'Enable complicated mode' sounds like a feature designed to please 1% of the population...and could cause headaches for the other 99%. Won't ever happen.
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No going back to iOS 6 = no more Apple purchases! I'm starting a movement
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'Enable complicated mode' sounds like a feature designed to please 1% of the population...and could cause headaches for the other 99%. Won't ever happen.
Yeah, it's not like computers work that way. Pander to idiots and you breed a better idiot.
Apple are increasingly moving that way in their desktop OS too. The Library folder is now hidden unless you go looking for it so that you can't mess with it. If you buy a car, a lot of issues are with electrics, and you won't be fixing that unless you have the dealer software.
Stuff is becoming less and less user-accessible, and I think it's a good thing. There's less of a chance that you'll go poking around and break something. You can delete the system32 folder on a Windows machine and screw it up, but just try doing that on a Mac.
This isn't pandering to idiots, this is making it idiot-proof.
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I've skimread this topic because there are a lot of major flaws in this guys complaint.
I was using this Beta since Beta 1, the moment it was announced it was plastered everywhere, you've never been able to downgrade instead I'd have thought noticing a 1GB~ download would make you go, huh, that's a big update. The fact if you read the information about the update or even just a key few points you'd know it was a major overhaul, and the battery issue you're on about, may wanna go to Apple about that, my iPhone 5 and my parent's iPhone 4S have improved battery life since iOS 7.
Why would you keep a door open to downgrade, think about it iOS 7 has the iCloud lock mechanism for a lost phone, if they let you downgrade to a version before this support, that's a MAJOR security backdoor. They're protecting you and they provide phone and in-store support for your device to help troubleshoot issues like this, so please make use of them rather than getting your knickers in a twist and saying you aren't going to buy Apple. If you're thinking of going to Android as well, good luck with the unoptimized battery life for EVERYONE, I came from Android due to battery related flaws stemming from 2.1 and even on different devices on 4.2, they're still there!
Good day!
I've skimread this topic because there are a lot of major flaws in this guys complaint.
I was using this Beta since Beta 1, the moment it was announced it was plastered everywhere, you've never been able to downgrade instead I'd have thought noticing a 1GB~ download would make you go, huh, that's a big update. The fact if you read the information about the update or even just a key few points you'd know it was a major overhaul, and the battery issue you're on about, may wanna go to Apple about that, my iPhone 5 and my parent's iPhone 4S have improved battery life since iOS 7.
Why would you keep a door open to downgrade, think about it iOS 7 has the iCloud lock mechanism for a lost phone, if they let you downgrade to a version before this support, that's a MAJOR security backdoor. They're protecting you and they provide phone and in-store support for your device to help troubleshoot issues like this, so please make use of them rather than getting your knickers in a twist and saying you aren't going to buy Apple. If you're thinking of going to Android as well, good luck with the unoptimized battery life for EVERYONE, I came from Android due to battery related flaws stemming from 2.1 and even on different devices on 4.2, they're still there!
Good day!
I think it's less of a security problem than you think. First of all, who's to say that it would be possible to downgrade an iOS 7 device with Find my iPhone activated to iOS 6 any easier than it is to wipe it clean? And secondly, implementing the new security feature in, let's say 6.1.5, is most likely not impossible.
I get the reasoning behind why it's a bad thing to stay on an old version of iOS, but I also get the reasoning behind why it's ridiculous not to allow customers to downgrade if they want to. It's just one of those "iTunes-issues". Apple locking people in because... Because. You know?
I'd love to be able to downgrade my iPhone 3GS to iOS 3, use old versions of games optimised for iOS 3 and have the phone perform like it used to, instead of being stuck in the planned obsolescence scheme of Apple's. Wouldn't you?
I don't think that anyone here is trying to find answers about the mystery of life. or how to achieve happiness in life... We are just discussing a piece of software and why we think it is not good and how we think that it could be improved...
iOS 7 won't make or brake my life... But, this forum is called Macrumors and is here for discussions on all things Apple...
No need to go any deeper than that...
I don't think that anyone here is trying to find answers about the mystery of life. or how to achieve happiness in life... We are just discussing a piece of software and why we think it is not good and how we think that it could be improved...
iOS 7 won't make or brake my life... But, this forum is called Macrumors and is here for discussions on all things Apple...
No need to go any deeper than that...
Oh dear! Another missed point!
To clarify. The proverb was used to illustrate: "Simply stated, the OP made a mistake (Being charitable, lets say it's immaterial wether it was his fault or not!) and now, he's got to live with it because all the moaning and complaining is not going to make one one jot of difference!"
