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They could watch the numerous hands on videos found with a simple search on YouTube and try to gauge reaction to owners of the same device on these very forums.

And experience also tells you that older devices, especially those on the lowest rung, will struggle performance wise.

Yup !

I also saw enough of iOS 7 and realized it wasn't for me in it's current form. Maybe it will get better or maybe it won't. The time for me to try iOS 7 is on Apple's dime. I'll order me an iPad 5 and if I like iOS 7 i'll keep it. If I don't like it goes back and that's the reason I'll give Apple.
 
The argument that Apple don't allow downgrades because of security updates sounds logical, but then why do they continue to sign some old firmwares? For example, on the 3GS you can still downgrade to iOS 4.

Apple still sign iOS 4 because it's as high you can go on the iPhone 3G and there are still people using it. If they'd stop signing iOS 4, it would be impossible to restore an iPhone 3G. They're strict, but they're not gonna kill the iPhone 3G :)

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Which is exactly why I showed a number of links showing that it was also shown and announced via the mainstream media. BBC, USA Today, and the Telegraph are all widely read news outlets which covered the story. Anyone going to the Apple website to get to the store had a button at the side announcing iOS7 and showing screenshots and demos.

Two of my most technologically incompetent friends also saw it.

Go to YouTube? For almost the whole of June there were 'youtube recommended' videos with demos of iOS7.

People knew it was coming. It wasn't that they hadn't announced it and it just appeared in the post!!

If you're not interested, you're not going to notice, reflect over and remember these things. It really is that simple.

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They could watch the numerous hands on videos found with a simple search on YouTube and try to gauge reaction to owners of the same device on these very forums.

And experience also tells you that older devices, especially those on the lowest rung, will struggle performance wise.

Are you allergic to understanding not everyone are interested, experienced and so on? You're like my cousin who can't understand why people would ever hire carpenters...
 
It would be nice to have a chice to choose to go back if someone wants to, no one likes things to be Forced up on them.
There is a lot of dissatisfied people out there, I wonder how long before this prictice bites apple in the ass!
 
It would be nice to have a chice to choose to go back if someone wants to, no one likes things to be Forced up on them.
There is a lot of dissatisfied people out there, I wonder how long before this prictice bites apple in the ass!

8 years and counting since the launch of the iPhone and we're still waiting for the Appleocolypse.
 
It would be nice to have a chice to choose to go back if someone wants to, no one likes things to be Forced up on them.
There is a lot of dissatisfied people out there, I wonder how long before this prictice bites apple in the ass!

Well it's not been any different for the past 6 years... And as I've said previously, the majority much prefer iOS 7.

Nothing was forced on anyone, you didn't have to update. Would you buy a phone without knowing about it? Buy a car without at least looking at it? No, so why say yes to an update when it's A. Been advertised and talked about on the net, and on apples website for a good few weeks/months and B. Not google it or use this forum to find info out first?!
 
Well it's not been any different for the past 6 years... And as I've said previously, the majority much prefer iOS 7.

Nothing was forced on anyone, you didn't have to update. Would you buy a phone without knowing about it? Buy a car without at least looking at it? No, so why say yes to an update when it's A. Been advertised and talked about on the net, and on apples website for a good few weeks/months and B. Not google it or use this forum to find info out first?!

Exactly, but looks like in apples case you take the car for a ride and it is sold, you have no option, you have no test/ return policy window.
Same reason I stopped buying apps., if it's free I'll use it, I don't like it it's removed.
Would be nice to have same option with software!!!
 
The great thing about iOS 7 is the numerous threads of people complaining about it. It seems IOS 7 gets more debate about issues or fanboys, than iOS 6
 
Wow so your value system is that a mega corporation made lots of money this weekend and somehow that reflects upon whether the policy of a two day window to revert is just or not. Amazing.... You are deep :). Corporations love exploiting people like you...

Yes, because almost everything is based on sales, that's how you show a company that you don't like it.

Blackberry launched OS 10 and guess what, it didn't sell, that showed them that people don't want that product.

People trash Walmart, every single day, and guess what, they keep selling mor and more, why should Walmart change.

If a new iPhone does so good, why would they change..

And that's a good business, to please the millions, not the ones.
 
Which is exactly why I showed a number of links showing that it was also shown and announced via the mainstream media. BBC, USA Today, and the Telegraph are all widely read news outlets which covered the story. Anyone going to the Apple website to get to the store had a button at the side announcing iOS7 and showing screenshots and demos.

Two of my most technologically incompetent friends also saw it.

Go to YouTube? For almost the whole of June there were 'youtube recommended' videos with demos of iOS7.

People knew it was coming. It wasn't that they hadn't announced it and it just appeared in the post!!
Sorry, but my parents and most of their friends didn't see much about it beyond just a mention that it was out. That's the average iPhone user. Not us, and not even our (younger) friends/generation.

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I doubt the average iOS user really cares.
The many many older ones some of whom now suddenly have more trouble reading things on the screen...yeah, they probably don't care, right?
 
It is a legal issue and applies to consumer laws of each country.

