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No NFC in Next-Generation iPhone

You're still getting a bigger display

I'm guessing they had to hold it back for next year's iPhone, along with the A6. Oh well, by the time iPhone 4 upgraders get their next iPhone in 2014, NFC will probably be more established thanks to next year's iPhone getting it.

Looking forward to upgrading to an iPhone with the A6 and NFC next year.

Monctonian said:
Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) + Passbook = Killer! That is all.
It will happen in the iPhone coming in a couple weeks. NFC is dead meat.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthony...allet-capabilities-already-in-current-iphone/
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That's interesting. I may be able to do even more with my 4S (with iOS 6) than I thought. That makes my previous comment moot, with the exception of the A6.
 
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Geckotek said:
Slightly faster CPU, slightly more efficient CPU, slightly faster GPU, LTE, nice looking unibody case.....I expect we'll see more.

I don't recall Apple or anybody telling them that they have to upgrade. Did I miss something?
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It isn't that anyone has to but why would most want to? The average iPhone owner will look at the device in their hand and compare it to the device on display come September/October and the extra 18% of screen real estate will mean very little. After having the 4 and then the 4S on the market for over two years, I think Apple needed a bigger change than this.
 
I just can't understand this thing not having NFC, so my best guess is that Anand is missing something.

I've seen Google Wallet scanners at the register, why wouldn't Apple want a piece of every transaction???
 
SpectatorHere said:
I just can't understand this thing not having NFC, so my best guess is that Anand is missing something.

I've seen Google Wallet scanners at the register, why wouldn't Apple want a piece of every transaction???
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because they want to use their own iwallet.
 
I find the comment about Apple not using NFC because it hasn't really taken off yet interesting (not pointing out any particular comment).

It's like, Apple isn't going to use NFC because it hasn't taken off yet, and NFC hasn't taken off yet since Apple didn't use it yet. See where I'm going with this? It's circular.
 
Monctonian said:
EXACTLY. Do it... Differently and in a fashion that is better than Google's collation while avoiding their patents.
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Why would it be better? What are they doing better with the iPhone the last couple years? They're selling more of them, but where they used to lead the way in technology, they now trail.

If Google holds patents over it, license it. They have 100 billion cash on hand. ....If this is true its just the latest in douchy moves Apple has made with the iPhone. Which is one of the reasons I suspect Anand is wrong and it will have NFC.
 
barryl85 said:
I think Apple can be the only ones to properly confirm this but if true this will upset a lot of people waiting for the new iPhone.

Personally I have the Samsung Galaxy S3 with NFC and have never even bothered to use it.
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I think this would be the case for the vast majority of people even if the next iPhone were to include NFC and we were to jump forward a year and a half. NFC is something every geek thinks they need when in fact no one really uses it still. In a couple of years? Perhaps, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Monctonian said:
Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) + Passbook = Killer! That is all.
It will happen in the iPhone coming in a couple weeks. NFC is dead meat.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthony...allet-capabilities-already-in-current-iphone/
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What systems are using BLE today? Are there any large rollouts planned? I keep seeing people say this, but I'm unaware of any plans for BLE to compete w/ NFC.

therealjustin said:
It isn't that anyone has to but why would most want to? The average iPhone owner will look at the device in their hand and compare it to the device on display come September/October and the extra 18% of screen real estate will mean very little. After having the 4 and then the 4S on the market for over two years, I think Apple needed a bigger change than this.
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Some people will want to, some won't. There's no need for people to upgrade every year. Apple doesn't have to reinvent the phone every year just to meet some random expectation by a few geeks in a forum. People ready to buy will. Those not ready wont.

SpectatorHere said:
I just can't understand this thing not having NFC, so my best guess is that Anand is missing something.

I've seen Google Wallet scanners at the register, why wouldn't Apple want a piece of every transaction???
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How exactly would Apple get a piece of the transaction? They don't have a product that competes with Google Wallet. NFC is independent of a payment intermediary like Google Wallet. Just adding NFC makes Apple nothing.
 
Geckotek said:
What systems are using BLE today? Are there any large rollouts planned? I keep seeing people say this, but I'm unaware of any plans for BLE to compete w/ NFC.



Some people will want to, some won't. There's no need for people to upgrade every year. Apple doesn't have to reinvent the phone every year just to meet some random expectation by a few geeks in a forum. People ready to buy will. Those not ready wont.



How exactly would Apple get a piece of the transaction? They don't have a product that competes with Google Wallet. NFC is independent of a payment intermediary like Google Wallet. Just adding NFC makes Apple nothing.
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A couple ways.

I assumed they wouldn't add it until they did negotiate a cut. There are more iPhone out there any other model, they would have quite a bit leverage bringing transactions to an existing platform.

