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1.AIM express/Meebo wont work, without java or flash. Aim express uses java. so yeah, thats why its a big deal that apple straighten this out..
2. also java.


edit: proof aim express is java
http://www.aol.com.au/site/website/aolproducts/aim/express/sysreq.php

That's just not true. Neither AIM Express or Meebo require Java. The link you specify on the .au site is completely out dated.

You can turn off Java / Flash support in Safari or Firefox and use either service just fine.
 
:mad: i was gonna get the iphone the 29th but i won't get it right away now i will see couple of review first to decide whether i will get it or not
:mad: i think we should start a petition
 
Some people seem to be forgetting that Flash has never been a "part" of IE / FireFox / Safari. It is a separate application plugin written by Adobe. It could be Adobe not wanting to expend resources to support the iPhone (they've let their PPC version die on the vine as well). Also remember Adobe only recently bothered to get the current vesion of Flash running on Linux (which has many more users than the non-released iPhone) in any reasonable fashion.

Now- remember that Safari v3 on PCs has SVG support. SVG is a more open standard for vector graphics that Firefox also supports. This is a very capable area where browser vendors can acually implement themselves (which they *cannot* do with something proprietary like Flash)

Will Safari on iPhone support SVG? If so, I think that's something very positive...

It's up to Apple to implement the FL 2x, or FP7 SDK into the iPhone, not Adobe.

Flash has not died on the PocketPC. It runs F7, which is the latest player for non-standard OSs. This is the only area Adobe has yet to expand and you can bet it's on their list of things to do. Only Linux, OS X and Windows have access to the FP8+ SDKs. Adobe has also put quite a bit of energy into Flash Lite 2x, which is basically F7 optimized for mobile devices and their limitations. Windows Mobile runs FL, as does my Nokia. Most mobile devices are not capable of handling what Flash 8 and later offers.

Flash Player 7 was available for Linux. They bypassed FP8, but that really wasn't an issue since FP9 was made available shortly after Flash 8 was released. Adobe has put much energy into Linux. FP7 had major issues on that platform, so they focused on making sure that FP9 performed well on it. It has been Adobe's goal to get all 3 platforms up to par and they're almost to that point. This was no small feet and is needed for their whole AIR agenda. Why hasn't Apple released iTunes for Linux, or how about Safari? I know they're different, but still... Does Apple not want to expand their resources?

SVG has required a plug-in for browser like IE and Safari in the past. Oh, and BTW, Adobe helped to develop SVG. :p

Flash is proprietary, but Adobe keeps their standards quite open. FLEX is open source. ActionScript is open source.

Flash works 99.99999999% the same across all major browser that support it. This is simply "not" true for SVG, which isn't even close to reaching that level of compatibility. The .1% on Flash are things like missing mouse-wheel support on the Mac, but this is implementable via JS on the Mac side. I can't help the PC for missing bitmap font support,but that's an eh.

See for yourself;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(SVG)

As a plug-in, Flash has a major advantage over browser specific implementations of SVG by provided a consistent standard. And because big companies like Adobe are behind it, I'm privy to very power full development tools with lots of powerful features and a massive install base of users. I'll know more focus on developing for SVG instead of Flash, than I would to dump Photoshop in favor of GIMP. ;)

Anyway, the iPhone isn't even out yet, so I'm more than confident we will see some sort of Flash support shortly, along with the other features that will be missing at launch. Flash for phones is still new to the US market.

<]=)
 
Nokia supports Flash

Not that Windows Mobile or Palm load flash either.
At least, Nokia, the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world, supports Flash in their multimedia computers (as they call their smartphones). Adobe Flash Player typically comes with all the new Symbian phones with S60 (Nokia's UI).

My Nokia E65 runs Flash nicely. :p
 
I always block Flash on Camino and Firefox. I can't say I've ever missed it. There isn't a single web page that I haven't been able to use, and I don't have to watch all the annoying Flash ads.
 
I'm disappointed. I regularly watch Youtube Videos on my Wii and I'm really getting used to it (who needs an Apple TV ;)). I thought the time of devices that show content "kinda like the Internet" (iPhone-Ad) was over...
 
I'm not paying 600 dollars for watered down "real internet", notes, and iChat.

Now there's nothing for me in this phone. I REALLY wanted it, I have the money and was SO excited till today. Seriously what's the point? I feel like I've been lied to for 6 months.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Go get a simple phone. You'll be glad you're not worrying about it when it gets scuffed, dropped, nicked, etc.

Then take $350 and go buy the Nokia N800. I love mine - Flash support is limited but quite enough for browsing 99% of sites. The best aspect is all the free open source software you'll run for ebook reading, movie watching, net chatting, pdf viewing, GPS mapping, etc. I read or surf on it when not on the laptop and the text renderer is beautiful. Some drawbacks and niggles, but basically most of what you've been salivating about doing on the iPhone, I've been doing for nearly six months on my Nokia for much less and without an expensive data subscription (it's wifi).
 
This can easily be fixed by a software update rolled out in a matter of months.
 
Denial.

The iPhone's features suck because Apple is pandering to the demands of AT&T and other wireless providers.

It may, however, be possible to send SMS/AIM messages via a third-party application, even without Flash.

