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And yeah, it's funny to see the Apple fans pining for NFC switch to decrying it, now that it more than likely won't be included. "Pffh, I didn't need it anyway!" Wishy-washy. :)

And again... where are they doing this? I can only assume this is some kind of knee jerk response by those with low self esteem to make themselves feel somehow superior to all these other (but unfortunately imaginary) 'Apple fan' people.

I've been using Apple products since the Mac Classic. I'll be disappointed if the new iPhone doesn't have NFC.
 
Just guessing:

Apple doesn't want to pay the high price of a premium/small chip that they need for NFC?

Apple wants their 30% cut from someone in that financial chain (Visa, stores, middleman) Or cut out the middle man completely. They are trying to figure out a way to get a cut of the comission and the credit card/processing companies are saying "no way".

Long term it will hurt them if they dont get in on the action.

The credit card skimmers are scary enough. Imagine someone placing a NFC reader 'under the counter' (behind the counter, hidden by junk) and it's 1 ft from the real NFC scanner and it just starts picking up everything. They can break the encrption later. Hell, behind the counter, they can even plug the device in for power/Wifi and the employees will have no idea what it is. I have no idea how NFC stuff works, so correct me if the security is bullet proof, but I doubt it.

It's not bulletproof, but it's certainly not something a traditional magstripe skimmer is going to figure out.
 
So if we're not getting a streamlined form of NFC, what exactly is this phone going to offer to the market?

The bigger screen, LTE, maps are all catch up, right?

The bigger screen, LTE, maps.

That, plus Siri, is enough for me to upgrade from my iPhone 4. I'll let the rest of the market make up its own mind.
 
Who is Jim Dalrymple that he turns the apple world around with a simple 'yep'?
Does he know Moses? read tea leaves? stare at the stars at night? Why do you treat him like he sits in on apple board meetings and knows all? Or is he just making educated guesses using the same rumors we all are reading? Any statistics on his 'guesses'? Does he just wait until the answer is more obvious before 'yelping?' And, most importantly, why doesn't anyone care what his sources are (if any)?

His source is Apple. They feed him information that they want released in an unofficial way. He has been right with all of his "predictions," including the 4S event, iPad 3 event and iBooks event. Apple is using him here the same way they did last year, as a way to mitigate expectations, when Dalrymple confirmed that there would be no new iPhone at WWDC.
 
whats funny is the fanboys say its overated and not taking off if its not in the next iphone, but if it is they will be going on and on about it how its the best thing since sliced bread

Haha very well put, that's just what I thought
 
Just like the lack of 3G and LTE did right? NFC right now is far less important than those two and people still bought plenty of iPhones with those technologies missing.

With some things, Apple waits until the technology is mature before jumping in. NFC in phones is far from standardized at this point. NFC functionality is only as good as the places iit's supported at. While I'd like to see it in the new iPhone, I'd really only want it just in case it actually catches on in the next couple years.

The consumer had far fewer options then, times have changed. The market is saturated and people are far better educated.

You'll see, and so will Apple.

Sitting on your hands does nothing more than put your fingers to sleep.
 
And what to do YOU think of NFC?

Oh wait, you have no opinions on anything but the imaginary fanboys you conjure up so you can then diss to make you feel special in front of your 14 year old friends.

"NFC," interrupted Mr. Wilcox, as it were thrusting his hand into her speech. "Well, you do admit that there are necessary and nice-to-have features. That's something."

Margaret could not reply. Was he incredibly stupid, or did he understand her better than she understood herself?

"You do admit that, if NFC is included on the next iPhone, some people will find it very useful, and others will never use it at all."

"Every one admits that."

"Your Fanboys don't."

"My Fanboys do. Yours mayn't; but I strongly suspect yours of being not Fanboys, but ninepins, which you have constructed for your own amusement. I can't imagine any living creature who would bowl over quite so easily."

He would have resented this had she not been a woman. But women may say anything--it was one of his holiest beliefs--and he only retorted, with a gay smile: "I don't care. You've made two damaging admissions, and I'm heartily with you in both."
 
They may well be right in holding off. I took the Amtrak this past weekend and they scanned the QR code right off the Amtrak app on my iPhone. What can NFC do that QR codes can't?
 
The consumer had far fewer options then, times have changed. The market is saturated and people are far better educated.

You'll see, and so will Apple.

Sitting on your hands does nothing more than put your fingers to sleep.

Don't be offended if I quote this following Apple's opening weekend sales press release (likely) on September 24.

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FYI the lack of 3G was criticised in reviews of the first iPhone, same as the lack of MMS.

Yes it was criticized, but the phone still sold well, especially considering its price. That was the point I was trying to make.
 
Well it's official...the only reason I'm even bothering to upgrade from my 4s is LTE.

That's you. I'm not too impressed with too many offerings. I might keep my old, Verizon 3G for a year and save my money. Cause I really need a longer screen, faster internet where I'm covered in wifi, for how much money?

Even the chip is mostly the same. Just think of it: iPhone 5: Marginally better battery life, and in every other way, catching up to features Android phones have in screen size (sort of) and speed.
 
That's a shame I was looking forward to NFC. They just started putting the terminals in some of my local shops.

