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No NFC Payment System in iPhone 5, Pushed to iPhone 6?
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...It Isn't just about payment systems...
It's also the software handshake and automated connectivity.
Surprised that the NFC was not included [in iPad 2]. Also appears it wasn't 'left out' of the iPad 2 PCB because it's all packed tight unless there are surprises left in the radio board chip sets... in iPad 2.
...It Isn't just about payment systems...
It's also the software handshake and automated connectivity.
Surprised that the NFC was not included [in iPad 2]. Also appears it wasn't 'left out' of the iPad 2 PCB because it's all packed tight unless there are surprises left in the radio board chip sets... in iPad 2.
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Finally, someone that "gets it".
Kudos for your wisdom and insight.
Just like the USA was the last to adopt debit cards with all their risks as compared to a credit card. NFC is fraught with the same dangers.
This is unique to the USA which is why the rest of the worlds Android phones do use NFC, and quite successfully (notice flamers I did not say Android is better, I simply said they've put NFC on Android phones).
Properly setup with the needed protections in place NFC is not a bad system.
But here in the USA where Apple / Visa / et all rule the credit world and are bent on burying everyone in debt and exorbitant fees, NFC is going to be a real risk.
The reason Apple is delaying it till at least iPhone 6 is because Apple wants the information from your purchases to go through them. Apple wants the fees, Apple wants it all people! This is not an Anti Apple Rant, this is nothing more than the truth of how NFC can and will affect us.
If Visa was in charge of it , the situation would be no different than Apple other than the obvious which is that Visa is in the financial business, whereas Apple is not (yet).
Apple is hell bent on owning the world and the enablers that Apple has (fanboys) have helped them be the daunting force they are today, in so many areas that are only good for Apple. (not for you)
So to those of you who are so narrow minded as to read this post as a "troll" or rant against Apple, or however else you want to interpret it to your particular agenda, feel free I don't care.
l am for truth in lending, and all things right.
NFC could be our worst nightmare if not done right.
Cheers...
Well damn. I wonder how Apple would make an Itunes pay system work? I doubt any business would agree to give Apple 30% on their charges.
You never know dude... with over 200 million one-click credit cards on tap paying for stuff through their iTunes accounts... all of a sudden there's retail salivation...
But I doubt they could justify a 30% cut on fees from whomever for CC transactions.. but it would be juicy revenue stream.
Finally, someone that "gets it".
Kudos for your wisdom and insight.
Just like the USA was the last to adopt debit cards with all their risks as compared to a credit card. NFC is fraught with the same dangers.
This is unique to the USA which is why the rest of the worlds Android phones do use NFC, and quite successfully (notice flamers I did not say Android is better, I simply said they've put NFC on Android phones).
Properly setup with the needed protections in place NFC is not a bad system.
But here in the USA where Apple / Visa / et all rule the credit world and are bent on burying everyone in debt and exorbitant fees, NFC is going to be a real risk.
The reason Apple is delaying it till at least iPhone 6 is because Apple wants the information from your purchases to go through them. Apple wants the fees, Apple wants it all people! This is not an Anti Apple Rant, this is nothing more than the truth of how NFC can and will affect us.
If Visa was in charge of it , the situation would be no different than Apple other than the obvious which is that Visa is in the financial business, whereas Apple is not (yet).
Apple is hell bent on owning the world and the enablers that Apple has (fanboys) have helped them be the daunting force they are today, in so many areas that are only good for Apple. (not for you)
So to those of you who are so narrow minded as to read this post as a "troll" or rant against Apple, or however else you want to interpret it to your particular agenda, feel free I don't care.
l am for truth in lending, and all things right.
NFC could be our worst nightmare if not done right.
Cheers...
Disposable and re-usable NFC card systems have been alive and well in many countries in the Euro Zone, East Asia, Hong Kong...
Sigh...
What this really means is -
Apple is very close to being completely incapable of taking an existing standard and incorporating it into their product portfolio. Show some innovation(which you're obviously capable of) by adopting an existing standard based on its merits and making it THE clear standard. Don't segment the market even more by creating another one.
