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Re: Re: Re: Re: Enough

Originally posted by QCassidy352
You're not making any sense. I don't like freeware becoming payware, and therefore I shouldn't have bought a computer? Ok, if you say so. :rolleyes:

Yes, we do pay for it. By buying vastly overpriced hardware and $130 OS upgrades. That seems like enough to me.
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90% of all Freeware becomes payware.
Why would someone give it away if it no long benifits him or her?

Apple either should charge for it or end the iLife completely.

If you think you pay too much for a Mac and the OS then why did you even buy a Mac in the first place?
 
Originally posted by QCassidy352
As I said, iphoto is currently crap. I want a version that is not crap. And I don't want to pay $50 to fix problems that never should have existed in the first place. Are we clear now?
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While it is appropriate to have high-standards for products we want to endorse, and unfortunate that Apple failed to meet yours, you've paid nothing for that so-called crap software. If it weren't doing what I wanted, I would agree that it would be nice to get it that way without further cost -- except that it has cost you nothing whatsoever to this point. If you're trying to make the case that you've been ripped off, it doesn't seem makeable.
 
Originally posted by edesignuk
Another reason to be pissed off with todays events, honestly, do they want to loose customers??????
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Uhm... first of all it's "lose", not "loose" and you didn't pay for it in the first place. You are not a customer of iPhoto. Why should Apple let you have it for free - which it hasn't been confirmed that they won't? (I hardly call CNet an authority on Apple)

If they think I'm paying $49 for an iPhoto update (which is all I'd want), they've got another thing coming...
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FYI, it's "they've got another think coming". - not "thing".
 
Originally posted by SWC
So are they supposed to anounce theyre going to anounce new software before hand? If you buy a 2003 model car the day before the 2004 comes out they dont say "we know you just bought an '03 but since the '04 just came out well give it to you for free"
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No, they're supposed to refrain from gouging those who have just bought the apps as part of the OS (which is how they present it at their site, NOT as an app).
 
Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
I think the core of the argument is that we (as Apple Consumers) should feel priviledged because we have the OPPORTUNITY to BUY iLife.. No mention, or thought given, to that we already pay a premium on hardware just simply to run the software (and i believe that ifApple were to release an x86 version of Mac OS their monopoly would collapse).. iLife apps were the right of the (double the) price of the hardware.. Now, to those that already have bought the premium priced hardware, the software is no longer a right, it's a priviledge which can be taken away at any time without warning..
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Premium priced hardware. Depends what you call premium price. I just finished pricing out Dell vs Apple for a customer for similar products (Apple has no bottom low end) and there was a maximum small premium of $159 US and a lower price for the dual 2 ghz G5 vs the Dual Xenon 3.2 "s. If you look at the low end numbers only for both suppliers than you see a premium. But just try buying a Dell product with a few upgrades and watch the price soar.
 
Originally posted by jouster
Did you read my post?

I specifically said that I didn't mind paying, as long as I wasn't screwed by the timing. I object to the way Apple has gone about implementing this charge, and to the fact that these are bug fixes disguised as upgrades.

Go Linux. What sort of answer is that?
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Thats like someone saying I don't want the new 90nm G5's to come out because it will make my 130nm G5 look bad.

Well I'm sorry but if you don't like updated and upgrades every 3-4 months you probably should've never bought a computer then. The Linux OS is the only current OS in which updates don't cost you a dime if your willing to copy the ISO to a CD.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Enough

Originally posted by QCassidy352
You're not making any sense. I don't like freeware becoming payware, and therefore I shouldn't have bought a computer? Ok, if you say so. :rolleyes:

Yes, we do pay for it. By buying vastly overpriced hardware and $130 OS upgrades. That seems like enough to me.
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Speaks volumes about your intelligence if you actually admit to buying "vastly overpriced" hardware. That was your choice right ?? Perhaps you should be a bit more wise with your money. Sorry there is no iApp for that....iCommonsense LOL.
 
dare I put this post in CAPS?

HEY!

