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It's $79 AUD and personally I reckon each app alone is worth that. So even if I only used one app (i use them all), it'd be worth it. And I've just placed my order.

If I buy it only once a year (rather than every time they upgrade), I'm more than happy to pay $79 - and I certainly don't have money laying around waiting to be spent.

It's dirt cheap.

One of the drawbacks of the Linux and internet revolutions has been so many people expect everything for free.
 
Originally posted by centauratlas
I haven't seen a problem with it and I've used it to make about 25-30 DVDs.

But, if it sucked, why not use different software? Afterall, you got it for "free" as everyone complaining has repeatedly said, so no loss.
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I suggest you people visit Apple's own discussion forums and read about the serious issues MANY users are experiencing with iMovie and iDVD. If you're not having issues, consider yourself lucky.
 
Originally posted by amberashby
I've been holding off my new iBook purchase until today. Didn't get the price drop I had hoped for, but since Steve says iLife 04 will be free with a new Mac if I order today will I get some sort of certificate for a free upgrade?
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You'll qualify for their "up-to-date" program. Not entirely free, since you'll have to pay for shipping, which is $19.95. Not the best deal, but at least they are consistent -- that's what they charged to ship Panther as part of its up-to-date program.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/

EDIT: Since iLife 04 is supposed to be available next week (IIRC), you might just hold off a week on your order.
 
Originally posted by jouster
This is bait and switch at its worst. It is the sort of slimy practice favored by those companies you see being exposed on early evening TV shows.
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So are they supposed to anounce theyre going to anounce new software before hand? If you buy a 2003 model car the day before the 2004 comes out they dont say "we know you just bought an '03 but since the '04 just came out well give it to you for free"
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
Aren't you a pissy one.
Cry all you might, it won't change the fact that it still costs $49 bucks.

For me thats only $29 bucks.

Thats with my gov. or edu. discount.
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The guy said I didn't need the updates so I shouldn't care. I explained why I should care.

Oh, and for me, that's $0. One way or another.
 
Re: Re: Enough

Originally posted by QCassidy352
I use macs because they are superior to the competition. And I pay a premium for doing so. Pointing out that a Mac is NO WORSE than the competition is not much of an argument. I know that Rio/ MS/ Dell etc. suck. If Apple is going to be the same way, why would I pay more to own one?
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If you don't like to pay for technology why the hell did you even buy a computer at all? Nothing is free because eventually we all pay for it in some form or fashion.
 
I like the looks of the new iLife package - and I’m especially anxious to give GarageBand a try.

Yes, it’s probably going to cost me $3,500 plus, Canadian, before I get iLife 4, but then it’ll come with a new 20” G5 iMac. Woo hooo!! (Now, I just have to wait for the new iMac to actually appear, and THEN I can do the upgrade.)
 
Originally posted by Torajima
I suggest you people visit Apple's own discussion forums and read about the serious issues MANY users are experiencing with iMovie and iDVD. If you're not having issues, consider yourself lucky.
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I do. I've been using them since the first versions without issues.
 
Originally posted by canadianmacguy
Good, leave.. please. You're not wanted.
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I will refrain from responding in such a rude tone...

I'm obviously an Apple enthusiast (see my numerous posts) and I will disregard your useless knee-jerk comment.

My point had a strong hint of sarcasm to it. Sorry you didn't see that. I, like many others, are just frustrated by the recent news. That doesn't mean I'm throwing my iBook out the window.

Jeez.
 
Pleeezzzeee....

I use iPhoto almost daily, and I have over 2800 photos in it currently. Is it slow? Yes. But, even being slow, it is still the best product available doing what it does. I love iPhoto, it has changed the way I take and archive photos. I could continue using it today, as is, and would still be happy with it, even though I wish it were faster...

But, what do you know? Apple's software engineers have been hard at work, and have developed an amazing new version of iPhoto. The Best photo library app just got better. Quick, how much do you want for it? $49? That's all? Where do I sign...

