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No Flash Support on the iPhone

darwen said:
I agree, more could be done. Personally I would prefer a great piece of hardware with a solid operating software that is being built upon rather than waiting for the OS before I get the hardware. To answer your question, I would show you the original Keynote. The $600 is for 3 devices.

1) An all new iPod. A bigger screen with a new OS that runs on the best touch sensitive controls yet. Multiple sensors that make navigation easy. By turning the iPod you go into cover flow? That is cool!

2) A solid internet device. There still are few phones that do both cell and wifi internet. A device that can switch between the two is great. It is built around things like google maps. A touch sensitive device that is built to use google maps? All phones need this! It knows when you rotate the screen and turns the page to help! Plus, just touch elements to zoom in. Sure. No Java or Flash. I would bet its coming though.

3) A great phone. They looked at the phone and tried to figure out what is missing. Adding callers, viewing voicemail and getting to your contacts. Its all thought out. Other manufacturers dont really think about the experience when it comes to this. I always have problems with my phones OS's. It is hard to get to what I want.

If that does not do it... i'm sorry. This is a mobile mac. The integration with Mail, iPhoto, iCal and iTunes cannot be done with other phones. Get a Treo... you need to work to have it connect to your computer. Your phone should be the one working to try and get your inbox.
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Once again, don't give me that. A mobile mac should have more then address book, Safari, watered down quicktime and an awkward looking version of iTunes (can I even say that?) to be an ACTUAL Mac, it would need to be an OPEN PLATFORM or at least something other than "well it has developers! sorta. If you make something on the internet, you can view it on the iPhone!!!" Weak.
 
darwen said:
I give you the same response people have been giving all along. You keep using your crappy phone while I enjoy all the other great things about the iPhone. You dont see what those great things are? Check my post above. (4 posts above this)
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to each his own, but you deleted half of that same post. i'm still agreeing i love the phone, but that i will wait for the software to develop. i'm just disappointed apple didnt have these things at launch (if they will ever have them). people can spend $600 on a phone with incomplete features if they want, but to me its like buying a beta version of leopard. :p
 
Virtualball said:
Once again, don't give me that. A mobile mac should have more then address book, Safari, watered down quicktime and an awkward looking version of iTunes (can I even say that?) to be an ACTUAL Mac, it would need to be an OPEN PLATFORM or at least something other than "well it has developers! sorta. If you make something on the internet, you can view it on the iPhone!!!" Weak.
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And I say, once again, go get a treo. This thing connects to your mac nativly. It builds itself into the apps you already use. So you can't write your own software. Chill out! Other phones are crashing like crazy because crappy developers cant write propper code. I would rather have a locked down working phone than a phone I can screw up. You want open source? Why even use OS X? Sure, you can write for it but would linux be even better? That is complete crap. You wont buy a phone because only the manufaturer can write for it? Enjoy your cheaper, poorly thought out phone running a generic OS that can be found on just about all other phones.
 
That is crap. they repeatedly say "we put the FULL Safari browser in" and apparently Flash is not part of safari
 
darwen said:
And I say, once again, go get a treo. This thing connects to your mac nativly. It builds itself into the apps you already use. So you can't write your own software. Chill out! Other phones are crashing like crazy because crappy developers cant write propper code. I would rather have a locked down working phone than a phone I can screw up. You want open source? Why even use OS X? Sure, you can write for it but would linux be even better? That is complete crap. You wont buy a phone because only the manufaturer can write for it? Enjoy your cheaper, poorly thought out phone running a generic OS that can be found on just about all other phones.
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man, i thought i love apple :D
 
darwen said:
And I say, once again, go get a treo. This thing connects to your mac nativly. It builds itself into the apps you already use. So you can't write your own software. Chill out! Other phones are crashing like crazy because crappy developers cant write propper code. I would rather have a locked down working phone than a phone I can screw up. You want open source? Why even use OS X? Sure, you can write for it but would linux be even better? That is complete crap. You wont buy a phone because only the manufaturer can write for it? Enjoy your cheaper, poorly thought out phone running a generic OS that can be found on just about all other phones.
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OK, I will. I'll enjoy my GPS, MP3/Video player, video camera, flash support, open platform, games and much more for half the price. And you'll get a touch screen phone that can take notes and view half the internet. Oh, I'm sorry, you can connect it to your mac so you can share contacts...and bookmarks...and notes (?) What else, songs? Big deal. I don't want to sound cynical, I have a MacBook, an iMac, even two TAM's but this is just rediculous.
 