Is the iPhone 5 actually going to include any new technologies at all? coz it doesn't look like it. I was also hoping for some form of wireless or inductive charging.
 
Not an important feature if Apple doesn't include it:rolleyes:

When's the last time you used NFC to pay for anything? Google wallet hasn't exactly taken off either.


Just surprising that NFC isn't in the phone with the new Passbook app.
Honestly that hasn't even been confirmed by Apply. Heck the new iPhone hasn't even been confirmed by Apple yet. It's all rumor and speculation yet.
 
I still don't understand why people want NFC in a phone anyway tbh. It's kinda handy for the 'bump to sync' stuff that Palm were doing but Apple's covering that through iCloud anyway.
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Actually it's quite a neat way to trigger phone behavior. Maybe you should read a review of the LG Optimus 4X. AFAIR LG supplies two NFC tags with the phone and describes several use cases, e.g. setting your phone into car mode with synced bluetooth by just dropping it near the NFC-Tag you installed in your car.
 
... a mobile OS that lacks direct device-to-device sharing capability in general and instead focuses on syncing to iCloud or a PC.

Lacks device-device sharing. Lol. That was my first shock at my iPhone - it couldn't do what my previous dumbphone had done for years!

Apple sadly wants to be a middleman in that situation. More of a hinderance than a great solution.
 
Question: If Apple chose to use Bluetooth instead of NFC, would the bluetooth chip work with existing technology? Meaning, if store A has NFC terminals, would bluetooth somehow work with those terminals?

I'm just wondering, since NFC hasn't really caught on in the US yet, and it'd be odd to see 2 systems competing - sort of like HD-DVD and BluRay in the beginning, I guess.
 
"My Fanboys do. Yours mayn't; but I strongly suspect yours of being not Fanboys, but ninepins, which you have constructed for your own amusement. I can't imagine any living creature who would bowl over quite so easily."

Yeah, what Forster over there said.

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Question: If Apple chose to use Bluetooth instead of NFC, would the bluetooth chip work with existing technology? Meaning, if store A has NFC terminals, would bluetooth somehow work with those terminals?

No. Completely different.
 
This is incredibly disappointing, to be perfectly honest.

If all apple has in store for us on 9/12 is a slightly longer screen, than I really don't think this release will compare to the 3G, or the 4. I think we'll see that in the sales numbers, too.
 
Slightly larger screen, slightly faster GPU, slightly more efficient CPU, slightly thinner, no NFC and most likely a non-serviceable battery.

Besides having some incredible feature that is unknown at this point why would any 4/4S owner upgrade?
 
Yeah, what Forster over there said.

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No. Completely different.

Thanks for the reply - so then, wouldn't there have to be infrastructure to support payment via Bluetooth? I guess I don't see why Apple would waste their time on Bluetooth if it's essentially the same problem as NFC; meaning, not enough terminals built out to support it.

Thanks again
 
Slightly larger screen, slightly faster GPU, slightly more efficient CPU, slightly thinner, no NFC and most likely a non-serviceable battery.

Besides having some incredible feature that is unknown at this point why would any 4/4S owner upgrade?

Slightly faster CPU, slightly more efficient CPU, slightly faster GPU, LTE, nice looking unibody case.....I expect we'll see more.

Speed is almost always what motivates me. I have the disposable income and anything that makes the experience "snappy" is a good selling point for me. But not everyone should upgrade.

I don't recall Apple or anybody telling them that they have to upgrade. Did I miss something?
 
Slightly faster CPU, slightly more efficient CPU, slightly faster GPU, LTE, nice looking unibody case.....I expect we'll see more.

Speed is almost always what motivates me. I have the disposable income and anything that makes the experience "snappy" is a good selling point for me. But not everyone should upgrade.

I don't recall Apple or anybody telling them that they have to upgrade. Did I miss something?

Eh, I don't think any bump in speed will be that noticeable, to be honest. We're crossing the threshold where speed is good enough for most people's daily use.

I definitely need more than a spec bump to upgrade.

You're not missing anything other than the fact that people really look forward to these things, and they actually do want to buy something new by apple. But they want just that - something new - in the way it looks, feels, and functions. I don't think that's unreasonable.

I also don't think a longer screen is going to do it for most people.
 
Thanks for the reply - so then, wouldn't there have to be infrastructure to support payment via Bluetooth? I guess I don't see why Apple would waste their time on Bluetooth if it's essentially the same problem as NFC; meaning, not enough terminals built out to support it.

Thanks again

Well Bluetooth is already used for communication between devices such as wireless headsets, car stereos and computers, and is on most phones including the iPhone now. By upgrading to Bluetooth 4 Apple would just be keeping up to date with standards so it's a safe option, and they may be have in mind some new functionality too.

While it could conceivably be used for a payment system, there is currently no standard for it or infrastructure that I am aware of and while NFC has yet to gain much traction, Bluetooth has even less in this field. NFC is at least actually used globally and significantly in Japan.

I am of the opinion it takes a device like the iPhone to adopt it to make the breakthrough to mainstream use and was hoping that time had come with the next iPhone. We'll see I guess.
 
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