I'll be damned. the OP went back and edited his entire post and left out the part about leaving Apple and taking his friends with him. Oh well. Now he's playing the calm guy who is not happy with Apple's policies. Shows you how old this thread is as I read his original thread the day it was posted.
P.S. I do not have a comprehension problem. My comments were based on the original content of this thread.
"If I could change the title of this thread, it would be " let Apple know that not allowing a longer windows revert to a previous ios is hurting the consumer and alienating many previous Apple enthusiasts" - OP
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I don't even understand what you mean here.
I just wanted to drop in to this thread and see how the movement was shaping up. What did I miss?
I just wanted to drop in to this thread and see how the movement was shaping up. What did I miss?
Similarly to the movement I started after breakfast.
I just wanted to drop in to this thread and see how the movement was shaping up. What did I miss?
Sometimes a thread is too irresistible to pass up. I tune in once in awhile but have not joined the movement however one goes about doing that to begin with.
sudo rm -rf /Library = a dead mac. Sure it's hidden, but it won't stop someone who knows a enough about terminal to be dangerous.
And you can't delete any system files in Windows, unless your running windows 2000 (or older). Everything from XP on has system file protection. If you delete a system file it is immediately restored.
Precisely.
Are you sure that you and your parents haven't just been using it less since the update?
I think it says more that Apple didn't implement the feature until iOS 7. Think about it. Apple's decision to disallow downgrades was NOT motivated by a need to prevent phone theft, because it has been that way for years, and iOS 7 is a fairly recent thing. If it was so important to Apple, it would have been implemented in iPhone OS 1.
The best computer is one that you don't have to be taught how to use, but one that you already know how to use. I'm pretty sure there's a Steve Jobs quote to that effect too.
And a good day to you too.
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6 years, my dear. It's been 6 years.
Look bottom line is that Apple should give folks a couple of weeks (certainly not two days) from the date the update notice appears on their iPhones to evaluate and revert to the previous iOS if the user deems appropriate. It would go a long long way to alleviate Ill will, and especially in cases of major iOS changes, would ensure that users that are encountering problems can revert their phones to the product that they purchased. Beyond all, it is the right thing to do. How a corporation deals with such things reveals much about the organization. If they are so caught up in their internal enthusiasm about their efforts to improve their product that they are deaf to the consumer, then it will come back to bite them... .
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Imagine (windows users) if MS forced everyone from XP to Vista (release edition) and didn't allow you to go back. That'd have gone over well.
I don't understand what's in it for them. The iTunes issue someone pointed out is even more ridiculous. How dare we try to not use the latest version??
I know we don't "own" the software, but only the hardware. However, the hardware is locked to this single proprietary software, of which we cannot even deal with a problem that a software update produces.
It'd probably reduce their service and warranty claims, and make people happier.
I don't understand what's in it for them. The iTunes issue someone pointed out is even more ridiculous. How dare we try to not use the latest version??
I know we don't "own" the software, but only the hardware. However, the hardware is locked to this single proprietary software, of which we cannot even deal with a problem that a software update produces.
It'd probably reduce their service and warranty claims, and make people happier.
Imagine a user like you buying an iPhone 5s and not liking iOS 7 and then with your request in play downgrades it to iOS 6 which renders all the new features of the phone obsolete. Imagine the support calls and headaches.
Maybe Apple is trying to save you from yourself!
How exactly would you even imagine something that simply can't even exist (iPhone 5S running something under iOS 7)?Imagine a user like you buying an iPhone 5s and not liking iOS 7 and then with your request in play downgrades it to iOS 6 which renders all the new features of the phone obsolete. Imagine the support calls and headaches.
Maybe Apple is trying to save you from yourself!
Damn, I apologise for my previous scepticism then. This is pretty unacceptable then!
Of course I test drive a car before I buy it. But I do not expect the interior has been replaced after a repair.
Not really, it's more like you asked someone to replace your interior and didn't have a look at it before authorizing the work. Then when it was done, you didn't like it, and want them to put it back the way it was on their dime.
Neither of out analogies are spot on, but mine is much closer. You are just trying to defend your position and emotions. I get it, it's human. At some point however you need to look in the mirror and realize you made the decision and the responsibility rests on your shoulders. That said, I hope you win your battle.
On their dime? It costs nothing to keep signing iOS 6 for 1-2 weeks.
Unless you live near an Apple store, how are you supposed to be able to test before you commit to iOS 7? They only made it available in betas to developers, if you even know about it at all (most people don't).
One day, your device says it wants an update (which it's already downloaded perhaps), and like always, you press okay. Now, anything that goes wrong, it's too late. You can't go back.
Look around at how many bugs and design flaws you see people having. A 1-2 week reverting window wouldn't hurt Apple, but it sure would help its customers.
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