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Re: Where will it end?

Originally posted by Torajima
And since Macs are billed as a "digital hub", shouldn't you expect the software that enables it to act as such be free?

And should users be expected to pay FULL PRICE to upgrade software they've already purchased?

If the software upgrade is basically a bug fix, shouldn't it be free?
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You get all the latest i apps when you buy a new Mac.

If you've owned a mac, it's not like iPhoto will now stop working.

As for Mail, Safari, et al... Those kinds of apps are expected to come with any commercial OS these days. DVD authoring and music production I can't say is a necessary standard gratis feature of any OS. We're lucky we got this far without having to pay for iPhoto and company.

One thing to remember that above all, no company is a charity, or a charity for long.

/ek
 
Originally posted by ICEBERG
For Canadian customers it is. I like iPhoto but don't need the other programs. So for me to dish out close to $100 buck CND for one program is too much when i could have had it free just this morning.:rolleyes:
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Dude, it's $59 Canadian. Did you even check the Apple store? You can still download the old versions for free. Apple took nothing away from you.
 
Originally posted by razorme
Apple should allow us to download the new iPhoto for free because it would help showcase Apple's hardware and software for others. Right now, I show people my iBook, the excellent iTunes and how seemlessly the iPod works.

I wouldn't dare open iPhoto up because of how sluggish it is - it would make the computer look way underpowered. If Apple let us download the faster iPhoto, then perhaps I would be able to showcase it as well. This is what Apple needs to continue to grow and attract more users.

I suppose new computers will have this now, but it is unfortunate Apple didn't address the speed issue earlier and release it as an update.
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Aren't you putting the cart before the horse here. iLife isn't due until Jan 16th. Who's to say there won't be an update that at lease speeds iPhoto up a bit. What you're seeing here is the typical hysteria that accompanies every Tradeshow by mac fans with expectation that are too high.
 
Originally posted by jouster
Go to apple.com. Click on the OS X tab. Click on the features tab or whatever its called. Look at the list of features: along with QE and inkpad are....all the iLife 'apps'

Apple is misleading people by presenting them as part of its OS but charging for them as an app.

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WRONG. Apple gives the iApps free as a package when you buy a computer.

And its a normal business practice to allow customers some free stuff to get sales moving at the beginning.

2 years of free stuff - and some stuff is still free, and there may be upgrades for some of the apps anyway - no-one knows yet.

I bet all you complainers hate Christmas too, doncha?
 
Re: Where will it end?

Originally posted by Torajima
When you spend several thousand dollars on a new computer, should you expect some functionality right out of the box?
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iLife comes FREE on all new Macs.

And since Macs are billed as a "digital hub", shouldn't you expect the software that enables it to act as such be free?
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See above.
 
Re: Where will it end?

Originally posted by Torajima
When you spend several thousand dollars on a new computer, should you expect some functionality right out of the box?

And since Macs are billed as a "digital hub", shouldn't you expect the software that enables it to act as such be free?
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Um. It comes free with all new Macs. "right out of the box"...

When you bought your older Mac, you got older versions of iLife for free. Are you asking for free upgrades to a free program?

Like the people who would buy a $199 but complain about a $249 iPod mini, I have to wonder why 50 bucks is such a big deal. This is the BMW of the computing world. Not the Kia.

iLife is WELL worth the price. And if you don't like it, that's great... you can use the previous versions. If you don't like the previous versions, you can use 3rd party software whose upgrade pricing policies might be more in line with what you expect.

Just stop the bloody whining.
 
Dear Everyone Who Feels Slighted and that they're entitled to anything and everything;

Please refer to my post at the top of page 7 of this thread.

Thanks;
/ek
 
Originally posted by latergator116
I think people knew that they were flawed, but were expecting some kind of free update soon.
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Oh, right. People knew they were flawed, but were keeping quiet about it.

