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Why do you guys insist apple must use NFC? NFC has not even taken off in the USA and is only used sparsely in japan.

http://www.engineering.com/Electron...gnArticles/ArticleID/4444/No-NFC-for-you.aspx
The UK must be really ahead of the rest of the world as most places I go to in London seem to support it these days. More hotels seem to be rolling it out as well, where you can use your NFC device to open your hotel room door.

But if Apple adopted it, you can bet it wouldn't be too long before a lot of places in the US had it as well.
 
I'm not bummed about Apple (if this is true) not including it because I think it's currently super useful ... but like several other folks have pointed out, with implementation and support by Apple, it would have a +much+ better chance of achieving some kind of critical mass.
 
So just a taller vertical screen size and LTE (which AT&T doesn't yet have in Seattle)?

Not enough to make upgrading a no-brainer. Maps and Passbook are cool and all, but those are iOS upgrades I'd get with my current iPhone.

Really hoping for some more bells and whistles.
 
Is pay-wave and nfc the same thing? Could you use nfc at pay-wave terminals? Cos there are plenty of them
 
I'm guessing you've never been to Japan then.

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yes, nfc works at visa pay-wave terminals.

Then what is everyone on about that nfc isnt widespread??? Here in Europe there is pay wave everywhere. I use it for my business its really taking off.
 
Then what is everyone on about that nfc isnt widespread??? Here in Europe there is pay wave everywhere. I use it for my business its really taking off.

it is widespread everywhere except for rural America. It works with Mastercard's paypass as well.
 
Typical Apple, its not widespread in America so the rest of the world cant have it. Just like here is LTE for your new ipad, but only on US frequencies.


Cheers!
 
Okay, then you probably don't need an iPad or a 27" iMac or a 13" or 15" MacBook Pro either because the stamp-sized iPhone screen is big enough for you...

Except we don't use our computers 10 inches from our faces and they don't need to fit in our pockets, smart one.

I'd like to see NFC. It could really streamline a lot of merchant services. It wouldn't replace the wallet but it could save some time after many dozens of uses.
 
Lacks device-device sharing. Lol. That was my first shock at my iPhone - it couldn't do what my previous dumbphone had done for years!

FYI, iFiles is a pretty slick little app that provides dev-to-dev sharing. You both need the app and it still has to work within the iOS API (so it sandboxes data/files), but it works really well. Share files across WiFi and BT (using the app, between devices), it broadcasts a HTTP service so you can access and share files using a browser from a Mac/PC, built in sharing connectors for DropBox, S3, Sugar, etc., file management, printing.

Hahaha, I'm starting to sound like an infomercial :D
 
Then what is everyone on about that nfc isnt widespread???

I have no idea. It's already everywhere. In Canada, more than half of all retail transactions are done at terminals that already have NFC.

IIRC, the carriers and banks up here are just about done on a cooperation agreement that will allow NFC-equipped phones to be used as pay-with devices, with go-live slated to happen before the end of the year. That was the last I heard, at any rate.
 
I'd like to see NFC. It could really streamline a lot of merchant services. It wouldn't replace the wallet but it could save some time after many dozens of uses.

I use the ID Case and NFC would of been a great addition to that for me, have my card for times i really need it but have others for use with NFC
 
Typical Apple, its not widespread in America so the rest of the world cant have it. Just like here is LTE for your new ipad, but only on US frequencies.


Cheers!

A) Apple hasn't even told us if it's included or not. Everything at this point is conjecture
B) If they the conjecture is correct, we don't know what their reasons are. Assuming it's just because it doesn't seem to have widespread support in the US is just that....an assumption.

I don't think it's fair to be dogging Apple over something we don't even know for sure yet and we don't know the reasoning behind. From the sounds of reading that Anandtech article, at the very least Apple would have had to make some design changes to implement it. Perhaps some technology changes as well that just didn't fit their current plan.

I for one may have found a use for it....but I also worry about it being a security risk. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the idea and I'm not sure I see a big future for it.
 
a colleague of mine just got the samsung galaxy sIII in blue .. must say it is a gorgeous phone .. the screen is ridiculously brilliant and even though the screen is 4.3 inches, the phone does not look that big ... the new iphone better be good ... i don't want to lose face apple!
 
Why would you lose face? Why do people wrap their pride around their possessions? Things that get old and fall apart???
 
A) Apple hasn't even told us if it's included or not. Everything at this point is conjecture
B) If they the conjecture is correct, we don't know what their reasons are. Assuming it's just because it doesn't seem to have widespread support in the US is just that....an assumption.

I don't think it's fair to be dogging Apple over something we don't even know for sure yet and we don't know the reasoning behind. From the sounds of reading that Anandtech article, at the very least Apple would have had to make some design changes to implement it. Perhaps some technology changes as well that just didn't fit their current plan.

I for one may have found a use for it....but I also worry about it being a security risk. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the idea and I'm not sure I see a big future for it.

Sorry Tim, wont do it again.
 
I for one may have found a use for it....but I also worry about it being a security risk. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the idea and I'm not sure I see a big future for it.

NFC is no more risky than using a credit card.
 
Why use NFC when you can use the more widely available Bluetooth 4.0?? Think about all the iPhones that already have it?? That's million of 4S's already out in the wild plus the millions of "new iphones" they're about to sell this fall!!
Apple never does something until its better than what's already out there so instead of following the NFC tech that everybody seems to add to phones but noone seems to use, why not just do it with the low power Bluetooth 4.0??
That's just my .02
 
But are there any payment systems based on BLE? If there aren't, that would be the reason to use NFC. It's going to require more than Apple's backing, it will need the backing of Visa, MC, and merchant banks.
 
A lot of people here don't realize that NFC can be used for much more than payments. You can unlock your car, turn your PC on, turn on/off your home alarm, start your car, identify yourself, share files and many many other things.

Apple has no interest in cutting edge tech which is a shame. Not sure what happened to "Think Different" but obviously Apple would prefer that you don't think at all. NFC can be very useful but you have to give developers the API and allow them to create amazing apps and features. Sadly if you're an iPhone user you won't see any of these things for a while.
 
Pretty sure all of those things could be performed via other technologies as well. In fact, some of them already have been around for a while. Bump comes to mind.
 
But are there any payment systems based on BLE? If there aren't, that would be the reason to use NFC. It's going to require more than Apple's backing, it will need the backing of Visa, MC, and merchant banks.

'The idea is that Apple could introduce an app that enables the Bluetooth transaction but relies on the cloud. This would completely negate the need for NFC, cash registers or even credit cards and thus allow retailers and SMEs to bypass costly hardware upgrades."

Sounds ambitious, but I can't see retailers setting up 2 payment systems (physical and cloud) without some incentive from Apple.
 
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