Virtualball said:
OK, I will. I'll enjoy my GPS, MP3/Video player, video camera, flash support, open platform, games and much more for half the price. And you'll get a touch screen phone that can take notes and view half the internet. Oh, I'm sorry, you can connect it to your mac so you can share contacts...and bookmarks...and notes (?) What else, songs? Big deal. I don't want to sound cynical, I have a MacBook, an iMac, even two TAM's but this is just rediculous.
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http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/like-the...vealed-its-actually-got-some-juice-261388.php

16gb, TV TUNER, wifi, GPS, FLASH, 3 megapixel Camera, Front camera for video... oh, and umm, for $450. syncing you say? ever hear of MissingSync? it syncs with the mac for everything from bookmarks, pics, music and all. so thats still not a good reason to support why its a $600 phone.

after knowing all of this, if the iphone would just include flash, java, and 3rd party apps, they would have another buyer, because i love apple that much and am brainwashed. but if they dont, apple is committing robbery! :)
 
That's too bad that the iPhone doesn't support flash, although basically only one of the sites I regular uses a lot of flash, so I wouldn't notice it too much. It would get rid of a lot of advertisement though :p.
 
Virtualball said:
Once again, don't give me that. A mobile mac should have more then address book, Safari, watered down quicktime and an awkward looking version of iTunes (can I even say that?) to be an ACTUAL Mac, it would need to be an OPEN PLATFORM or at least something other than "well it has developers! sorta. If you make something on the internet, you can view it on the iPhone!!!" Weak.
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ummmm... this ain't no mobile mac. it's an iphone! MBs and MBPs are mobile macs!

but i see your point. overall the iphone is disappointing, from tech specs to software. the only saving grace is probably the GUI.
 
LoganT said:
I think I'm going to buy the Asus EEE PC 701 now.

Display: 7"
CPU & Chipset: Intel mobile CPU & chipset
OS: Linux/ Microsoft Windows XP compatible
Communication: 10/100 Mbps Ethernet; 56K modem
WLAN: WiFi 802.11b/g
Graphic: Intel UMA
Memory: 512MB, DDR2-400
Storage: 4/ 8/ 16GB Flash
Webcam: 300K pixel video camera
Audio: Hi-Definition Audio CODEC; Built-in stereo speaker; Built-in microphone
Battery Life: 3hrs (4 cells: 5200mAh, 2S2P)
Dimension & Weight: 22.5 x 16.5 x 2.1~3.5cm, 0.89kg


Price: $200 (for the standard 4 GB one)

This was one of the things I liked most about the iPhone. I just want to be able to browse the web and watch youtube clips when I'm at someones house. So maybe I can save myself 400 dollars.

Picture:

Hopefully this doesn't sound like spam. I just got really excited when I saw this.
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that's one hell of a machine for $200! it's cheaper than a nano!
 
i'm not "into" the iPhone at all, so i haven't really been reading up on it... but isn't it up to Adobe to develop a plug-in for Safari on the iPhone? so maybe it's more Adobe's issues (but they are in the middle of releasing Creative Suite 3 now)... at any rate, i'm sure Flash will be on the iPhone eventually, eventhough it would have been a nice touch to see it initially... as for Java... well, my Safari browser on my computer has never run Java... i always get the coffee cup icon and that's it... it was the same on my old mac too... have to use Camino if i ever need to see Java online...
 
i still cant believe apple would do this. i'm going to the store when they come out to see for myself. i'm going to have some hope :) come on flash, come on picture text messages, come on instant messaging!
 
so...the iphone IS a watered down internet device after all...:mad:

no wonder apple name the 4th ad watered down..
 
Darkroom said:
as for Java... well, my Safari browser on my computer has never run Java... i always get the coffee cup icon and that's it... it was the same on my old mac too... have to use Camino if i ever need to see Java online...
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i don't usually use java when i go online either. but you see if the iphone supported java, chances of getting 3rd-party apps would be higher (even apple says 3-party apps aren't allowed).
 
Some people seem to be forgetting that Flash has never been a "part" of IE / FireFox / Safari. It is a separate application plugin written by Adobe. It could be Adobe not wanting to expend resources to support the iPhone (they've let their PocketPC version die on the vine as well). Also remember Adobe only recently bothered to get the current vesion of Flash running on Linux (which has many more users than the non-released iPhone) in any reasonable fashion.

Now- remember that Safari v3 on Macs /PCs has SVG support. SVG is a more open standard for vector graphics that Firefox also supports. This is a very capable area where browser vendors can acually implement themselves (which they *cannot* do with something proprietary like Flash)

Will Safari on iPhone support SVG? If so, I think that's something very positive...
 
Not even Flash Lite support. Bleh!

This is a bit of a bummer since it supposedly runs full desktop apps. I was really hoping for Flash 8+ support. Anyway, I'm sure this will be remedied shortly and we will see at least FL 2x support.

<]=)
 
Asar said:
this is horrible! and for the record, WINDOWS MOBILE DOES LOAD FLASH!!!!! i have the plug in! heres proof!

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_pocketpc/downloads/player.html

apple is really breaking my heart today. man, i'm seriously thinking of not wasting $600 on this phone now. this is nuts! a $99 Q has more features... come on steve! your killin' me here ...


"ranting" i know, but really, come on apple :(
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every day more reasons that the iphone is for suckers
 
Can someone please answer these simple questions.
1. Does AIM Express from aim.com use java or flash.
2. Does cbssportsline.com use java or flash for fantasy football.
 
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