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No going back to iOS 6 = no more Apple purchases! I'm starting a movement
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If you have knowledge of the tiniest bits of maths you can go read the whole thread again... There are about 5 people like you cribbing like little kids and at least 20 people who tried explaining logic that they are content and this is apples way... If you don't like apples way no problem... Move on... Stop bitching like 6 year old girls... Be mature and realize that not everything happens the way you want... If you want to live a happy life there are compromises at every stage in life... But, well it is too much for spoilt kids like you of this generation to realize... You can run to the moderators and report this too... I really care a ****... I pity you though...
Massive by what standard? In the tech community, perhaps, but in the mass media, hardly even remotely close to massive or even big.
That even aside, how does press about something, preview sites about something, really translate to actual use experience with it (and more than just holding it and looking at a screen or two for a minute) for which there's no actual substitute?
Make you feel all smart calling people who have valid criticism kids? Maybe you should stop reading this thread if you don't care about it.
Stole this from another thread but thought that it applies to some (not all) of the arguments in this thread;
Man installs iOS 7 update without complaint
Man installs iOS 7 update without complaint
I don't understand why people get so mad/defensive when others get mad about an update and want to rollback.
As has often happened in this thread, you've missed j4zb4's point.
The old saying goes: "It's all part of life's rich pattern" As we go through life we have successes and failures. We make mistakes. When we do, we can't turn the clock back, we have to get on with life and live by experience and not make the same mistake again.
Simply stated, the OP made a mistake (Being charitable, lets say it's immaterial wether it was his fault or not!) and now, he's got to live with it because all the moaning and complaining is not going to make one one jot of difference!
That's a fact of life!
a couple of observations 
-when some people complain about beta software, others say "don't make a judgement based on the beta"; when it is released and some people still don't like it, others say "you're dumb, you should have realized that from the beta".
-there were a number of posters who might have encouraged hesitant adopters with claims that "screen shots on the web don't do it justice, it looks a lot better when you actually have it on your phone"
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1596601/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1624811/#post17757824
etc...
-ultimately, apple has always had a no-going-backwards approach to things. and truthfully, i think its more constructive to push them to fix or improve things going forwards, rather than roll back and inevitably run into legacy support issues.
-when some people complain about beta software, others say "don't make a judgement based on the beta"; when it is released and some people still don't like it, others say "you're dumb, you should have realized that from the beta".
-there were a number of posters who might have encouraged hesitant adopters with claims that "screen shots on the web don't do it justice, it looks a lot better when you actually have it on your phone"
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1596601/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1624811/#post17757824
etc...
-ultimately, apple has always had a no-going-backwards approach to things. and truthfully, i think its more constructive to push them to fix or improve things going forwards, rather than roll back and inevitably run into legacy support issues.
Let me explain the type of people we are dealing with:
1. The Normal Person:
This person has their reasons as to why they are leaving for Android, Windows Mobile or any other platform. They sell their phone, make the switch quietly and no one notices they are gone. They have enough common sense to know that they do not need to provide a reason for their departure to an Internet Forum.
2. The Drama Queen:
This person wants to make sure EVERYONE knows they are leaving. They go out of their way to give a laundry list of reasons why they are leaving. A discussion goes on and on for pages with the absence of the Drama Queen.
- The people who don't agree with the OP are labeled Apple Fanboys or Kool-Aid drinkers.
As you can tell...this is the Drama Queen thread...How can you tell? The title says "I'm starting a movement!".
I think Apple should always leave the last point update of the last OS version open.
Example:
Keep 6.1.3 open indefinitely for iPhone 5 and below.
Keep 5.1.1 open indefinitely for iPhone 4S and below.
Keep iOS 4.3.5 open indefinitely for iPhone 4 and below... and so on.
Example:
Keep 6.1.3 open indefinitely for iPhone 5 and below.
Keep 5.1.1 open indefinitely for iPhone 4S and below.
Keep iOS 4.3.5 open indefinitely for iPhone 4 and below... and so on.
Let me explain the type of people we are dealing with:
1. The Normal Person:
This person has their reasons as to why they are leaving for Android, Windows Mobile or any other platform. They sell their phone, make the switch quietly and no one notices they are gone. They have enough common sense to know that they do not need to provide a reason for their departure to an Internet Forum.
2. The Drama Queen:
This person wants to make sure EVERYONE knows they are leaving. They go out of their way to give a laundry list of reasons why they are leaving. A discussion goes on and on for pages with the absence of the Drama Queen.
- The people who don't agree with the OP are labeled Apple Fanboys or Kool-Aid drinkers.
As you can tell...this is the Drama Queen thread...How can you tell? The title says "I'm starting a movement!".
Yea, like leaving Apple econ system is such a proud thing like getting noble price.