*That* sounds a *lot* like MacRumors...:rolleyes:
 
Re: Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

Originally posted by jocknerd
Don't be surprised if iTunes becomes a purchased app as well in the future. They've got to make money off it somehow and its the only music store that the iPod supports.
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Ahem...iPod?
 
Re: Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

Originally posted by jocknerd
Lets see, I just paid $129 for Panther. Then I had to pay $99 for .mac to get the total "Panther experience". Now I find out that the applications on Panther are outdated and I need to pay $49 to get Panther up to date. So Panther really costs $280. Plus Apple will want me to do this again next year.
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You HAD to pay $99 for .mac?
Apple will WANT you to do this again next year?

Listen carefully, close your eyes, relax your mind - I want you to go your bank and withdraw ALL of your money and send it to me, El Gruga Finyano, at RR5, S7, C18, Booneyville, BC, Canada, V7J 3J9.

You HAVE to send me all your money.
You MUST send me all your money.

No Offense , man. But really, no-one is forcing you.

You are feeling sleepy........
 
I bought it.

For $49 for what you get, it's a dang god deal. Try and find those applications on a PC and you'd pay a fortune.

Personally I find it to be a good deal for what it comes with. But then I use iDVD, iMovie and iPhoto daily.

If it'll make them develop more things like maybe a RAW Plugin for iPhoto I'll take it.
 
Re: seriously though...

Originally posted by the silver fox

Somewhere down the line Apple has to charge us for developing these products given their small market share. The OS as has been mentioned always includes the iLife suite. If you really cant afford $49 for software then cut down on beer/books/music/cinema/coffees for a few weeks.
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I thought the cost of the hardware was justification for the free apps.
 
Re: Re: Where will it end?

Originally posted by Flowbee
iLife comes FREE on all new Macs.

See above.
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And the version that came free on my Mac is broken. Why should I have to pay for Apple to fix it?
 
Re: I appreciate the link...

Originally posted by qgrayson
...but that's for those who buy systems...not the iLife software package.

- Some of us purchased the first iLife package in order to get the latest version of iDVD. That was last year. Now...if we want to upgrade THOSE apps we have to pay another 50 bucks.

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And therein lies one of the biggest problems. I have no issue paying for the software. However for those who shelled out $50 last year, there should be an upgrade price. Those who bought Final Cut Express last year for $299 only have to pay $99 to upgrade to 2.0. Just about every other software has a special upgrade price for those who bought the previous version (Adobe for example).

So why doesn't Apple offer an upgrade price to those who bought it last year? We're paying full price for upgrades - that's a problem imo. Yes, it's easy to say, "don't buy it then, your current apps work" However that still doesn't make it right for apple to charge full price for upgraded software (if in fact this story is true)
 
Originally posted by Flowbee
Oh, right. People knew they were flawed, but were keeping quiet about it.

*That* sounds a *lot* like MacRumors...:rolleyes:
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Im not trying to say iLife is flawed. All I am saying is that iPhoto and iMovie have some serious issues and I have heard many complaints on Macrumors about these issues...
 
right out of the box!!!!!!

When you spend several thousand dollars on a new computer, should you expect some functionality right out of the box?

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Yeah, that's what you get, if you buy a new mac now (or in 10 days time) you'll get every thing you want. BUT you'll have to upgrade it in the future if you wanna keep up to date.

Now with M$, you get the box and have to buy the software on top, OK so sometimes (no many times) it's bundled, but let's face it one way or another it's built into the price.

i life is a better deal than office, and yeah I know they serve different purposes, but you've only gotta look at the price tag $49 is nothing.
 
Re: Where will it end?

Originally posted by Torajima
Okay, so the new version of iLife is probably worth $49. But what's next?

Safari for $29?
Mail for $19?
Sherlock for $9.95?

Where do you draw the line?

When you spend several thousand dollars on a new computer, should you expect some functionality right out of the box?

And since Macs are billed as a "digital hub", shouldn't you expect the software that enables it to act as such be free?

And should users be expected to pay FULL PRICE to upgrade software they've already purchased?