This issue is not technical, it is legal in nature. Here is my take:

Apple offer a Product (whether it is hardware + software or software only does not matter, it is still a Product to be sold OK?) which claims to perform a series of functions. These functions are marketed and advertised for the product. The product is offered for sale. You bought it based on those claims.

When one or more of those claims have changed (by Apple or any vendor), we have a problem of contractual nature. ie One party unilaterally changed the contract/agreement without the consent of the other party. We have a contractual dispute which needs to be resolved. Simple is it not ?!.

On this issue of not being allowed to "fallback" to the old version. The products original claims are no longer valid since the functions have changed. ie not what you initially agreed upon. Claim specifically is : backup feature of iTunes no longer function with IOS. Proof, it was intentionally removed by the vendor and can be proven to be so. This has deprived the consumer of a functionality which he.she enjoyed before. It breaks consumer laws of over 120 countries!!!.

If more complains to the consumer council is made, eventually the product CANNOT be sold!!!. No body is beyond the law.
The recent Anti-trust ebook case proves the point. Apple is incapable of understanding the law and has to be forced to do so by the Justice Department.
 
Everyone here is talking about "If you don't like it , why did you upgrade ?"

How the hell do people know about performance issues ( battery etc. ) without upgrading on their device ?
Clearly we can all predict unpredictable things like that from some news reports and YouTube videos (if you were to buy into what a bunch of people are trying to "sell" in this thread).
 
This issue is not technical, it is legal in nature. Here is my take:

Apple offer a Product (whether it is hardware + software or software only does not matter, it is still a Product to be sold OK?) which claims to perform a series of functions. These functions are marketed and advertised for the product. The product is offered for sale. You bought it based on those claims.

When one or more of those claims have changed (by Apple or any vendor), we have a problem of contractual nature. ie One party unilaterally changed the contract/agreement without the consent of the other party. We have a contractual dispute which needs to be resolved. Simple is it not ?!.
"Without the consent of the other part". Is iOS 7 installing by itself, without user interaction?

On this issue of not being allowed to "fallback" to the old version. The products original claims are no longer valid since the functions have changed. ie not what you initially agreed upon. Claim specifically is : backup feature of iTunes no longer function with IOS. Proof, it was intentionally removed by the vendor and can be proven to be so. This has deprived the consumer of a functionality which he.she enjoyed before. It breaks consumer laws of over 120 countries!!!.
I'm sorry, what? Which backup feature has been removed? I backed up my iPhone 5 with iOS 7 to iTunes a few hours ago.

If more complains to the consumer council is made, eventually the product CANNOT be sold!!!. No body is beyond the law.
The recent Anti-trust ebook case proves the point. Apple is incapable of understanding the law and has to be forced to do so by the Justice Department.
The product isn't sold at all, it's handed out for free to customers that have purchased certain devices.
 
Microsoft have always allowed downgrades, no matter the OS or the demand for it. I guess it is just a nice thing to offer if you're not ready to get used to the new OS. But unlike Apple, Microsoft supports its older software.

There are only an extremely small offering of consumer machines that MS offers the ability to choose windows 7 on now.
 
Did any of the people complaining read this??

Basically says that you "agree" on whatever Apple says, don't like it, don't hit agree.
 

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Really? Ever tried installing an older version of windows over a newer one? (No need to answer, it's obvious you haven't.)
As long as you have a licenced installation on disc or USB then it is quite easy. Back up your files and boot from your install medium.

XP is eleven years old. To put that in perspective compared to Apple, XP was released the same year OS X 10.0 Cheetah was released. Windows 7 was released the same year Snow Leopard. Microsoft have promised support for Windows 7 until 2020. Snow Leopard is on extended support at best, probably soon to be ditched with the release of Mavericks.
 
There was no warning of such a drastic change. Like most unsuspecting consumers, I got a message on my equipment about an upgrade and I upgraded. Luckily I have warned others who have no idea that the product that they purchased is about to be altered in a huge way

So the fact they announced iOS 7 AND provided all sorts of pictures and information on ALL the changes roughly 4 MONTHS before it was released doesn't constitute as "warning"?

You're whats wrong with society today. It all has to be spoon fed and when YOU don't do your homework YOU are the victim.....

Really is a shame. We live in a world of victims. No wonder our country is going to hell.

EDIT: Forgive me for not reading all 16 pages of comments - if this post is duplicitive, I apologize.
 
There are only an extremely small offering of consumer machines that MS offers the ability to choose windows 7 on now.

That doesn't stop people's older Windows installation discs from working. Nor does it stop people from buying one if they wish.
 
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But I AM like the majority of consumers who trust that an upgrade will not seriously alter the product the purchase... They certainly should be able to bring the product back to its previous state ... To not allow that tramples the rights of the consumer

When you do an update, there's a changelog that details the new features and changes that come with it. In the iOS 7 changelog, it mentions the new design. It also has a KB support article link. If you just took the time to read the warning then you might have not had this issue.

And how did Apple "trample" your rights as a consumer....? You hit the "update" button.
 
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