I'm going to take this initiative a step further and demand:
Apple allows downgrade ability for those iOS 6 versions that can be jailbroken (6.0-6.1.2) so if people want to have their cake and eat it too, with performance and battery life same as before the update and making the changes they want to make and adding the features they want to add.
and/or
Release every firmware iteration in two IPSWs, one sandboxed to hell which the majority of the public seems to have no issue with, and the other root friendly. Because what if iOS 7 never gets jailbroken since the process to find a jailbreak can be lengthy, as demonstrated with the wait between iPhone 5 release and evasi0n just after the Super Bowl? It sounds like iOS 7 jailbreak will happen too but just theoretically if it didn't: Where will they steal their ideas from then? All while letting the gap with competition get even bigger???
Either way iOS 7 was bound to be problematic for being 'radically different' (though in my opinion not), when 1.0-6.1.4 look the same from the dawn of iPhone, nobody should be surprised it's going to be a divided topic.
I also find it odd how many people now HATE skeumorphism when just last year, and all the years before, defended it as a signature part of iPhone OS design (and later, iOS) and that when there was an onslaught of yawns over how iOS 6 was largely the same as 5, change wasn't needed because it was the perfect formula more or less. I think the standard Apple fanboy response would be: I like skeumorphism, nothing wrong with it, but I also like the refresh. Something to that effect as opposed to writing it all off and pretending like iOS and the features one should love has finally begun with 7.0 :/
..But honestly, I would love the ability to downgrade, always have. I think they do it so that adoption rates for iOS are high, and less fragmentation. But inevitably, this created a fork.. I'm apprehensive of updating to 7 even when jailbreak is available for these reasons (reduced performance, battery life). My battery life, even with 80+ tweaks on my phone is great in addition to being bug free.
I might just wait it out for iPhone 6 before taking the leap with a new iOS. Not sure yet.
The worst part is the constant reminders of a software update. Even people who have no desire to update may one day hit the button in their slumber and screw the pooch.
Apple allows downgrade ability for those iOS 6 versions that can be jailbroken (6.0-6.1.2) so if people want to have their cake and eat it too, with performance and battery life same as before the update and making the changes they want to make and adding the features they want to add.
and/or
Release every firmware iteration in two IPSWs, one sandboxed to hell which the majority of the public seems to have no issue with, and the other root friendly. Because what if iOS 7 never gets jailbroken since the process to find a jailbreak can be lengthy, as demonstrated with the wait between iPhone 5 release and evasi0n just after the Super Bowl? It sounds like iOS 7 jailbreak will happen too but just theoretically if it didn't: Where will they steal their ideas from then? All while letting the gap with competition get even bigger???
Either way iOS 7 was bound to be problematic for being 'radically different' (though in my opinion not), when 1.0-6.1.4 look the same from the dawn of iPhone, nobody should be surprised it's going to be a divided topic.
I also find it odd how many people now HATE skeumorphism when just last year, and all the years before, defended it as a signature part of iPhone OS design (and later, iOS) and that when there was an onslaught of yawns over how iOS 6 was largely the same as 5, change wasn't needed because it was the perfect formula more or less. I think the standard Apple fanboy response would be: I like skeumorphism, nothing wrong with it, but I also like the refresh. Something to that effect as opposed to writing it all off and pretending like iOS and the features one should love has finally begun with 7.0 :/
..But honestly, I would love the ability to downgrade, always have. I think they do it so that adoption rates for iOS are high, and less fragmentation. But inevitably, this created a fork.. I'm apprehensive of updating to 7 even when jailbreak is available for these reasons (reduced performance, battery life). My battery life, even with 80+ tweaks on my phone is great in addition to being bug free.
I might just wait it out for iPhone 6 before taking the leap with a new iOS. Not sure yet.
The worst part is the constant reminders of a software update. Even people who have no desire to update may one day hit the button in their slumber and screw the pooch.
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OP, while you may not like the changes that are in place this is the way that Apple has chosen to make their products work. You are free to not buy them, no one has forced you to purchase Apple products, you are free to use any phone you feel like.
The reason that Apple has decided to not allow downgrading is most likely to prevent OS fragmentation, which makes it much easier for developers to build apps If a developer knows that the majority of users are all on a single OS it's makes it more attractive to them to code for new features and not feel like they have to make an app compatible with a giant range of OS's in order to reach the most users.
Technology should advance, changes should be made, things should't be left stagnant because some people may dislike it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion including you. Mine is that people should give iOS 7 a month of solid use before making judgements. My guess is that after a month of use, you'll have forgotten what iOS 6 was like.
The reason that Apple has decided to not allow downgrading is most likely to prevent OS fragmentation, which makes it much easier for developers to build apps If a developer knows that the majority of users are all on a single OS it's makes it more attractive to them to code for new features and not feel like they have to make an app compatible with a giant range of OS's in order to reach the most users.
Technology should advance, changes should be made, things should't be left stagnant because some people may dislike it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion including you. Mine is that people should give iOS 7 a month of solid use before making judgements. My guess is that after a month of use, you'll have forgotten what iOS 6 was like.
Let me explain the type of people we are dealing with:
1. The Normal Person:
This person has their reasons as to why they are leaving for Android, Windows Mobile or any other platform. They sell their phone, make the switch quietly and no one notices they are gone. They have enough common sense to know that they do not need to provide a reason for their departure to an Internet Forum.