I figure that having 3 Macs in the house costs me about $52 USD ($68 CAD) per month including cable, amortised over 4 years, with some residual for trade-ins. Thats replacing one machine every 18 months.
Plus software.

$49 USD ($64 CAD) for 5 great Apps?

And I love the new iPod because its so small. And beautiful.

Thats important to me. If its not important to you, then maybe Bill Gates has a deal for you........

I thought the show today was cool, and was a continuation of what is becoming a music revolution led by Apple.

I want Apple to make a profit because I know I would not be using a computer if they werent around.
 
If I have to buy something, let me buy iPhoto separately

The part of all this that bugs me is that I will have to buy iDVD and GarageBand in order to get a much needed update to iPhoto. I don't have a SuperDrive, nor am I a musician, so it seems stupid to charge me for something I don't use. I could do without iMovie as well since I don't have a video camera.

I understand the paying vs. free thing, I just don't want to pay for something I will never use! Apple! Let me buy iPhoto separately!!
 
Let me tell you a story.

So I came to mac rumours and read the posts about the new ilife bundle, must say I got pretty depressed.

Anyhow decided to watch the broadcast and was soon joined by my mom and my kids.

Now mom, who has a PC but has never used it (it's for her grandchildren on the other side) has (after watching the broadcast) already ordered a digital camera and a DV camcorder over the net (the shops are now shut here in the UK or she would have gone out and bought them) and has asked me to order ilife for her.

What youv'e got to remember is she has a PC and doesn't know how to use it, but that's her next step. Already looking at the imacs and asking if I can guide her into using it, I've got to say I'm looking forward to it.

Can't say she's over intersested in garageband, but hey you never know.

Now my kids (10 & 13), who already use all the i apps on a daily basis are real eager for January 16, and garageband has brought about additional interest, infact my order is going to be for ilife4 and that keyboard Steve mentioned.

Got to say myself, I'm looking forward to the new imovie, iphoto and iDVD, garage band wasn't such a turn on for me, but after Steve's demo, I can see it being something to play with for a few months. (Hell I've just paid up to 10 times as much for toys for my boys which have only held their interest for a few days-garageband is pretty cheap even if we don't use it after February)

As for ipods, well each member of my family already have one of the models, but my boys are real interested in the new mini ipods. They don't see them as a replacement but as an alternative for different situations.

Me I'm into productivity for business reasons and this keynote didn't seem that great at first, but the rest of my family who just wanna enjoy themselves, think the integration is out of this world. (perhaps I have something to learn from them).

As an additional note, I wonder how this will benefit Apple. ie-- I make about 5 or 6 home movies a year for myself, but regularly produce 2 or 3 a week for PC friends (yes with imovie and iDVD). Who the hell is going to chuck up for a mac when they have a friend with one, and I can only see my position getting worse with garageband.
 
Originally posted by jouster
Such Bullsh1t from Apple.

I really have no gripe with starting to charge, but surely it's not too much to ask that I get some kinda break if I'VE JUST SPENT $129 on the new OS?

Well, my software/OS upgrades are now tied to hardware upgrades. $129 + $49 + $99 (.mac) per year AND a hefty premium for hardware that IS NOT (G5 excepted, and only in certain circumstances) comparable to Wintel specs?

No thanks, Apple.
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Since you've brought up the Wintel world, let's explore that. A reasonable parallel to OS X/Panther is Windows and Office. Do you expect to get Office for free with Windows? Do you expect to get Office upgrades for free in perpetuity if you buy it once? Last time I looked, in fact, a new copy of Windows XP costs substantially more than a new copy of OS X (at retail), and the same is true of Office versus iLife. The OS and the suite are, in both cases, tightly coupled to be sure -- but they simply are not the same thing. Having the former does not entitle you to the latter.

I agree that it is very hard to compete with free, and for that reason I too am disappointed that the gravy train seems to be ending. But I think we're still getting a pretty good deal.
 
So I only use Microsoft Word and have no use for Excel, PowerPoint or Entourage but I still have to buy the whole Office suite.
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I dont want to make one of those snide replies, but just so you know, you can buy word alome (in the uk atleast). Not even MS would pull this kinda trick heheheh ;)
 
Where will it end?

