ray discs, provided the tools to do so become freely available (like they are for DVDs).
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Do you really think a "huge" number of people rip DVDs? It may seem like it based on web sites you browse, but the fact is the most consumers can barely work a DVD player.

You're vastly overestimating the tech know-how and abilities of people.
 
chriszzz said:
Do you really think a "huge" number of people rip DVDs? It may seem like it based on web sites you browse, but the fact is the most consumers can barely work a DVD player. You're vastly overestimating the tech know-how and abilities of people.
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Well, I just walked down the hallway here and did an informal survey of 11 people:

  • 4 routinely rip DVDs
  • 3 occasionally rip them
  • 4 have never ripped them

Not scientific for sure, but I suspect most people who own computers and watch a lot of DVDs have ripped one or two. But regardless, it's more about market demand than anything. Even 5% can be a substantial number - just ask the folks at Porsche.
 
chriszzz said:
Do you really think a "huge" number of people rip DVDs? It may seem like it based on web sites you browse, but the fact is the most consumers can barely work a DVD player.

You're vastly overestimating the tech know-how and abilities of people.
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Exactly. Go up to your average, Mac owning college student for example and ask if they rip DVD's. They will give you a blank stare 90% of the time, I guarantee that!
Cave Man said:
I suspect most people who own computers and watch a lot of DVDs have ripped one or two.
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And what you suspect is flat out wrong. Like I said, hardly any average customer who owns DVD's rips them. I get calls from friends ALL the time asking to 'copy' dvd's for them, or get the video off the dvd so they can put it on their iPod, etc. ALL the time. Saying that most people who own computers and watch dvd's have ripped before is insanity. You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
 
uberamd said:
Exactly. Go up to your average, Mac owning college student for example and ask if they rip DVD's. They will give you a blank stare 90% of the time, I guarantee that!

And what you suspect is flat out wrong. Like I said, hardly any average customer who owns DVD's rips them. I get calls from friends ALL the time asking to 'copy' dvd's for them, or get the video off the dvd so they can put it on their iPod, etc. ALL the time. Saying that most people who own computers and watch dvd's have ripped before is insanity. You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
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Agreed, all the more reason for Apple to announce Blu-ray support and for some hardware maker to create a thin enough unit to use. Other than the Mac Pro or possibly the iMac/mini, the current crop of 12.7mm Bluray drives are too thick for Macs.

Cheers,
 
For me...I see absolutely no need to have Blu-Ray in a laptop. Do you need to watch your HD videos that badly on your laptop? Unless you are making movies and need to burn it, it isn't very practical in a laptop. There is reason behind all of Apple's decisions, and I am sure they see no need for one in their line.
 
noodle654 said:
For me...I see absolutely no need to have Blu-Ray in a laptop. Do you need to watch your HD videos that badly on your laptop? Unless you are making movies and need to burn it, it isn't very practical in a laptop. There is reason behind all of Apple's decisions, and I am sure they see no need for one in their line.
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As if being a couch potato wasn't bad enough. Now people want to turn their computers into portable DVD players.

The dumbing down of society continues.
 
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