Oh, wait, there's more you say? I get the world's greatest consumer movie editing program? The worlds greatest consumer dvd creation tool? and now, I even get the over-the-top amazing consumer-level Garage Band? All for the same price? $49 freaking bucks? The cost of taking my family to a single movie?

Even Ron Popeil couldn't top this offer from Apple.

That you got it for free is a BENEFIT. Clearly, with the work Apple has put into these programs, you can't expect it to be free forever. If you don't need the new apps, don't pay the measly upgrade fee, and just wait until you buy your next computer, where they will be free.
 
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Originally posted by ITR 81
If you don't like to pay for technology why the hell did you even buy a computer at all? Nothing is free because eventually we all pay for it in some form or fashion.
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Sorry, but fixing iPhoto and iMovie like they should have been done awhile ago is not technology..
 
Originally posted by QCassidy352
The guy said I didn't need the updates so I shouldn't care. I explained why I should care.

Oh, and for me, that's $0. One way or another.
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It's going to come with next OS upgrade so I'm not even sure why everyone is so uptight about this.

I spent this much on a DVD I bought a month ago so it's not big deal for me and to most of my friends.
 
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Originally posted by ITR 81
If you don't like to pay for technology why the hell did you even buy a computer at all? Nothing is free because eventually we all pay for it in some form or fashion.
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You're not making any sense. I don't like freeware becoming payware, and therefore I shouldn't have bought a computer? Ok, if you say so. :rolleyes:

Yes, we do pay for it. By buying vastly overpriced hardware and $130 OS upgrades. That seems like enough to me.
 
Originally posted by ac2102
Just one question, as all the iApps were free before, what was the point in shelling out for the original iLife package?
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iDVD was never free. To get it at all, you either had to buy a Mac with a Superdrive, or buy iLife.
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
What you want something cheaper??? Go Linux then. Or you can always go Windows which means a OS upgrade will cost you around $200+ or more and $300 for what you get in iLife.

People are not thankful for what we have.
This just shows the world is turning to **** when people want take everything for free and give nothing back in return.
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Did you read my post?

I specifically said that I didn't mind paying, as long as I wasn't screwed by the timing. I object to the way Apple has gone about implementing this charge, and to the fact that these are bug fixes disguised as upgrades.

Go Linux. What sort of answer is that?
 
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Originally posted by latergator116
Sorry, but fixing iPhoto and iMovie like they should have been done awhile ago is not technology..
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No matter, no one gives away free app's unless they can either get money from the end user or get benifits other ways.
If the costs out run the benifits of giving it away for free then that means either charge for it or end the program.

Would you rather Apple end iLife or make people pay for it??
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
BS
I've had over 600+ pictures in iPhoto and it works fine. It's only when people near a 1,000 or go over 1,000 when they have issues.
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I suppose we all shouldn't go near that figure then :rolleyes:
and for the later poster who says going over 1000 is unreasonable...why would Steve Jobs dedicate a whole section of his keynote amazing the crowd of how iPhoto 4 can handle 25,000 pictures instantly.

Originally posted by nuckinfutz
You're not thinking about that software engineer with the mortgage, car payment and mouths to feed. You claim bugs are your justification for wanting a free upgrade the bugs obviously did not prevent you from using the application.
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iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie have been free for years, yes years. Why the sudden change? The $4b in the bank (steadily flying up with all those iPod and iTMS sales) getting a small dent? Doubt it.

Thousands would still buy the iLife '04 box for GarageBand and iDVD alone, just like they bought the iLife 1.0/1.1 boxes, which had less in them.

Originally posted by canadianmacguy
Sometimes it disgusts me that Mac users are so cheap, so opinionated, so expecting everything for free. Threads like this make me embarrassed to say I own a Macintosh.
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Try telling that to the guy who bought the maxed-out 12" PowerBook days before Panther was released, found out he didn't qualify for the up-to-date program ($129 for Panther), found out his iSight wouldn't work with Jaguar without paying an extra $30 (and not saying this on the box) or upgrading to Panther and didn't work in iMovie, which would require either 3rd party software or iLife '04. This after upgrading his "free email for life" iTools account, which he established a business on, to a $99 .mac account, soon after...
sorry, we're cheap?

