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No MP until September?

Hardmac doesn't know what they're talking about.

The W3680 is readily available. Dell will gladly take your order for a T3500 workstation with any of three different six core processors (including the W3680). Estimated shipping date is May 4, 2010.

Yes, sometimes Dell slips their estimates. But in this case my money is on Dell, not on some obscure little rumor site (that links to some French language site as their source!).
 
Phantom Gremlin said:
Dell will gladly take your order for a T3500 workstation with any of three different six core processors (including the W3680). Estimated shipping date is May 4, 2010.
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Perzactly. Dell seems to have no supply problems with the new Xeons. They even have 12-core machines available. It's not supply. Something else is going on. :confused:
 
vvrinne said:
Tuesday, definitely next tuesday :p
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I'll gladly pay today for a Mac Pro next Tuesday.

Otherwise I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

I sure hope Apple makes the wait worth it ... so that we all say - oh THAT's why we had to wait so long - once the 2010s (2011s?) are finally released. I still can't figure out just what that would be.
 
telequest said:
I sure hope Apple makes the wait worth it ... so that we all say - oh THAT's why we had to wait so long - once the 2010s (2011s?) are finally released. I still can't figure out just what that would be.
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*Cough*Macbook Pro 13"*cough*
 
I won't lose any sleep over a later release date.

I'm more interested in a great, well-priced line-up than in a quick update.
 
Deepshade said:
Just seen this on HardMac

re Intel Hexacore

....it seems that this release was only virtual, as none of those CPUS are physically available. According to the website PC Inpact, their real availability might be postponed till next September, as some rumors reported it earlier...

This would be disappointing beyond belief and a true indication that Apple have lost the plot with regard the Pro market.

CS5 is now Intel only, Apple have announced the G5 obsolete (no Apple repair possible as of June) - that's the end of the line for a lot of equipment in design studios, and still no updates for Apples so called Pro Apps.

Seems its a case of purchase a PM thats out of date and overpriced against the competition or build a hackintosh. It appears by the time any new PM surfaces, Sandy Bridge will be the new boy in town and we will all have out of date kit in a matter of weeks!.
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You act likea 2009 Mac Pro is some dinosaur POS or something... Your funny little post is indicative of your IQ. Can you state what PRO application I CANT run on my 2009 Nehalem? You can't so just quit posting your uneducated prophesy.
 
cutthroughthebs said:
You act likea 2009 Mac Pro is some dinosaur POS or something... Your funny little post is indicative of your IQ. Can you state what PRO application I CANT run on my 2009 Nehalem? You can't so just quit posting your uneducated prophesy.
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It's not that you can't run certain software on it, it's that it's severely outclassed by 1k consumer PC's (including lynnfield stuff now), and was sorta that way the day it launched. They need to get with the times both performance and cost wise.
 
Nostromo said:
I won't lose any sleep over a later release date.

I'm more interested in a great, well-priced line-up than in a quick update.
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Quick!!!

Its been 13 months since any sort of incremental update. I would be happy to buy a Mac Pro now if it wasnt for the fact i am paying the same as i would have over a year ago... with no changes WHATSOEVER!
 
TennisandMusic said:
It's not that you can't run certain software on it, it's that it's severely outclassed by 1k consumer PC's (including lynnfield stuff now), and was sorta that way the day it launched. They need to get with the times both performance and cost wise.
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Agreed - mentioned this recently in another thread - I spotted a design mag (yes the Mac Pros major market sector!) article which discussed Design Workstations. The so called current Mac Pro model was described something like 'only just qualifying for the workstation title!!'. With the bottom end the only one delivering performance/£ anywhere near the PC competition. Many PCs out perform the current mac pros - and at a much lower price point.

Mac Pro used to stand for something - doesnt seem to now - apart from being very expensive. It needs to deliver performance and price comparable to the PC competition for starters - it also needs to keep up with PRO development - not be nearly 18 months behind.

Apple need to get with the times and release information that allows their pro users to plan. It's not a bunch of fan boys waiting to spend their allowance, its business's trying to plan for the future.
 