Or, they make their own platform of Apple NFC payment systems and cut a deal with a the banks and/or retailers.

...Let's put it this way. They will have this sort of feature this year or next. Mobile payment is coming and Apple absolutely will get a cut. So, why not this year?
 
doelcm82 said:
Can you give me an example of a "folk" who said the one thing yesterday and the other thing today?

Yesterday, when the unverified rumor was that the iPhone would have NFC, the fans of NFC were excited about the possibility. Today, when the unverified rumor is that the iPhone will not have NFC, the NFC foes are speaking up.
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Show us specific fans. Otherwise, you're talking about 2 diff groups of ppl.

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SpectatorHere said:
A couple ways.

I assumed they wouldn't add it until they did negotiate a cut. There are more iPhone out there any other model, they would have quite a bit leverage bringing transactions to an existing platform.

Or, they make their own platform of Apple NFC payment systems and cut a deal with a the banks and/or retailers.

...Let's put it this way. They will have this sort of feature this year or next. Mobile payment is coming and Apple absolutely will get a cut. So, why not this year?
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Why would you think Apple would do this? Doesn't fit their business model. They aren't Google.

And it has nothing to do with negotiating a cut, they would actually have to develop a payment system like Google Wallet, PayPal, or Square. I don't see them doing it.

Edit: Google is not getting a cut of transaction either. They make their money from Google offers being bundled. Not a business Apple is in.
 
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-LikesMac- said:
I find the comment about Apple not using NFC because it hasn't really taken off yet interesting (not pointing out any particular comment).

It's like, Apple isn't going to use NFC because it hasn't taken off yet, and NFC hasn't taken off yet since Apple didn't use it yet. See where I'm going with this? It's circular.
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HeRe in europe. Nfc is everywhere, visa and mastercard have adopted it. They don't need Apple. As an iphone user for over 4 years, id be disappointed if this doesn't have nfc.
 
dv8r said:
Great - let's implement something that isn't out there and won't be for at least 3-4 years apart from the Apple stores... That's so much better that the thing already working everywhere - way to go Apple!
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I understand the first half of your post, but not the second. Why would you assume some random guess by some clueless person on a forum is actually Apple's plan?
 
Monctonian said:
Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) + Passbook = Killer! That is all.
It will happen in the iPhone coming in a couple weeks. NFC is dead meat.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthony...allet-capabilities-already-in-current-iphone/
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Uh? So assuming Apple, uses this. Their implementation will kill mastercard/visa and androids implementation of mobile payment? As an iphone user i find this very narrow minded and disturbing for the future of apple. Do they really have to have their fingers in every pie and expect it to work??
 
nick_elt said:
Uh? So assuming Apple, uses this. Their implementation will kill mastercard/visa and androids implementation of mobile payment? As an iphone user i find this very narrow minded and disturbing for the future of apple. Do they really have to have their fingers in every pie and expect it to work??
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Again, why are people assuming what some guy says in a forum is what Apple is actually doing?!?!?!?

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Whether BLE will play a role on m-payments or not remains to be seen
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Even the article admits this is pure speculation.
 
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nick_elt said:
Uh? So assuming Apple, uses this. Their implementation will kill mastercard/visa and androids implementation of mobile payment? As an iphone user i find this very narrow minded and disturbing for the future of apple. Do they really have to have their fingers in every pie and expect it to work??
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You seriously don't think all the big players aren't actively working with Apple for strategic partnerships?
 
NT1440 said:
You seriously don't think all the big players aren't actively working with Apple for strategic partnerships?
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even if there are discussions going on, it's most likely in early stages, and by the time they build the infrastructure Apple will be probably be preparing to roll out their iPhone 8.
 
NT1440 said:
You seriously don't think all the big players aren't actively working with Apple for strategic partnerships?
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I dont think they will throw all of their last few years of work away, dont think there is room for two systems. So no I dont think they will. Either Apple comes to the party or not.

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Geckotek said:
You started well, but ended sounding like a believer.
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Just commenting on the article. Otherwise for every article there will just be one post saying "oh well, its just a rumour, no point talking about it"
 
lazard said:
even if there are discussions going on, it's most likely in early stages, and by the time they build the infrastructure Apple will be probably be preparing to roll out their iPhone 8.
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What are you talking about?

Look at how itunes broke out the music industry, you get a ton of labels and a few with some very hefty weight then the rest come through . Apple is the only one with enough sway today to do something similar with mobile payments. They've been building towards this for years, do you seriously think these things are just beginning to take shape?

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how business cycles work my friend. Things like this are in the works for generations (technology speaking) before they hit the market.

Hint: Who has Apple had partnerships with for years now to allow payment for iTunes? ALL the major credit card companies!
 
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