Originally posted by canadianmacguy
Good, leave.. please. You're not wanted.
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Why, because he doesn't have the same opinion as you? I think with that attitude you should leave.


To be honest, I think we should all wait until the 16th and rant then, if Apple do the worst :(

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by ITR 81

I spent this much on a DVD I bought a month ago so it's not big deal for me and to most of my friends.
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Ah. Now I see. How nice for you and your friends that $50 means nothing to you. Please try to understand that this is not the case for everyone.

No, nobody *has* to buy it. For people who use these apps frequently, and find them nice but very flawed, going from free to pay, without even an option to buy only the one you want, pretty much sucks.
 
Originally posted by coolbreeze
I will refrain from responding in such a rude tone...

I'm obviously an Apple enthusiast (see my numerous posts) and I will disregard your useless knee-jerk comment.

My point had a strong hint of sarcasm to it. Sorry you didn't see that. I, like many others, are just frustrated by the recent news. That doesn't mean I'm throwing my iBook out the window.

Jeez.
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I happen to agree with you CB. The fact remains that in order to stay current with Mac software, it is becoming more costly every year. Some people are willing to shell out as much as it takes to remain an Apple user. Apple is milking their ever loyal user base for more money every year and I for one resent that.

Maybe some can pass it off as the cost of innovation but make no mistake, these moves are about pleasing the stockholders.
 
Originally posted by jouster
Such Bullsh1t from Apple.

I really have no gripe with starting to charge, but surely it's not too much to ask that I get some kinda break if I'VE JUST SPENT $129 on the new OS?
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What about buying a $130 OS makes you feel so important? iLife is a different product I don't see why your purchase in one area should grant you a freebie in another.

Same for those who bought iLife last time, or have just bought a new mac. Now remember, before you accuse me of being cheap, that you're fair game if you buy hardware before an expo then moan about an expo upgrade, but this came from nowhere. Think about it - probably plenty of people bought Panther yesterday (the sort of people who have no idea there will be expos and rumors) and now they have to shell out another $49? Out of date in 24 hours?

Give me a break.
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Do they really have to? Will their computer stop working if they don't have iLife 4? What the market will bear. If you want it ...buy it...if not then wait.
This is bait and switch at its worst. It is the sort of slimy practice favored by those companies you see being exposed on early evening TV shows.
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Sheesh man you're making no sense. A "Bait and Switch" is advertising a low priced item and then refusing to sell the low priced item if it's out of stock and attempting to switch to a higher priced product. For the life of me I cannot understand why people cannot get the concept of a "Bait and Switch" right. Might I suggest lowering the amount of television you watch.

And this is without even addressing the MANY shortcomings of the programs. As someone said earlier, $49 for bug fixes?
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LOL bug fixes you so conveniently didn't mention. Do you actually believe the stuff you're writing?



No thanks, Apple.
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Good you've finally realized that it IS YOUR choice.
 
Originally posted by QCassidy352
Ah. Now I see. How nice for you and your friends that $50 means nothing to you. Please try to understand that this is not the case for everyone.

No, nobody *has* to buy it. For people who use these apps frequently, and find them nice but very flawed, going from free to pay, without even an option to buy only the one you want, pretty much sucks.
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I guess that's because the world must revolve around their needs huh? I'm sure they go to work and work for free. The complaints boil down to one thing. You expect Apple to pay the bill for your meal even if you didn't like the steak.


iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie have been free for years, yes years. Why the sudden change? The $4b in the bank (steadily flying up with all those iPod and iTMS sales) getting a small dent? Doubt it.

Thousands would still buy the iLife '04 box for GarageBand and iDVD alone, just like they bought the iLife 1.0/1.1 boxes, which had less in them.
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The economy. There were lots of items that were free a few years ago that now cost. 4 Billion in the bank aint there because Apple's giving stuff away. The is one immutable fact. The people complaining WANT the software...they just don't want to pay for it.
 
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