What I don't understand is...with Apple's focus on their iGadget's, what are we supposed to be using to develop for them? Obviously we need OSX based tools (XCode for one) but...are we supposed to settle for the Mac Pro? Or use a busted iMac?

I have to say working on my Windows 7 machine right now is a dream. Working on my OSX machine is depressing. The feel and responsiveness of each OS is just leagues apart unfortunately. And then you factor in the machine choices...

I am totally cool with Apple's new gadget's. I own pretty much all of them (iPhone, and iPad). But I really don't see why they have to be at the expense of the content creation platforms. You really can't have your gadgets and no pro machines and software to back them up. It just cannot be sustained this way forever. Apple could be gaining so much market share, and just have legions of people flocking over. Instead they are happy with a much smaller group of people paying exorbitant prices in order to reap massive profits. I just don't agree with that really...
 
TennisandMusic said:
It's not that you can't run certain software on it, it's that it's severely outclassed by 1k consumer PC's (including lynnfield stuff now), and was sorta that way the day it launched. They need to get with the times both performance and cost wise.
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Huh?

A Mac Pro, ANY Mac Pro "Outclassed" by a $1k machine?

I doubt it.

Apple selling their computers at, near or under cost like everyone else?
MOST UNLIKELY.

Have you ever used a Mac Pro? With Pro Apps?
And used that mythical $1k PC with the same type of Apps?

And you're seriously implying that an 8-core Nehalem (or even the budget 4-core) can be bested by a slightly over-average Dell?

Fine. Then buy one. Have Fun, Enjoy. And leave us SUCKERS in peace with our monstrously overpriced stylish antique paperweights.
Since it's no longer of any use for computing due to its advanced old age, I think maybe I'll turn mine into a flowerpot. Or an aquarium.

Seems to me that people have been screaming for the next MP (or iMac, or MBP or even Mini) ever since the "new" ones came out a year ago.

You know the routine..... Look for evidence of short supplies on the 30" ACD and 8-core, wait, wait, wait until you can't take it anymore and then finally buy the old one 3 days before the surprise launch of the new one!

That's the cost of being on the Bleeding Edge.... Brain Damage! :p Oh, and a new computer every 3-5 years.
Enjoy!

Keri
 
KeriJane said:
Huh?

A Mac Pro, ANY Mac Pro "Outclassed" by a $1k machine?

I doubt it.

Apple selling their computers at, near or under cost like everyone else?
MOST UNLIKELY.

Have you ever used a Mac Pro? With Pro Apps?
And used that mythical $1k PC with the same type of Apps?

And you're seriously implying that an 8-core Nehalem (or even the budget 4-core) can be bested by a slightly over-average Dell?

Fine. Then buy one. Have Fun, Enjoy. And leave us SUCKERS in peace with our monstrously overpriced stylish antique paperweights.
Since it's no longer of any use for computing due to its advanced old age, I think maybe I'll turn mine into a flowerpot. Or an aquarium.

Seems to me that people have been screaming for the next MP (or iMac, or MBP or even Mini) ever since the "new" ones came out a year ago.

You know the routine..... Look for evidence of short supplies on the 30" ACD and 8-core, wait, wait, wait until you can't take it anymore and then finally buy the old one 3 days before the surprise launch of the new one!

That's the cost of being on the Bleeding Edge.... Brain Damage! :p Oh, and a new computer every 3-5 years.
Enjoy!

Keri
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Yes I have owned Mac Pros. I do not own one now because there aren't any good ones to buy. Should have grabbed the 2008's when they were out.

So yes, I have used pro apps on a mac pro. And yes I HAVE used those same types of apps on a 1k PC (We are talking photoshop, video editing, music production apps) and the 1k PC beats it. Of course here we are talking about a 2499 base model vs a roughly 1k PC. I built a 1200 dollar i7 920 machine fairly recently that had a 5770 ati card, 12 gigabytes of corsair dominator ram, a nice EVGA motherboard, and ran at 3.6ghz without breaking a sweat. 1200 dollars. Compare to that to what you get for 2499 from Apple. You can go even more budget if you build a p55 based machine and overclocking it will still yield far better performance than a Mac Pro quad of just about any type (4 ghz anyone?).