Okay, so the new version of iLife is probably worth $49. But what's next?

Safari for $29?
Mail for $19?
Sherlock for $9.95?

Where do you draw the line?

When you spend several thousand dollars on a new computer, should you expect some functionality right out of the box?

And since Macs are billed as a "digital hub", shouldn't you expect the software that enables it to act as such be free?

And should users be expected to pay FULL PRICE to upgrade software they've already purchased?

If the software upgrade is basically a bug fix, shouldn't it be free?
 
Originally posted by QCassidy352
No, nobody *has* to buy it. For people who use these apps frequently, and find them nice but very flawed, going from free to pay, without even an option to buy only the one you want, pretty much sucks.
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Funny... I haven't seen that many posts around here about the iApps being so 'very flawed' before today. Seems like they work just fine for most people.
 
Originally posted by nuckinfutz
What about buying a $130 OS makes you feel so important? iLife is a different product I don't see why your purchase in one area should grant you a freebie in another.
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Go to apple.com. Click on the OS X tab. Click on the features tab or whatever its called. Look at the list of features: along with QE and inkpad are....all the iLife 'apps'

Apple is misleading people by presenting them as part of its OS but charging for tem as an app.

I'm aware of what a classic bait and switch is; maybe you can try to understand my slight change of definition?

As for the bug fixes you disparage, take a stroll through Apple's own forums if you think the iPhoto etc are faultless.
 
Originally posted by bdkennedy1
So I only use Microsoft Word and have no use for Excel, PowerPoint or Entourage but I still have to buy the whole Office suite.
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Well, actually AFAIK no you do not. At least for Windows, not sure for Mac OS X, though. Anyhow, those were never free, so I do not know what this has to do with iLife.
 
iPhoto isnt crap - its free and my kids love it and so do I.

Whats up with you guys getting so upset?

If you wanna be bleeding edge fastest machine best apps etc. I have news for you - it aint cheap.

And timing of computer purchase is something that should be ruled by your own budget and needs, NOT Apple's arbitrary announcements which are part of their business model.

They make the stuff, we choose when we want to buy.
 
Is this real news or more of Cnet's made up Apple news, like when they reported with complete confidence that Apple would provide no more security updates for Jag after Panther was released.

They make it sound all official with the "Jobs said." smashed in the middle, but that only applies to the part about iLife being $49 or free with new Macs.
 
Apple should allow us to download the new iPhoto for free because it would help showcase Apple's hardware and software for others. Right now, I show people my iBook, the excellent iTunes and how seemlessly the iPod works.

I wouldn't dare open iPhoto up because of how sluggish it is - it would make the computer look way underpowered. If Apple let us download the faster iPhoto, then perhaps I would be able to showcase it as well. This is what Apple needs to continue to grow and attract more users.

I suppose new computers will have this now, but it is unfortunate Apple didn't address the speed issue earlier and release it as an update.
 
Originally posted by latergator116
I don't give a crap about Windows. Its crap, nothin to compare to. So thats what I got.......braniac.
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ok...just wanted you to know your option. Seeing as how Windows is so cheeeep. ;)
 
Originally posted by Flowbee
Funny... I haven't seen that many posts around here about the iApps being so 'very flawed' before today. Seems like they work just fine for most people.
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I think people knew that they were flawed, but were expecting some kind of free update soon.
 
Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

Lets see, I just paid $129 for Panther. Then I had to pay $99 for .mac to get the total "Panther experience". Now I find out that the applications on Panther are outdated and I need to pay $49 to get Panther up to date. So Panther really costs $280. Plus Apple will want me to do this again next year.

Sounds fair to me. I am an Apple groupie. I'll do whatever Stevie boy tells me. NOT.

Whats next? Charging for Safari next year? Don't laugh. I can see it happening.

Don't be surprised if iTunes becomes a purchased app as well in the future. They've got to make money off it somehow and its the only music store that the iPod supports.
 
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