I DON'T want my groceries going through my iTunes account. My iTunes account is for my media and app purchases related to my gadgets.
What this really means is -
secret insider privy to discussions with apple and operators said:
Apple is very close to being completely incapable of taking an existing standard and incorporating it into their product portfolio. Show some innovation(which you're obviously capable of) by adopting an existing standard based on its merits and making it THE clear standard. Don't segment the market even more by creating another one.
I DON'T want my groceries going through my iTunes account. My iTunes account is for my media and app purchases related to my gadgets.
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Not sure about the count but KDDI au in Japan is pushing a popular Android phone with NFC. Lady Gaga is promoting it.
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Not sure about the count but KDDI au in Japan is pushing a popular Android phone with NFC. Lady Gaga is promoting it.
What can a NFC can do ? well,it can help you act as electronic currency, your credit card, your debit card, your electronic coupon . Can act such things as concerts, air travel, passport, bus,subway ,mrt/mtr, OCR, QR ,Barcodes, Control All of Your In-Home Electronics & More .
Source : http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...rol-all-of-your-in-home-electronics-more.html
So this year without NFC chip in the iphone 5 means
2011 : The year of Iphone 5 Epic Fail !
Source : http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...rol-all-of-your-in-home-electronics-more.html
So this year without NFC chip in the iphone 5 means
2011 : The year of Iphone 5 Epic Fail !
Ummm.... No one in the U.S. cared about MMS (by some reports SMS either) before the iPhone 3G yet that features was required and delivered for the world market. Now you can't shut U.S. people up about how Apple personally screwed them over by not including MMS day one.
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Agreed. Just because the US isn't on thebandwagon and comfortable with it yet doesn't mean it's not a norm elsewhere. Apple has to be concerned with these markets as well if they want to compete with Google.
Thex1138 said:Finally, someone that "gets it".
Kudos for your wisdom and insight.
Just like the USA was the last to adopt debit cards with all their risks as compared to a credit card. NFC is fraught with the same dangers.
This is unique to the USA which is why the rest of the worlds Android phones do use NFC, and quite successfully (notice flamers I did not say Android is better, I simply said they've put NFC on Android phones).
Properly setup with the needed protections in place NFC is not a bad system.
But here in the USA where Apple / Visa / et all rule the credit world and are bent on burying everyone in debt and exorbitant fees, NFC is going to be a real risk.
The reason Apple is delaying it till at least iPhone 6 is because Apple wants the information from your purchases to go through them. Apple wants the fees, Apple wants it all people! This is not an Anti Apple Rant, this is nothing more than the truth of how NFC can and will affect us.
If Visa was in charge of it , the situation would be no different than Apple other than the obvious which is that Visa is in the financial business, whereas Apple is not (yet).
Apple is hell bent on owning the world and the enablers that Apple has (fanboys) have helped them be the daunting force they are today, in so many areas that are only good for Apple. (not for you)
So to those of you who are so narrow minded as to read this post as a "troll" or rant against Apple, or however else you want to interpret it to your particular agenda, feel free I don't care.
l am for truth in lending, and all things right.
NFC could be our worst nightmare if not done right.
Cheers...
Disposable and re-usable NFC card systems have been alive and well in many countries in the Euro Zone, East Asia, Hong Kong...
Agreed. Just because the US isn't on thebandwagon and comfortable with it yet doesn't mean it's not a norm elsewhere. Apple has to be concerned with these markets as well if they want to compete with Google.
Big difference - NFC and contactless payment cards are huge in Europe and Asia. Contactless payment was finally made available here a couple of years ago - and still no one cares. So we don't have to speculate - the world likes it, the U.S. got it, and no one uses it.
Umm any of the credit card companies. I want to say AMEX lead the first charge at it but is will be more the processing system that will do it.