This has GOT to be the most "reaching for anything" denial I've seen in DAYS.

Windows Mobile Phones and PPCs HAVE FLASH...or at minimum Flash Lite. ATT has been selling phones that support this for *ages*...and you are going to blame them for this?

Good Lord people.
 
It's up to Apple to implement the FL 2x, or FP7 SDK into the iPhone, not Adobe.

Your post was great otherwise, but it's not up to Apple to implement any Flash players. Not for Flash Lite and not for regular Flash. Adobe allows you to make programs that produce Flash files, but player implementations are forbidden and would likely get sued.

Adobe's grip over Flash isn't entirely a bad thing. Every phone manufacturer using different versions (even different among their own phones) is where J2ME went wrong. Sun didn't want to make those implementations and now J2ME programs really should be tested and debugged on every possible phone. (Much more so than desktop Java.) I do this at work...

I also really wish iPhone had at least Flash Lite. Symbian S60 3rd Edition Feature Pack 1 *breathe* will be able to use the Flash Lite that's already on the phones to play Flash in the browser like with a plugin. Flash Lite 2.0 and 2.1 allow using most Flash 7 objects and Flash Lite 3.0 (coming out any day now?) will include at least FLV, so those would have Youtube working already. Apple could've done this. :/
 
This is positive news!

Now people can surf many internet pages without getting bothered by annoying ads, that hog all your system resources!
 
Flash-only websites suck, and the majority of flash content is adverts.

I sure don't want to be paying precious mobile data plan money on downloading a bulky flash advert whenever I go to a website.

Nor do I expect the iPhone to be able to handle Flash video, because the iPhone's hardware is optimised for h.264.

However I would like a Flash plugin to be available for all the other uses, but for it to be set to Click-First before downloading, like the Flashblock plugin for Firefox.
 
You know I'm glad the internet is not representative of the real world because if I went to my local BMW dealer and found a load of newbies who'd just learnt to drive, (and who who drove some other nasty brand of car), stood outside bitching off that the cup-holders in the new sports coupe they had NO intention of buying didn't take 1.5 litre bottles of Coke I'd be really annoyed...

The iphone is not yet released - I guarantee 100% that it will have missed a few key features but fortunately it's not like every other phone becuase it's a micro-computer running OSX and applications which means that the bits they missed can be developed and rushed out.

Why else do you think Leopard was pushed till October and NOT September because July's engineering time is going to be spent madly getting iphone running 100% and patching the odd oversight.
 
Don't worry guys, I'm sure Adobe can write a Flash plug-in for iPhone using AJAX and Web 2.0 technologies :rolleyes:

"Not the mobile internet...the REAL internet..."*




*DISCLAIMER: Flash isn't really on the internet. You never use it. Only microsoft.com uses flash, and you don't go there anyway.
 
I sure don't want to be paying precious mobile data plan money on downloading a bulky flash advert whenever I go to a website.

I assume you live in the US? No matter. Wherever you live, fixed price unlimited data is coming if not already there. US carriers just delay the inevitable. (I think some of them do have it, just not at reasonable prices.)

That said, I haven't even started my 10€/month unlimited data yet, but I'm surfing with the normal price (1.5€/Mbit here) and sometimes WLAN. Outside wireless networks I keep images (and, in the future, flash content) turned off unless I specifically need them not just for the sake of saving money but also browsing speed. Most normal western Internet pages are big enough as it is. This could work for you, too. (Or could have worked.)

HSDPA at 1-2 Mbit/s would be nice for browsing with images enabled. Too bad my current phone doesn't support that. :)
 
no flash = disappointment

it is a disappointment to me (tho i won't be able to buy an iPhone) to see that there isn't flash support. I'm writing apps in Flex (which generate a flash front end) and it would be awesome if they would run on the iPhone.

edit - for some reason, when i am entering my first post, every time i hit the space bar, the submit button is clicked here on macrumors. then i have to go to Edit my post because the only thing that was posted was my first word - is it only me? (no i'm not running safari 3).
 
er...anyone check the source?

I'm amazed there's 4 pages of ranting comments and no-one has stopped to question the source or authenticity of the story? It's extremely vague and adds nothing new. There has been no official word. How often are "rumors" on here wrong...

The two Jobs' quotes are from a Pogue interview ages ago. What is the new information? And where did it come from?

Say it's false: all you guys have just wasted your time discussing something based on empty conjecture. You guys and gals need to learn some healthy skepticism.
 
And I say, once again, go get a treo. This thing connects to your mac nativly. It builds itself into the apps you already use. So you can't write your own software. Chill out! Other phones are crashing like crazy because crappy developers cant write propper code. I would rather have a locked down working phone than a phone I can screw up. You want open source? Why even use OS X? Sure, you can write for it but would linux be even better? That is complete crap. You wont buy a phone because only the manufaturer can write for it? Enjoy your cheaper, poorly thought out phone running a generic OS that can be found on just about all other phones.

If it's down to synchronization with a Mac being the main reason to pay $600 for the iPhone, it's not worth it. Get any smartphone and a program called The Missing Sync. Works fine.

I have to believe that the iPhone upon release will be more compelling than this thread would lead one to think. We will see. I'm looking forward to the early reviews.
 
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