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It's software for your phone, not your right to life and liberty. This is just mind blowing. A company is fully within it's right to want it's users on the most recent software so they can focus their support for bugs and security.

It's mind boggling that this is an issue.
Its equally mind boggling that you cannot see it from the other side.

I'm already voting with my wallet, yet this precedent iOS has set still makes me rage.
 
Its equally mind boggling that you cannot see it from the other side.

I'm already voting with my wallet, yet this precedent iOS is setting still makes me rage.

I have a hard time seeing it from the side of the uneducated and ignorant consumer because I am not one. I take time to read about products I am buying or about software I upgrade to. I don't blindly do things and then take to the Internet to complain because I was a lazy consumer.
 
I have a hard time seeing it from the side of the uneducated and ignorant consumer because I am not one. I take time to read about products I am buying or about software I upgrade to. I don't blindly do things and then take to the Internet to complain because I was a lazy consumer.

This is about apple taking away common computer OS user rights. Still missing the big picture.
 
I have a hard time seeing it from the side of the uneducated and ignorant consumer because I am not one. I take time to read about products I am buying or about software I upgrade to. I don't blindly do things and then take to the Internet to complain because I was a lazy consumer.

Wow....just freaking wow.
 
I have a hard time seeing it from the side of the uneducated and ignorant consumer because I am not one. I take time to read about products I am buying or about software I upgrade to. I don't blindly do things and then take to the Internet to complain because I was a lazy consumer.

Can you predict everything? Can you predict some people felt motion sickness? There is always chance that the software does not work in the way you wish to be or not fit for someone. You can do all the research you want, but you cannot deny there is chance for the software goes wrong no matter no slim it seems to be.
 
I have a hard time seeing it from the side of the uneducated and ignorant consumer because I am not one. I take time to read about products I am buying or about software I upgrade to. I don't blindly do things and then take to the Internet to complain because I was a lazy consumer.

Again you keep focusing on the act of accepting or not accepting io7. There are things you would not know about io7 until trying it out. If you try it out and there is a problem and your road back is gone, that is the issue!!! If you had a reasonable window to try it out and revert then there is no problem...
Again think of the battery issue on the iphone 4. Only by downloading and trying it out would you really know about it...
 
Not a personal insult, just an observation. Nothing wrong with being an educated consumer, it's a slippery slope that no one is willing to take responsibility for their actions.

It isn't about taking responsibility for their action. If your statement stands, then why would Apple even want to give 14 day return?
 
Not a personal insult, just an observation. Nothing wrong with being an educated consumer, it's a slippery slope that no one is willing to take responsibility for their actions.

You must be right bro obviously everyone that thinks this is a hot topic is an idiot. Myself included.
 
Alright; this is where I bow out. Sorry guys. Good luck with your quest. Really mean no offense to anyone, just stating some opinions.
 
People are comparing MacRumor patrons to your average consumers. You're average consumer isnt browsing websites all day. If they see upgrade to ios7, they will just off reaction. If they don't like it, they should be ABLE to go back. Think of it like buying something at Best Buy..what if you bought a product and wanted to return it and they said "nope"?
 
There was no warning of such a drastic change. Like most unsuspecting consumers, I got a message on my equipment about an upgrade and I upgraded. Luckily I have warned others who have no idea that the product that they purchased is about to be altered in a huge way

You hadn't heard anything in the mainstream media about an iOS upgrade coming? I saw blurbs about it all over mainstream news sites in the days leading up to the release. Plus, you've been a MacRumors forum member since 2010 and it never crossed your mind to come take a look at all the discussion (complete with pictures) of iOS 7 before you upgraded?

I'm sorry you were ignorant of the changes that came with iOS 7. Maybe next time your iOS devices give you an upgrade prompt, before you touch "Upgrade", you should make use of the myriad of free resources at your disposal that will describe what to expect with said upgrade in obsessive detail.

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People are comparing MacRumor patrons to your average consumers. You're average consumer isnt browsing websites all day.

True, but unless you were living under a rock for the week prior to iOS 7's public release, it was hard not to hear about it. There were stories all over the mainstream press. The public didn't have to visit Mac/iOS enthusiast sites like MacRumors to know that it was going to look different than iOS 6.

Also, the OP has been a member of the MacRumors forums since 2010. If someone is a member of a forum like this and they don't make use of the free resources at their disposal, that's nobody's fault but their own.
 
In frustration at the policy I sank to throwing out terms like "sheep" while others called me"troll" or someone looking for attention who should go away. We were all wrong

But let's take the high road ... Yes we should take responsibility. But not everyone knows or follows software upgrades like you might. We should protect the average consumer who does not really know much about iOS 6 or 7, only that they purchased a product based on what they saw it could do, then received a message on the phone about some upgrade that looked like the manufacturer was recommending it. If they accept it and it has unforeseen consequences that ruins the product in their eyes, shouldn't they have a reasonable period of time to revert it to the product that they purchased, even if it is with the understanding that the old iOS
Will no longer be supported?

What you don't get as you continue to seek attention here was that you had a period of time to revert back after the official release. Not only that, but you had plenty of time before the release to read about it and even download the beta. Heck, you could have had the GM installed a week before everyone else and used that time to evaluate like others did.

Look, you didn't do your due diligence and now it's Apple's fault in your eyes. Take responsibility and OWN it.

Whining in this thread will get you absolutely nowhere.
 
What a needlessly solipsistic thread. As though anyone else is affected in any way by the original poster's personal perceived inconvenience.
 
Blah blah blah... 9 million iPhones sold the first weekend, the best weekend ever for Apple.

Nobody cares about iOS 6, it's not coming back, you don't like that, just buy some other phone and deal with it.

EDIT: Let me put that in dollars. 9,000,000 x $649.00 = $5,841,000,000 // That's close to 6 billion dollars in sales just for one weekend, yes, your movement is going places... :rolleyes:
 
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Blah blah blah... 9 million iPhones sold the first weekend, the best weekend ever for Apple.

Nobody cares about iOS 6, it's not coming back, you don't like that, just buy some other phone and deal with it.

EDIT: Let me put that in dollars. 9,000,000 x $649.00 = $5,841,000,000 // That's close to 6 billion dollars in sales just for one weekend, yes, your movement is going places... :rolleyes:

Wow so your value system is that a mega corporation made lots of money this weekend and somehow that reflects upon whether the policy of a two day window to revert is just or not. Amazing.... You are deep :). Corporations love exploiting people like you...
 
I bought my device based on what I wanted at the point of sale.
A combination of hardware and software.

I should have the right to use my device as I so wish, as its not apple or anyone for that matter who has the right to change the way my device works, looks or behaves without my permission.

If a company such as apple offer a free OS upgrade, then that is what it is ... A free os upgrade, and not an agreement for a OS plus licensing trade in.

When I purchased my device it included the software.
I paid for that software, and no one has the right to remove or replace it.
Unless its agreed. Since I paid for it, and I am the agreed owner of that piece of software.

As it stands right now, apple are not offering a free OS upgrade.
They are offering a OS trade in, labelled as an update.
But if the OS itself changes its name, then it is no longer an update but a new piece of software. Making Apples removal or possability to no longer allow sign original purchased software look like a felony. Given the owner had purchased it in good faith.
 
Wow so your value system is that a mega corporation made lots of money this weekend and somehow that reflects upon whether the policy of a two day window to revert is just or not. Amazing.... You are deep :). Corporations love exploiting people like you...

Three day window, just saying.
 
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