Ah, so the 8-core update in 2007 doesn't count I guess?
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/04/apple-releases-8-core-mac-pro/
This would just count as an addition?
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Ah, so the 8-core update in 2007 doesn't count I guess?
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/04/apple-releases-8-core-mac-pro/
This would just count as an addition?
I think so yes. Although it is the 2,1 Mac Pro, it was just a processor addition, nothing else new about it. About as significant as the December 2009 addition of the 3.33GHz quad core option in regards to product cycles I feel.
You guys are still over-thinking this. This has absolutely nothing to do with other products timing. If they had something ready it would have already been out. When the parts are there they will release it, plain and simple. The Mac Pro doesn't compete on any level with any of their other product lines. It's targeted at a different customer base.
Oh right, I forgot to factor in the actual model numbers too. Makes sense.
I am over thinking this. Its what happens when a refresh doesn't occur in a 14 month span!
Your right though. This needs to be grounded in reality, more than mere speculation. I guess we can also assume that the timing of the MBPs had more to do with the Arrandale shortages too than product launch conflicts?
Oh right, I forgot to factor in the actual model numbers too. Makes sense.
I am over thinking this. Its what happens when a refresh doesn't occur in a 14 month span!
Your right though. This needs to be grounded in reality, more than mere speculation. I guess we can also assume that the timing of the MBPs had more to do with the Arrandale shortages too than product launch conflicts?
I'm now in cruise control. If it doesn't happen in May, then we're probably in for a long wait. iPhone mania will take over in June.
C'mon folks, I agree with others that the timing of a Mac Pro release will have absolutely nothing to do with marketing strategy for iPhones, iPads or i-anything. I really don't think Oprah is going to be gushing on her show over her new Mac Pro. The new Mac Pro will not make the cover of Time or Newsweek. There will probably not be a single paid ad on TV or elsewhere. Steve Jobs might never even utter the words "Mac Pro". There probably won't be any press event. We'll be lucky to even get a press release.
They'll be released when they're ready, probably silently, and I'm guessing without any reason given for the wait.
And then I'll buy two of them for my business.
My belief is that xgman has hit the nail on the head!! A lot of speculative wheel spinning regarding product launch cycles vs other product lines.
My two cents is that they are having engineering and / or parts availability issues.
Might there be an even more powerful processor on the horizon that tey could be waiting for
My two cents is that they are having engineering and / or parts availability issues.
Might there be an even more powerful processor on the horizon that tey could be waiting for
Yes, very unlikely that they release a Mac Pro in the same month as the new iPhone, or in summer.
Between September and Christmas then...
Only 200 more "where is the new MP" threads to go
Its starting to make life complicated. With the G5s being made obsolete in 6 weeks time. I know there are going to be a lot of design studios that will be unable to get Apple repairs on current working kit if it dies. So it is time to move on up.
It's too late to purchase current 14 months old tech - that would be foolhardy.
With no support from Apple, is it time to look elsewhere to power the 3D renderings and video edits? or even the day to day Apps that no longer run on PPC machines?
C'mon Apple - let's have some news for the MP faithful!
It's too late to purchase current 14 months old tech - that would be foolhardy.
With no support from Apple, is it time to look elsewhere to power the 3D renderings and video edits? or even the day to day Apps that no longer run on PPC machines?
C'mon Apple - let's have some news for the MP faithful!
I've been following all of the rumor threads and I'd be surprised if we didn't see new MPs (and ACD's for that matter) before they EOL the G5 and 30".
Always heard AMD's are lagging behind Intel processors.
I don't think we'll see them in a Mac Pro anytime soon.
Hopefully.
amd is lagging behind..
the current macpro is >400 days 'old'
in pc terms that's way passed 'lagging'
WWDC is in early June. Maybe new Mac Pros by then or announced there? If not at WWDC then a September date is likely. At least with WWDC earlier than anticipated, because of previous rumors it would take place at the end of June, we'll all know earlier.
And they are sloooowww!
I said this in another thread, a 2.62GHz 12-core AMD machine can't compete with a 2.26GHz 8-core XEON Nehalem machine. It is slower!
Definitely no option for the Mac Pro!
More from Hardmac to back up the story
Another article about short hexacore supply. This time an official announcement from Intel.
Another article about short hexacore supply. This time an official announcement from Intel.
That article is really vague though, and not all of the 32nm parts will be hex core parts either. Some are 4 cores per die, though still made on the 32nm process.
Of the SP parts, only one will be a hex core, and that's the same as the i7-980X with the ECC as Enabled. So that line can produce the Xeon variant, and has been in production longer.
But what it applies to IMO, are the smaller vendors that have to bid on any available stocks that aren't routed to contract buyers (larger vendors, such as Dell, HP and Apple).
Intel will satisfy those contracts first, or likely suffer financial penalties that are written into the contract.
There should actually be some significant differences between the i7-980x and the x5680 (5670, 5660, 5650, etc.), and not just ECC (but I could be wrong, so please forgive me).
I think the dual QPI links, memory controller differences, and a slew of other things that go into the xeon line for server grade performance can easily affect yield. Those 6 core xeons will be run with the Westmere 32nm process, but things are different enough that yield could easily be affected by the rather small design differences. Especially running 6 cores, at blazing speeds with a max memory of 288 GB on the x56[5-8]0 (as opposed to 24 GB on the i7-980x) with two QPI links (instead of one). Not to mention the x5860 supports the 1333 DDR3 (as opposed to the 1066 DDR 3 for the i7-980x) and that just adds more testing differences where yield can be affected. The smallest design changes (especially on a new process) can greatly affect yield.
12 Cores will be great! I just have no idea what to do with 12 cores and 24 threads.
For me, 8 (and 16 threads) is enough.
The comment you quoted was on SP versions, which in this case, 6 core parts are in fact a single processor; the W3680 (i7-980X + ECC Enabled; it's there in the i7 variant, but Disabled). The RAM is DDR3 - 800/1066/1333 BTW (look here).
The DP versions are different. They've the additional QPI channel you're aware of, and they require a different chipset to use the additional QPI channel.
Only the top processor in either segment can run 1333Mhz, as Intel has set the memory controllers. But Apple locked the '09 systems to 1066 to simplify the parts bin (one memory type). This was proven to be the case by a couple of MR members that stuck in 1333MHz RAM capable processors and tried 1333MHz RAM. The results were, the CPU's worked, but the RAM only ran at 1066.
And unfortunately, there's no financial incentive for them to change this. Good point. I was trying to show the difference between the i7-980x and a xeon server line of 6 core processors. I actually completely forgot about the w3680.
Thanks for the info!
Seriously stop being so pessimistic.. Makes me sad to read all this 'worse case scenario' stuff.. You all are writing.
Patience..
We should put all speculation of a Sept. update on hold until the end of the keynote on Monday.