No going back to iOS 6 = no more Apple purchases! I'm starting a movement

[darngooddesign]

Apple shold let us roll back, atleast to the previous version. Weak devices are pretty much bricked with some of their OS updates.

I have two first generation iPads that are barely usable due to iOS5 and my daughters iphone 4 is pretty much bricked due to iOS7.

When Apple pushes an update, one should be able to trust that they only allow that update on to devices that are poweful enough. As thats not the case, they need to allow people to downgrade rather than leave them with slow and unresponsive devices.

Maybe the iPad1, but I know for a fact that iOS6 ran solidly and quickly on my iPad 2. And since you know how older devices are affected by newer OSes, specifically your iPad 1, why did you upgrade the iPhone 4 to iOS7 until you were sure how it ran?

Of course had they restricted 7 to just the 4S, people would be accusing Apple of just trying to force them to buy new devices.

 

[CB1234]

Im not looking for an apology from you. Nor from apple for that matter. The point is, you and I clearly dont have the same definition of "fine". And by the looks of this thread, a lot of people arent happy. Is a roll-back feature to much to ask? (well apparantly it is... shouldnt be though)

Don't overestimate your argument, I am not apologizing to you, I am simply sorry for your predicament. I am only stating that my devices are fine and I have no gripes with apple...

"A lot of people" is a subjective term - not all the people who are happy with iOS 7 will come here to post their experience. Only unhappy ones, which is understandable. That doesn't mean majority are unhappy with it...

Anyway, each one to their own ehh...

I am happy as long as 'the movement' continues to gain momentum...

 

[SakuraSuki]

Maybe the iPad1, but I know for a fact that iOS6 ran solidly and quickly on my iPad 2. And since you know how older devices are affected by newer OSes, why did you upgrade your iPhone 4 to 7 until you were sure how it ran?

Of course had they restricted 7 to just the 4S, people would be accusing Apple of just trying to force them to buy new devices.

The problem is there is no way to know how well iOS 7 will run on my phone without install it first. Hearing from other people really does not reflect this matter. You need install on your particular devices first. You should able to downgrade if you dislike it.

 

[darngooddesign]

The problem is there is no way to know how well iOS 7 will run on my phone without install it first. Hearing from other people really does not reflect this matter. You need install on your particular devices first. You should able to downgrade if you dislike it.

While this is true, since there are a lot of people who say it runs fine on their 7 its quite possible that you need to restore your phone.

 

[MozMan68]

"pretty much bricked?" Give me a break. The issue is obviously not iOS7 since millions of iPhone 4 users (including my wife) upgraded and use it every day without a single issue.

Considering most folks can upgrade to a newer phone (4S) for nearly ZERO cost and not much more for a 5C, I don't think it is too much for a company to expect you to upgrade your hardware every 3 years so they don't have to maintain two separate operating systems and outdated apps.

 

[SakuraSuki]

While this is true, since there are a lot of people who say it runs fine on their 7 its quite possible that you need to restore your phone.

I am glade you see the point. Restore does not always solve the problem. You know how well iOS 6 runs on your device, restores back to iOS 6 is always the softest way to go.

 

[darngooddesign]

Considering most folks can upgrade to a newer phone (4S) for nearly ZERO cost and not much more for a 5C, I don't think it is too much for a company to expect you to upgrade your hardware every 3 years so they don't have to maintain two separate operating systems and outdated apps.

I agree that most people upgrade every two years, but this is probably an example of the 4 being handed down to his daughter. No reason not to do that.

 

[sracer]

A company "jumps the shark" when they produce something that can't stand on its own but must be supported and propped up by their fans. It's not the end for that company, but it's the beginning of the beginning of the end. The decline in quality and customer satisfaction is slight and grows quietly but gains momentum... by the time it is noticeable and acknowledged by the company and fans alike, it is too late.

In my opinion, in the iOS arena iOS7 and the mess it caused with software and hardware compatibility are such points. I don't expect more than a handful of people to agree, that's the nature of this thing.

"Just go with the Apple flow" works when the results are smooth trouble-free operation for the user, and when there is a concerted effort to resolve issues for those who aren't experiencing that trouble-free operation.

Apple may feel that they are too big to be concerned, but that is what every company who was once on top felt before the begin of a downward descent.

 

[MozMan68]

I agree that most people upgrade every two years, but this is probably an example of the 4 being handed down to his daughter. No reason not to do that.

True..but iOS7 works fine on the 4. If he was handing it down to his daughter, one would think the phone would be completely reset and cleared actually making it a perfect candidate for iOS7 to run as smoothly as possible.

 

[darngooddesign]

A company "jumps the shark" when they produce something that can't stand on its own but must be supported and propped up by their fans. It's not the end for that company, but it's the beginning of the beginning of the end. The decline in quality and customer satisfaction is slight and grows quietly but gains momentum... by the time it is noticeable and acknowledged by the company and fans alike, it is too late.