I do not know about you but here were I live in TX I see those NFC quite often. A lot of fast food places use them. My grocery store uses them. Any of the coke machine at my College campus that take credit card accepts NFC.
I find it pretty convent. I just tap my wallet on it and boom it charges my AMEX card. The only CC that i have that has a NCF in it. I honestly would love for my cell phone to have it. Just allow it to route threw AMEX or any other credit card system. I would not want Apple to have access to that information on what I bought and were I bought it.
CC companies have to have access to it because they are the ones accepting the charges but I do not want to put more companies in that pot than I have 2.
That's exactly my point.
Many people who don't happen to travel internationally as I do monthly, fail to think beyond the USA.
The countries you've cited while certainly in it for the money, do not have the same Western Culture or Mentality of Extreme Greed.
Cheers...
I do not disagree with the convenience. The markets you reference are the current "test markets" in the USA which is a regular practice of our financial system.
However you'll notice that none of those is controlled by Apple. There is a big difference.
I have nothing against NFC if implemented correctly.
:dfine with me. I don't see the point of nfc if its just a credit card replacement. Definitely would be at the absolute bottom of my wish list of things to see in iphone 5.
What i would like to see:
-a shared file management system like the finder in osx for connecting to network drives, memory sticks, saving email attachments, sharing files between apps, etc. Seems like they could just create a finder app with very little effort.
this is a must
-the ipad2's screen mirroring capability. Would be nice if it worked over airplay too - i would definitely buy an appletv just for that.
i want this too but i'm a bit doubtful as to the possibility as the camera connection kit does not support iphone too.
-the ability to use external pointing devices (mice, trackpads, etc.) along with the external keyboard option that exists now. Obviously would require the option of an on-screen mouse cursor, but would be very handy when used with a mirrored screen, especially in presentation situations.
no. Not gonna happen.
-thunderbolt.
not gonna happen so soon.
in that order of priority.
Were you REALLY waiting for NFC? Is it REALLY gonna change your life and make it better?
Really dude?
More convenient... Perhaps. A reason for NOT upgrading? Are you havin' a laugh?
Visa
Visa have already begun rolling out NFC cards in Australia.
They allow payments of less than 100/transaction.
But I think western countries just have cold feet about it and are trying to pry out higher margins whereas other countries which already have the system in play have embraced and expanded it like paying for things like; food, transport, retail, telephone, internet, online purchases, vending machines... all connected to either the users bank details, vouchers or via a prepaid system.
As a hardware/software connectivity system it should be much less of an issue...
Visa have already begun rolling out NFC cards in Australia.
They allow payments of less than 100/transaction.
But I think western countries just have cold feet about it and are trying to pry out higher margins whereas other countries which already have the system in play have embraced and expanded it like paying for things like; food, transport, retail, telephone, internet, online purchases, vending machines... all connected to either the users bank details, vouchers or via a prepaid system.
As a hardware/software connectivity system it should be much less of an issue...
Calm down.
It's an opt-in feature. It's not a mandatory dictate.
If you want to pay cash, go right ahead. My grocery store still accepts checks from the blue-haired old ladies. You'll fit right in.
That's exactly my point.
Many people who don't happen to travel internationally as I do monthly, fail to think beyond the USA.
The countries you've cited while certainly in it for the money, do not have the same Western Culture or Mentality of Extreme Greed.
Cheers...
Yes I completely agree! Places I have traveled and arrived at the airport, buying the card and upon departure.. either cash in the remainder or keeping my card for the next trip. And I agree they aren't chasing margins, and neither is the local government chasing large tax streams either because the cost/usage benefits means more people want to use it.
Public transit is what drove adoption of the "osaifu keitai" (literally "wallet phone") in Japan.
It won't be Apple Store retail (which is what some of the idiots here postulate). Many US metro areas have transit systems that are using NFC payment systems. They don't need to think about someone in Salina, KS trying to buy a pack of cigarettes at the minimart. They want all of NYC to use NFC for the subway, they want the iPhone to function as the Clipper Card in the SF Bay Area.
