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And then 4GB will get the same treatment... Then 8GB... Then 16GB...

The real question is — is there something that 2GB is preventing you from doing? Is your iPad sluggish?
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Of course it would have that. Why wouldn't it? Did they release an updated iPad with old Touch ID tech already? If so, shame on them.
2018 iPad - 1st gen touch id
 
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Because it takes literally half a second longer than the 2nd gen? Believe me, I know. I have a 6th gen iPad and an iPhone 8 Plus. I unlock them both dozens of times a day. I think you're more hung up on the idea of the 1st gen version being inferior rather than any practical difference in function. There's no doubt that the 2nd gen is faster, but if going with the 1st gen TouchID helps keep the price down even a little it's a no-brainer.
Faster, more reliable - enough to demand it... how much do you believe they save using inferior touch id? God, Steve used to say “we dont ship junk” - seems like Tim was not listening
 
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Faster, more reliable - enough to demand it... how much do you believe they save using inferior touch id? God, Steve used to say “we dont ship junk” - seems like Tim was not listening

I'm telling you, I use both generations of TouchID daily. The practical difference between them is insignificant. A fraction of a second in speed, and as far as reliability goes, I've been using TouchID since it debuted on the 5s and I'd confidently say that it's failed to correctly read my fingerprint well under 1% of the time over the years. Apple's mastered reliability even on the 1st generation. Especially considering that most people probably unlock their iPad less frequently than their phone, I really don't think that 1st gen is "an embarrassment". It's one of those things that only enthusiasts like use are likely to even think about.
[doublepost=1552165615][/doublepost]Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't call 1st gen TouchID "embarrassing" or "junk" compared to second. The difference is even less when you consider that the 8 Plus is a faster device than the 6th gen iPad, so it should open faster even if they had the same TouchID

 
How is the Pro keyboard any different than the Air keyboard? I though they were the same thing. I assume you're talking about the 2018 models...

I think he is referring to the touch bar vs function keys.
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The first generation Touch ID module is mechanical and so a potential fail point; gen 2 is more reliable.

The Touch ID generation is not linked to he mechanical button at all. The iPhone 6S which I have has gen 2 Touch ID and a physical button.
 
This is pathetic if true. Too lazy and greedy
of Apple to push such outdated design and esp such low grade face time camera only to make people buy Ipad pro (which are not computer but darn good iPads) for really great user experience. Hoping to be surprised in March though.

They haven’t released it yet how to you know what the camera will be?
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So the cheaper iPad has a headphone jack (which the pro doesn’t) and touch ID which I found to be more flexible than Face ID.

Crazy that the pro doesn’t have as many features as the iPad

No. It has different features. The cheaper iPad has older stuff (headphone jack and Touch ID) as it’s geared at the market of consumers who just don’t care. They wouldn’t even know wireless headphones were a thing let alone buy some.

While the Pro is for people like us who like technology enough to even notice the 4 speakers, want the latest like Face ID (just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not preferable to others) and likely have already bought wireless headphones or plan to.

Different segment of the market and different values.
 
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Apple does not lower prices because the price points are marketing driven not cost driven. They have high margins to satisfy their shareholders and give the leeway to be able to offer returns when it is really justified as they have done with MacBook Pros for example and some iPhones.
i keep hearing this, it seems that many people only cares about share holders, that’s very nice but what about costumers, i am a costumer that’s why i care about the costumer side, i don’t know why you are on the share holder side unless you are a share holder, apple should learn how to make a good balance in order to satisfy both, costumers and share holders and also themselves, but apple just want to rip off their costumers in order to make the already super rich, extremely and ridicously more richer
 
The only new feature I want from the newest ipads is the ability to magnetically attach and charge my apple pencil to my ipad.
 
i keep hearing this, it seems that many people only cares about share holders, that’s very nice but what about costumers, i am a costumer that’s why i care about the costumer side, i don’t know why you are on the share holder side unless you are a share holder, apple should learn how to make a good balance in order to satisfy both, costumers and share holders and also themselves, but apple just want to rip off their costumers in order to make the already super rich, extremely and ridicously more richer
Once Apple started considering shareholders, they doubled R&D, started paying dividends, had enough sales and capital growth to vastly expand their marketing reach, production level (tens of millions per year, not mere millions). So the price is one at which both producers and consumers are optimized. Hence why YOU buy them.
 
I think you're confused about how TouchID works. Are you maybe thinking about the mechanical vs. haptic home button that iPhones transitions to?
Not necessarily. TouchID Gen2 used a more advanced sensor that was faster & more accurate. That's separate from mechanical vs haptic feedback
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I don’t get it, it’s time to move in from TouchID completely.
So what you're hoping for is an "iPad R"
 
Touch ID was never “mechanical” , how could a finger print reader ever be mechanical ?