Its impossible to have a real conversation on this matter because people who like 7 are said to just be supporting/propping it up because they are fans.

 

[CB1234]

A company "jumps the shark" when they produce something that can't stand on its own but must be supported and propped up by their fans. It's not the end for that company, but it's the beginning of the beginning of the end. The decline in quality and customer satisfaction is slight and grows quietly but gains momentum... by the time it is noticeable and acknowledged by the company and fans alike, it is too late.

In my opinion, in the iOS arena iOS7 and the mess it caused with software and hardware compatibility are such points. I don't expect more than a handful of people to agree, that's the nature of this thing.

"Just go with the Apple flow" works when the results are smooth trouble-free operation for the user, and when there is a concerted effort to resolve issues for those who aren't experiencing that trouble-free operation.

Apple may feel that they are too big to be concerned, but that is what every company who was once on top felt before the begin of a downward descent.

Just to put it in perspective...

Tim Cook said that in the first weekend of iOS 7's release, 200 million had downloaded it, which in percentage terms was 54% of iphone/iPad/iPod users. Today if you check on www.mixpanel.com the total % download of iOS 7 is at nearly 70%, which I think would roughly equate to 300 million+ users.

Compare that to macrumors users complaining about iOS 7 - to be extremely generous lets assume 30,000 are unhappy with iOS 7 - which would equate to 0.01%!!!!! And this is on extremely generous side....

Also out of these 30,000 complainants, a lot of the issues faced are quite trivial (lags, etc) which I am sure would be resolved with updates coming in future. So the figure should further dwindle down to let's say for example 15,000 !!!

Do you not think apple will gain more then 15,000 new customers this year?

Big companies, if they indeed have made a mistake, will pull it back and get it right. Coke springs to mind...

Every company makes mistakes, not that I am suggesting iOS 7 is a mistake. One mistake doesn't bring down a huge cash rich company, with a good core product as Apple's.

What will bring Apple down is if they stop innovating, and iOS 7 is an innovation, whether you like it or not...

I am sorry but I do not buy your argument.

 

[sracer]

Its impossible to have a real conversation on this matter because people who like 7 are said to just be supporting/propping it up because they are fans.

If that is what you took away from what I posted then level of defensiveness is sad.

 

[darngooddesign]

If that is what you took away from what I posted then level of defensiveness is sad.

And you just turned a discussion into an attack. Hence the inability to have a mature discussion.

"A company "jumps the shark" when they produce something that can't stand on its own but must be supported and propped up by their fans."

My response was that someone who likes it is not necessarily propping it up because they are a fan.

 

[Nanasaki]

Just to put it in perspective...

Tim Cook said that in the first weekend of iOS 7's release, 200 million had downloaded it, which in percentage terms was 54% of iphone/iPad/iPod users. Today if you check on www.mixpanel.com the total % download of iOS 7 is at nearly 70%, which I think would roughly equate to 300 million+ users.

Compare that to macrumors users complaining about iOS 7 - to be extremely generous lets assume 30,000 are unhappy with iOS 7 - which would equate to 0.01%!!!!! And this is on extremely generous side....

Also out of these 30,000 complainants, a lot of the issues faced are quite trivial (lags, etc) which I am sure would be resolved with updates coming in future. So the figure should further dwindle down to let's say for example 15,000 !!!

Do you not think apple will gain more then 15,000 new customers this year?

Big companies, if they indeed have made a mistake, will pull it back and get it right. Coke springs to mind...

Every company makes mistakes, not that I am suggesting iOS 7 is a mistake. One mistake doesn't bring down a huge cash rich company, with a good core product as Apple's.

What will bring Apple down is if they stop innovating, and iOS 7 is an innovation, whether you like it or not...

I am sorry but I do not buy your argument.

I am sorry, but your argument is extremely weak.

iOS 6 has similar situation where very high adoption rate, probably higher than iOS 7 at same period of time. And similarly, very few people complain if you simply look at numbers as you did in this post. iOS 6 is flop, no question about it. So simply playing number game isn't really show anything, it doesn't show the picture of iOS 7.

Lots of people simply don't write stuff online. So you really can't take MacRumors forum as reality. There are probably a lot more people who aren't happy with iOS 7, but they simple do not care or do not complain online.

And there is nothing innovative about iOS 7. NONE, ZERO!

 

[639051]

This thread is hilarious. Always a load of cry babies that cannot learn to change. I know of grandparents doing less whining about the new look and feel.

 

[CB1234]

I am sorry, but your argument is extremely weak.

iOS 6 has similar situation where very high adoption rate, probably higher than iOS 7 at same period of time. And similarly, very few people complain if you simply look at numbers as you did in this post. iOS 6 is flop, no question about it. So simply playing number game isn't really show anything, it doesn't show the picture of iOS 7.

Lots of people simply don't write stuff online. So you really can't take MacRumors forum as reality. There are probably a lot more people who aren't happy with iOS 7, but they simple do not care or do not complain online.