I know this stuff pretty darn well. Inside and out you might say. People who buy the current Mac Pros ARE suckers, unless you absolutely need it for apps like Logic and FCS. However for those that are in that situation, they tend to be in a business that can "afford" to flush money away for machines of that nature. For the rest of us, pretty much everything runs on Windows, and in Adobe's case, it runs better. The PC world is pretty great to be honest. Or as Steve might say "insanely great." It's quite alright to think both platforms are worthy of using.

I don't compare Apple machines to places like Dell, personally. I wouldn't want to buy from them for the most part. But anyone at all can build a world class machine in an afternoon if they make the choice to take responsibility for their tools. It is really not hard. It's easier than putting together a basic lego set in all honesty.

You did go a bit overboard in your response to me I think, but that's fine. I know people get emotional when talking about the price of Apple gear because they don't want to feel foolish for buying it. Well it's really not a criticism, because I buy Apple gear too. I fully admit it's almost all entirely a huge rip off (the iMac's would be pretty good if they weren't defective) and yet I've plunked down the cash again and again for various reasons. So yeah, I'M a sucker too. It's fine. I am not putting people down for their choices, that would be quite undeserved (as if ALL my choices in life have been good ones...that's a laugh!). I am however criticizing Apple for their product line up, their apparent lack of respect for pro users these days, and the dearth of quality in what they do offer (all IMO of course).
 
I dont get it some of you are running cross platform software and havent bought a PC yet why? The only reason am still waiting for this 2010 mac pro is I use Logic for main DAW so I am stuck. But man if I had a choice i would be resting my feet on a new dell gulftown.
 
And here we sit, with $5k in hand looking at a bunch of displays. Seems rather familiar to February...you know...the last time they were "supposed to launch." I've been on hot feet for 9 months. I don't know how much longer I can keep juggling workstations in fear of losing my investment because of a Cupertino "surprise attack."

I would stick with an '08, but the AppleCare on most of those fine machines is wearing thin. I don't want to spend $2,000 on a computer that could need a $1k new logic board in a month.
 
THis is killing me, I've been holding out since December. I was on the verge of just making a little CPU upgrade on my PC, but instead decided to hold out, now I'm torn.
 
TennisandMusic said:
Yes I have owned Mac Pros. I do not own one now because there aren't any good ones to buy. Should have grabbed the 2008's when they were out.

So yes, I have used pro apps on a mac pro. And yes I HAVE used those same types of apps on a 1k PC (We are talking photoshop, video editing, music production apps) and the 1k PC beats it. Of course here we are talking about a 2499 base model vs a roughly 1k PC. I built a 1200 dollar i7 920 machine fairly recently that had a 5770 ati card, 12 gigabytes of corsair dominator ram, a nice EVGA motherboard, and ran at 3.6ghz without breaking a sweat. 1200 dollars. Compare to that to what you get for 2499 from Apple. You can go even more budget if you build a p55 based machine and overclocking it will still yield far better performance than a Mac Pro quad of just about any type (4 ghz anyone?).

I know this stuff pretty darn well. Inside and out you might say. People who buy the current Mac Pros ARE suckers, unless you absolutely need it for apps like Logic and FCS. However for those that are in that situation, they tend to be in a business that can "afford" to flush money away for machines of that nature. For the rest of us, pretty much everything runs on Windows, and in Adobe's case, it runs better. The PC world is pretty great to be honest. Or as Steve might say "insanely great." It's quite alright to think both platforms are worthy of using.

I don't compare Apple machines to places like Dell, personally. I wouldn't want to buy from them for the most part. But anyone at all can build a world class machine in an afternoon if they make the choice to take responsibility for their tools. It is really not hard. It's easier than putting together a basic lego set in all honesty.

