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Nokia Hits Back at Apple Again With New ITC Complaint

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Just days after the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) ruled that Apple has not violated any of five patents cited by Nokia in a complaint filed in October 2009, Nokia has turned around and filed a second complaint against Apple with the ITC. The complaint cites seven Nokia-held patents as being infringed by "virtually all" Apple products.
The seven Nokia patents in the new complaint relate to Nokia's pioneering innovations that are now being used by Apple to create key features in its products in the areas of multi-tasking operating systems, data synchronization, positioning, call quality and the use of Bluetooth accessories.

This second ITC complaint follows the initial determination in Nokia's earlier ITC filing, announced by the ITC on Friday, March 25. Nokia does not agree with the ITC's initial determination that there was no violation of Section 337 in that complaint and is waiting to see the full details of the ruling before deciding on the next steps in that case.
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Nokia notes that it now has 46 patents at stake against Apple, many of them dating back to as much as ten years or more before the introduction of the iPhone. Most of those patents are already being litigated in cases underway in the United States and several European countries as the dispute between Apple and Nokia continues to escalate.

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Bleeding

It sounds like Nokia is bleeding money and needs an Apple hand-out. You can just smell the desperation.
 
dpruitt said:
It sounds like Nokia is bleeding money and needs an Apple hand-out. You can just smell the desperation.
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Let me just sum this up in advance:

Apple sues someone: "They are protecting their IP/trademarks."

Someone sues Apple: "They are bleeding money and need an Apple handout" or "Patent troll"

Usually this is followed by someone with a 'shareholder' remark since they somehow believe that owning 7 shares of Apple should get them a direct line to the CEO.

Ut-oh, I'm not conforming to the groupthink... here comes about 40 'hater' comments.
 
blahblah100 said:
Let me just sum this up in advance:

Apple sues someone: "They are protecting their IP/trademarks."

Someone sues Apple: "They are bleeding money and need an Apple handout" or "Patent troll"

Usually this is followed by someone with a 'shareholder' remark since they somehow believe that owning 7 shares of Apple should get them a direct line to the CEO.
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If Nokia has had these patents for 10 years before the iPhone, then why didn't they act when the iPhone was first released?
 
Maybe Nokia needs to change its slogan from "connecting people" to "suing Apple"

Or perhaps Nokia should create the next great thing instead of following Apple's footsteps? Oh that's right, they are now a Microsoft puppet OEM.

Capt Underpants said:
Nokia should focus on getting those windows mobile phones out on the market. Their dying smartphone market share has made them sink low.
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Exactly.
 
Remember when Nokia used to be an innovative company? Now they hope their back patent portfolio will somehow eek out profits from the companies who leapfrogged them at their own game. It's sad, really.
 
R2D2 xx said:
this whole patent thing is really annoying. there should be NO patents.
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There should be. However not left as vague things and they have to be used or lost. Why patent something if you have no intent of developing? It hinders progress.

As per Nokia, I wonder what patents has the MacBook Pro line, the iPod line and the Mac Pro have infringed. Curious because I thought Nokia was a phone company not computer and consumer electronics.
 
Nokia used to be THE name in cellphones.

Nokia has no relevance in smartphones.

The cell market is migrating to smartphone centric.

So now Nokia has less and less relevance in the mobile market.

Instead of being relevant, they are trying to either force companies to pay royalties/licensing on their 'patents' or shut them down in some way.

Sorry, but you fell asleep Nokia.
 
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You'd think things would be different under new management. :rolleyes:

But, to quote Blake from Glengarry Glenross:

"A loser is a loser."
 
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If you can't innovate - litigate!
 
blahblah100 said:
Let me just sum this up in advance:

Apple sues someone: "They are protecting their IP/trademarks."
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Not to everyone. Apple usually isn't the aggressor, they do however counter-sue quite voraciously. A lot of Apple's patents could be considered questionable, but it was accepted at the time so alas, they are not :rolleyes:

Someone sues Apple: "They are bleeding money and need an Apple handout" or "Patent troll"
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In this case though, Nokia isn't doing well. They aren't at the point yet where they are bleeding money (hardly at all) but their market impact has been greatly affected, and they are rapidly losing their profit margins relative to a few years ago.

Usually this is followed by someone with a 'shareholder' remark since they somehow believe that owning 7 shares of Apple should get them a direct line to the CEO.
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had it ever occurred to you that some people on this site could be better off than you? I'm sure there's plenty of 7 share despots, but to categorize everyone into one lump... you're essentially doing the same as what you describe above.

Ut-oh, I'm not conforming to the groupthink... here comes about 40 'hater' comments.
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Hater, no. Logic, yes.

As per the actual lawsuit, if I do recall one of the original points brought up was FRAND for some of the GSM patents-- this could account for the delay we see in the lawsuits even though the iPhone has been out for a few years-- if I do recall correctly there had been discussions about licensing before between Nokia and Apple. Now it seems like this is a last ditch effort, however, as bringing out extra patents that weren't related to the core issue is usually a sign of desperation.

Just speculation though.
 
blahblah100 said:
Let me just sum this up in advance:

Apple sues someone: "They are protecting their IP/trademarks."

Someone sues Apple: "They are bleeding money and need an Apple handout" or "Patent troll"

Usually this is followed by someone with a 'shareholder' remark since they somehow believe that owning 7 shares of Apple should get them a direct line to the CEO.

Ut-oh, I'm not conforming to the groupthink... here comes about 40 'hater' comments.
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Not a hater comment, just saying but do you know that Nokia keeps suing apple, and there really is no reason for it. At first it made sense, but now it just seems pretty petty. And as A side note, Have you actually seen someone on here who thinks owning 7 shares of apple gets therm a direct line to the steve jobs?
 
Cameront9 said:
If Nokia has had these patents for 10 years before the iPhone, then why didn't they act when the iPhone was first released?
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I would ask the same question. However, that's not how patent law works in the USA. Nokia doesn't have to spend their time/money watching other people's products, tearing them apart, and looking for patent infringement. All Nokia needs to do is SOME DAY realize their patent was infringed and then file a lawsuit. That's it.

But I am sure that Nokia knew a very long time ago that Apple was infringing and did nothing (which is perfectly their right)...and let Apple make billions...then file a lawsuit to cash in. Think about it...why would Nokia file suit immediately to earn, say, a pesky $5 or $20 million (and give Apple a chance to make the product better) when Nokia can wait years and earn hundreds of millions or billions? It's the waiting game that ALL patent holders play.

I feel that the existing law is fine. It's not Nokia's job to watch for patent stealers. There are thousands of "little guys" out there that file patents and truly do not realize till years down the road that their patent was infringed. The law cannot discriminate.
 
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