And there is nothing innovative about iOS 7. NONE, ZERO!

iOS 6 is a flop??? Ok.....

 

[darngooddesign]

This thread is hilarious. Always a load of cry babies that cannot learn to change. I know of grandparents doing less whining about the new look and feel.

I know right. How on earth did these people ever learn how to type.

iOS 6 is a flop??? Ok.....

I think he meant to say iOS7, but that would require proof and some people bitching on MacRumors is not proof.

 

[CB1234]

This thread is hilarious. Always a load of cry babies that cannot learn to change. I know of grandparents doing less whining about the new look and feel.

That's the reason, we need to bump it up..... Keep the amusement going....

 

[Nanasaki]

iOS 6 is a flop??? Ok.....

iOS 6 is not a flop by your standard?

First of all, iOS 6 brings nothing new in the table. At least iOS 7 has new UI and control centre.

Second: most new features that heavily focused on was flop. In particular: Apple Maps and PassBook.

Third: Terrible battery performance and wifi issue. Apple has to create separate updates for different devices to fix these issue.

Yeah, by every standard, iOS 6 was a flop.

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This thread is hilarious. Always a load of cry babies that cannot learn to change. I know of grandparents doing less whining about the new look and feel.

And yet, loads of people complaining Windows 8 changes... How wonderful.. And seems majority people here think Windows 8 is a flop...Double standard to the extreme

 

[CB1234]

iOS 6 is a flop??? Ok.....

Lots of people simply don't write stuff online. So you really can't take MacRumors forum as reality. There are probably a lot more people who aren't happy with iOS 7, but they simple do not care or do not complain online.

More then the people who do not come online to complain, there are far far greater number of people who are happy with iOS 7 and who WOULDN'T come here to claim that.....

I can only go by facts, and estimate the amount of people complaining on MR. Out in the real world, bob's your uncle as they say......

I am sorry, but your argument is weaker then mine....

 

[darngooddesign]

Apple has to create separate updates for different devices to fix these issue.

Apple has to create separate updates because they are separate devices. This has nothing to do with whether its an update. For example, the iOS3 install package was different for the iPhone, Phone 3G, iPhone 3GS and iPod Touch. Its not a universal file and has nothing to do with your considering iOS6 a flop.

 

[CB1234]

iOS 6 is not a flop by your standard?

First of all, iOS 6 brings nothing new in the table. At least iOS 7 has new UI and control centre.

Second: most new features that heavily focused on was flop. In particular: Apple Maps and PassBook.

Third: Terrible battery performance and wifi issue. Apple has to create separate updates for different devices to fix these issue.

Yeah, by every standard, iOS 6 was a flop.

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And yet, loads of people complaining Windows 8 changes... How wonderful.. And seems majority people here think Windows 8 is a flop...Double standard to the extreme

You Sir, are starting a real movement. I must say I am impressed......

 

[Nanasaki]

More then the people who do not come online to complain, there are far far greater number of people who are happy with iOS 7 and who WOULDN'T come here to claim that.....

I can only go by facts, and estimate the amount of people complaining on MR. Out in the real world, bob's your uncle as they say......

I am sorry, but your argument is weaker then mine....

Taking MacRumor as reality is laughable... Don't you see the high fanboyism in this forum? If you think MacRumor is the reality, then I think China is democracy. R

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Apple has to create separate updates because they are separate devices. This has nothing to do with whether its an update. For example, the iOS3 install package was different for the iPhone, Phone 3G, iPhone 3GS and iPod Touch. Its not a universal file and has nothing to do with your considering iOS6 a flop.

The reason apple need to push update because the terrible battery performance and wide spread of wifi problem. You forget to look at the root of the problem.

Regardless of the update, key features of iOS 6 were major flop. Apple Maps is the best example and there really isn't any usefulness of PassBook thus far. Yeah... iOS 6 was a flop...

 

[639051]

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And yet, loads of people complaining Windows 8 changes... How wonderful.. And seems majority people here think Windows 8 is a flop...Double standard to the extreme

I use Windows 8 on my home PC, I firmly believe it is a flop. However, the changes to each are vastly different.

Microsoft forced change on desktop users just for the sake of change. On a non touch device, the UI makes no sense at all. I've had to install one of the countless start button replacements to get back to the faster way of doing things. The new UI is fantastic for touch devices ..

The new UI on iOS7 really isn't that new. Besides a new skin, it mostly works just as it did before but with the underpinnings being better.

 

[CB1234]

Taking MacRumor as reality is laughable... Don't you see the high fanboyism in this forum? If you think MacRumor is the reality, then I think China is democracy. R

Is my English really that poor????

I am counting number of complains AGAINST IOS 7 on MR, which is far greater then people happy with iOS 7. Where does fanboy come into all this??

Ok Sir, I concede defeat to ' the movement '.... I will go back to the minority of people happy with iOS 7....

Have a good day.....