You Definitely misunderstood/misread @nzcatfood post. What they were saying, was the first generation touch ID was a mechanical push-button, with a spring, as compared to the second GEN touch ID that was using a ‘haptic home button’, which was _not_ mechanically controlled by a physical push, the button was soldered to the haptic engine itself for the feedback.
 
This is pathetic if true. Too lazy and greedy
of Apple to push such outdated design and esp such low grade face time camera only to make people buy Ipad pro (which are not computer but darn good iPads) for really great user experience. Hoping to be surprised in March though.
I don't think anyone expects a re-design for a budget iPad. It's already great hardware for the money. Apple falls short in iOS. It just doesn't support features that post PC users are looking for yet.
 
You Definitely misunderstood/misread @nzcatfood post. What they were saying, was the first generation touch ID was a mechanical push-button, with a spring, as compared to the second GEN touch ID that was using a ‘haptic home button’, which was _not_ mechanically controlled by a physical push, the button was soldered to the haptic engine itself for the feedback.

I don't understand what you or other poster are talking about. 1st vs 2nd gen TouchID has nothing to do with the push-in vs. haptic home button. No iPad has ever had a haptic home button.
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Not necessarily. TouchID Gen2 used a more advanced sensor that was faster & more accurate. That's separate from mechanical vs haptic feedback

I know. That's my point. I don't understand the previous comment that, "The first generation Touch ID module is mechanical and so a potential fail".
 
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The Touch ID stinks on my 6th gen iPads with iOS 12, it was much more accurate prior to that upgrade.

Mom doesn’t use it on hers (she hates iOS 12 coming from a never updated iPad 2), but it’s another annoyance for me.

Hoping it’ll be better on the iPad Mini 5, as I’ll skip the larger model if the mini gets pencil support and more ram.
 
Just hoping for quad speakers on the mini and same display as the current one paired with an A12 and decent RAM. USB-C + pencil support would be nice, but only the cherry on the cake...
After using the Pro for a while I really dislike FaceID. So, I'm quite happy with the mini sticking with TID.
 
Because it takes literally half a second longer than the 2nd gen? Believe me, I know. I have a 6th gen iPad and an iPhone 8 Plus. I unlock them both dozens of times a day. I think you're more hung up on the idea of the 1st gen version being inferior rather than any practical difference in function. There's no doubt that the 2nd gen is faster, but if going with the 1st gen TouchID helps keep the price down even a little it's a no-brainer.
I have a iPad mini 4 with 1st gen TouchID. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Cleaning it makes no difference. I also have a 6s with 2nd gen TouchID and guess what, it almost always works. So, it’s more about reliability than speed. At this point, the price difference between the two TouchID components is probably negligible. The iPad mini 5 should retain the laminated display from the mini 4 and add the A11/3-4GB of RAM as well as 2nd gen TouchID. That’s not asking for much since the design stays the same and none of the current hardware you find in recent devices will be used.
 
Personally, I'd be happy to cough up the dough if Apple would turn the iPad Pro 10.5" into the iPad 7. Utilize the current chassis, internals and cameras. Ditch the smart connector and the expensive display tech, and, sell a 32gb model at $429 while keeping the 2018 9.7" iPad 6 as is at the current $329.
 
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I have a iPad mini 4 with 1st gen TouchID. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Cleaning it makes no difference. I also have a 6s with 2nd gen TouchID and guess what, it almost always works. So, it’s more about reliability than speed. At this point, the price difference between the two TouchID components is probably negligible. The iPad mini 5 should retain the laminated display from the mini 4 and add the A11/3-4GB of RAM as well as 2nd gen TouchID. That’s not asking for much since the design stays the same and none of the current hardware you find in recent devices will be used.

I can’t say I’ve ever had reliability issues with 1st Gen TouchID, and I’ve used it on 4 devices (iPhones 5s and 6, iPads Mini 4 and 6th Gen). I guess some people have better luck with it than others.

I can however guarantee you that the Mini 5 will not have 4GB of RAM. I’d be surprised if it even has 3.
 
No chance. Adding 4 or 5 new models doesn’t simplify things as much as you think.

But I would like an iPad mini Pro, though I don’t think they could sell enough at $599+ to make a go of it.

It does simplify things if by having those models all the other models are scrapped
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Seriously? The current lineup is crazy as it is, and you want to add more models to it to “simplify” the line?

What are you smoking?

There currently are 5 models of iPad... this would just alight them as either pro or regular and make features standard across each pro line and standard line
 
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