2. The Drama Queen:
This person wants to make sure EVERYONE knows they are leaving. They go out of their way to give a laundry list of reasons why they are leaving. A discussion goes on and on for pages with the absence of the Drama Queen.
- The people who don't agree with the OP are labeled Apple Fanboys or Kool-Aid drinkers.
As you can tell...this is the Drama Queen thread...How can you tell? The title says "I'm starting a movement!".
Umm, no one here is advocating leaving for Android, not even the OP is. And why should we? Just because we don't agree with something that Apple does?
But clearly, there are people with reading comprehension and/or selection bias and then there are people with no such issues.
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I am also free to keep my Apple phone (many aspects of which I DO like) and express valid criticisms on public forums such as this one, thank you very much.
The point about fragmentation is not really valid as there are many people still on previous OS's and devs are still and will be supporting those.
Also, if there was an option for rollback majority of those who upgrade would remain on iOS7 seeing as they wouldn't even know how to roll back or they wouldn't care.
And if not? Should we not get the option to roll back after said month of solid use?
The appeal of Apple is the software. You can have the greatest phone in the world but if it doesn't have good software it will suck. The one place Apple can't afford to do something wrong is in its software. iOS is not great it is a subpar Apple product based on how I define a Apple product. I switched to Apple for the software but now I have to make my own decision because my phone is hindered by bad software.
This is just my opinion and if it works for you I am happy that you enjoy it. No point in bashing people or starting a movement because I suspect most people are adults on here and will make their own decisions. Pages and Pages of going back and forth for what.. someone who has a different opinion on what a good OS should be. The world is full of choices for a reason..
This is just my opinion and if it works for you I am happy that you enjoy it. No point in bashing people or starting a movement because I suspect most people are adults on here and will make their own decisions. Pages and Pages of going back and forth for what.. someone who has a different opinion on what a good OS should be. The world is full of choices for a reason..
One of the things I admire about Apple is their willingness to abandon legacy quickly and effectively.
I think iPad most of all should have roll back ability.
Seems like the development on iOS 7 for iPads got a late start and tossed under the bus.
My iPad 3 will never touch it.
Seems like the development on iOS 7 for iPads got a late start and tossed under the bus.
My iPad 3 will never touch it.
I feel for you! Even though I had the beta on my phone before release, I waited with the iPad 3. Then I updated and now my iPad is almost unusable! So slow and sluggish and full of bugs. The iPhone doesn't get off the power cord. And the worst is that my dad, who is had to convince to get an iPad for years, who finally got his to Christmas and loved it, updated just like you without knowing what was waiting for him and he's now very frustrated about the slow performance and the ugly UI just as many many customers I expect.
What really frustrates me is the way how apple tries to shut down frustrates customers by stopping them from downgrading, so in their next keynote, they can claim how many customers have upgraded to 7 and looooove it..
Yach!
I've always thought it would be great if Apple added a page in the settings app where putting in a combination of your device password, a hash based on some hardware code in the device (MAC address for example) - this would be to prevent accidental activation - that would then allow installation of unsigned apps.
I stay with iOS because I believe the combination of apps AND a jailbreak gives me the best device for my needs. Why should Apple care what I put on my phone? They're a hardware company, they need to get over themselves.
Because they're a software company. If you install some unsigned apps, they might end up draining the battery and you'll have a bad time. Easier to just not allow them at all. Buy an android if you want to install whatever you like, that's what that platform is for.
And what happens at the end of that Month if you decide you don't like it?
Yes you probably guessed it, your stuck with it. Apple should allow you to downgrade it's a simple as that.
Luckily I stayed on iOS 6, I may one day upgrade to 7 when all the bugs are ironed out but at present I am quite happy with the look and feel of 6.
And they are definitely going to have to alter the music app to entice me to 7.
They made a right pigs ear of that.
No going back to iOS 6 = no more Apple purchases! I'm starting a movement
Why do you think I suggested more than just a simple settings slider? You switch on the option to forgo sandboxing and understand the consequences.
I don't want to switch to Android, I want to use the phone and apps I've already bought. When I bought it there was no silly forcing a restore to the latest OS.
They only make software to facilitate selling their hardware. If they were a software company we could run OSX on hardware not built by Apple, also the iOS apps would be better, iOS apps are usually the bare minimum they need to be. All of the Apple apps on my phone are sat in a folder on my last screen, if they're a software company they need to up their game.
Why do you think I suggested more than just a simple settings slider? You switch on the option to forgo sandboxing and understand the consequences.
I don't want to switch to Android, I want to use the phone and apps I've already bought. When I bought it there was no silly forcing a restore to the latest OS.
They only make software to facilitate selling their hardware. If they were a software company we could run OSX on hardware not built by Apple, also the iOS apps would be better, iOS apps are usually the bare minimum they need to be. All of the Apple apps on my phone are sat in a folder on my last screen, if they're a software company they need to up their game.
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