You did go a bit overboard in your response to me I think, but that's fine. I know people get emotional when talking about the price of Apple gear because they don't want to feel foolish for buying it. Well it's really not a criticism, because I buy Apple gear too. I fully admit it's almost all entirely a huge rip off (the iMac's would be pretty good if they weren't defective) and yet I've plunked down the cash again and again for various reasons. So yeah, I'M a sucker too. It's fine. I am not putting people down for their choices, that would be quite undeserved (as if ALL my choices in life have been good ones...that's a laugh!). I am however criticizing Apple for their product line up, their apparent lack of respect for pro users these days, and the dearth of quality in what they do offer (all IMO of course).
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This is why more and more people build hackintoshes.

It's clear that Apple has to lower the prices on Mac Pros and never, ever again give us lame duck junk like the Quad (which is slower than even a basic iMac now).

I like using Macs and wish Apple comes to its senses. Which is highly unlikely with the current success it has. I'd rather expect hubris and even higher prices.

And Apple's market share is rising.

The key benefit of the mac is that the computer has been designed by one source, and is not frankensteined together. I heard there can be plenty of problems with certain PC parts not playing well with others. Also, on a PC you have to fight viruses and trojan horses and hunt for drivers all the time. And, I must say this, the windows design is ugly.

Yes, me too I get jealous when the PC world can buy a similar computer for half the money.

But on the other hand I had little problems with my macs (well, I had my screen replaced once on my iMac, but Apple paid).
 
If "Hackintoshing" wasn't possible, you'd all be singing a different tune. Personally, I keep hoping Apple finds a way to put an end to such nonsense. If you install OSX on generic hardware the tower should sprout legs and start running away from you! :p
 
JesterJJZ said:
If "Hackintoshing" wasn't possible, you'd all be singing a different tune. Personally, I keep hoping Apple finds a way to put an end to such nonsense. If you install OSX on generic hardware the tower should sprout legs and start running away from you! :p
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Hardware wise, MP's are effectively the same as any other Intel based computer of the same parts (processor and CPU, as other parts, such as NIC's, audio chips,... can be from different manufacturers, and there is the possibility of adding components for additional features).

What really separates the MP, is the EFI firmware that ties OS X to the systems. And it's not that wonderful without access to it IMO (causes limitations, some of which can be overcome, but may take a considerable amount of additional funds, while others have to be dealt with, as there's no solution).

There's case design of course, which is subjective (in terms of appearance, as the internals are nice, but not the best compared to other workstations in terms of flexibility and ease of part replacements).
 
Well, ladies and gents, seems like today officially marks the full 14 month wait since the Mac Pro was last updated, and according to the Mac Rumors buyer's guide, by the end of today, this will also officially be the longest wait product cycle life span of the Mac Pro since it was first conceived.

Cheers! :D................:(
 
i expected a launch shortly after the gulftown release (march 16)...:/
i'm ready to pull the trigger and with each day passing by my actual need is getting bigger. i can still handle my jobs on my mbp and my windows machine but seriously... its just demotivating :p

may 11 will be the last chance for apple... after that i'll get a dell.
 
keewe said:
i expected a launch shortly after the gulftown release (march 16)...:/
i'm ready to pull the trigger and with each day passing by my actual need is getting bigger. i can still handle my jobs on my mbp and my windows machine but seriously... its just demotivating :p

may 11 will be the last chance for apple... after that i'll get a dell.
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I would at give it until the end of May to be honest actually. If we recall, the MBPs got updated approximately 2 weeks into the original iPad launch, so I don't think Apple would want to release new Mac Pros shortly after their most prized product, regardless if people think Apple could still get away with it, no matter how quiet the update is.

We all know that June is going to be the start of iPhone season so I would logically give space to May for the best potential time frame for a Mac Pro update.
 
Icaras said:
Well, ladies and gents, seems like today officially marks the full 14 month wait since the Mac Pro was last updated, and according to the Mac Rumors buyer's guide, by the end of today, this will also officially be the longest wait product cycle life span of the Mac Pro since it was first conceived.

Cheers! :D................:(
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It isn't.

2006 Mac Pro to 2008 Mac Pro was 520 days.
2008 Mac Pro to 2009 Mac Pro was 420 days.
2009 Mac Pro to today is 420 days.
 
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