If the software upgrade is basically a bug fix, shouldn't it be free?
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All of this is included for free with a mac. It was included when you purchased your mac as is all new macs purchased today. and just like everything else upgrades arent free forever.
 
Re: Re: seriously though...

Originally posted by jocknerd
I thought the cost of the hardware was justification for the free apps.
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Look, the hardware is NOT more expensive than PC's with the SAME features.

If cost is an issue, then I do sympathise, because Apple stuff aint cheap.

But it is good.

Maybe I'm a fool, but I do know how bad the Windows world is. have you been there lately?

Sorry if I offended with my 'send me the money' post. I sometimes get a bit excited about macs.....
 
Re: Re: Where will it end?

Originally posted by SWC
All of this is included for free with a mac. It was included when you purchased your mac as is all new macs purchased today. and just like everything else upgrades arent free forever.
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But should upgrades cost full price for previous owners?
 
iLife is integrated

The whole point of the 4 iLife apps - those crappy apps that you have the 100% choice to buy or pass on - are integrated - it's a package deal.

When did anyone go to the car showroom and say, "Only I use the car so I dont want to pay for a passenger side sun visor. It never rains in Arizona so lose the roof please. Oh and while you're at it, I havent got any friends and never give people lifts, I never explore anywhere or show other people what my car can do, so rip all the passenger seats out and knock them off the price too.

Although reading some posts, I guess its possible there are people with that attitude out there.
 
Originally posted by elgruga
WRONG. Apple gives the iApps free as a package when you buy a computer.
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WRONG. It is specifically listed at the website as an OS feature.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/

Read the side bar list on the right. What, is Java gonna be a paid app soon? Or Darwin? Or networking?

Hey, according to Apple, all of those, plus a lot more, are features.

Sure am looking forward to paying $49 for Darwin or Java. By your argument, they're apps, given away when you buy the OS!
 

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Re: Where will it end?

Originally posted by Torajima
Okay, so the new version of iLife is probably worth $49. But what's next?

Safari for $29?
Mail for $19?
Sherlock for $9.95?

Where do you draw the line?

When you spend several thousand dollars on a new computer, should you expect some functionality right out of the box?

And since Macs are billed as a "digital hub", shouldn't you expect the software that enables it to act as such be free?

And should users be expected to pay FULL PRICE to upgrade software they've already purchased?

If the software upgrade is basically a bug fix, shouldn't it be free?
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If I bought a new Mac tomorrow what functionality would I not get out of the box? iLife still comes w/new Macs. What you don't get is free full version upgrades for life. And I can't believe you are implying that all the new iApp features are just "bug fixes."

I think the internet boom spoiled a lot of people and made them expect to get things for free forever. If I buy a TV, a car or a DVD I don't expect to get discounted or free "upgrade" once my model is no longer top of the line. If you buy the Return of the King DVD in August will you take it back in Nov and expect to exchange it for the Special Edition?

And, like others have said, you don't have to buy the upgrade the current versions you have will still continue to work even though new ones are out. Hell, I'm running 10.1.5 over here. I'd like to get Panther but I can't afford the upgrade (and I'll be surprised if I can even run all the upgraded iLife apps). But you don't see me complaining. I bought iLife last year just to get iDVD and it was well worth $50. I don't use iPhoto hardly at all and I have no need for iMovie.

It's not like they are charging $100 or $150 for iLife. There's no price gouging<sp?> going on here. $50 is a good deal for iMovie, iDVD, Garage Band, and iPhoto (mabye) alone let alone $50 for all of them. Just go price similar PC products. I don't understand why people expect to get free hand outs for life. If you just bought a Mac or Panther, yeah the timing sux. But get over it. I bought a PDA last year and a few weeks later a new version came out and mine dropped in price by like $150. I swore a couple of times but what are you gonna do? That's life especially in the realm of computers and electronics.

I think Apple has spolied us w/all the good, inexpensive/free software they put out. I have no problem paying a nominal fee for the best consumer apps in their class (on any platform).


Lethal
 
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