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Nokia Launches Lumia 925 Advertisement Bashing iPhone Camera

ghettochris said:
I'd rather have a 5 megapixel f/1.8 than 12 megapixels.
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I agree. Megapixel have become to cameras what power was tow stereo; a popular but pretty much useless specification for meaningful comparisons. Marketers love it because it is sounds impressive and makes for an easy comparison; even though a camera with more MPs may take worse pictures. Give me a better lens and larger sensor over more megapixels.
 
H2SO4 said:
That isn't what sells to the masses. An enormous number of megapixels convinces an enormous amount of people.
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...and that isnt how apple plays -- they dont sell specs to the masses, they sell experience. id bet most iphone owners dont even know how many megapixels theyve got. im a software dev and i dont even know, because i just dont care. i want it to work well and w/o fuss. thats what it does.

apple will improve their product, not throw specs at it.
 
ctdonath said:
If that's actual pixel count, it's absurd to have such a large imager in a platform which cannot spare enough space for a lens big enough to match it (never mind so many pixels that you'd need five 4K displays to show it pixel-for-pixel).

If that's interpolated, shame on them for misrepresenting the hardware specifications when it's a software application (from that perspective, the iPhone has a 41MP camera too - or any size you choose to approximate).
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"Images captured in the 808's PureView modes are created by oversampling from the sensor's full resolution. At the 808's 'native' focal length of 28mm equivalent, the oversampling ratio is 14:1 for 3MP images, compared to 8:1 for 5MP and 5:1 for 8MP."

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/4388245494/nokia-808-pureview-review
 
I would hardly call this ad "bashing", but I guess anything that doesn't sing praise for an Apple product is called bashing, right? Apple often says they build quality, and not just push things out on the market when asked about Android. I would also say that this isn't Apple bashing Android in that sense, rather Apple (usually Tim Cook) sharing company philosophy. Nokia has decided that cameras are pretty important to them, and I see them as sharing that philosophy with us here in this ad. They really do make the best smartphone cameras on the market today.
 
TMay said:
Apple makes a single iPhone of high quality; every iPhone of that generation is at the same level.

I would expect that niche smartphones sporting a single or a few enhanced features would best the iPhone, and marketing of this type will work for those that value improved features.

As a long term strategy though, Apple merely implementing the the generational changes in cameras will have more impact on overall sales than a few boutique models from Nokia will have. But, I might be wrong.
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Apple certainly does sell more phones than Nokia. And that probably isn't going to change... at least not in the foreseeable future.

The difficulty comes when people automatically make the assumption that because something is used the most/sells the best means that it is the best. A lot of the population will assume that because more pictures are taken on the iPhone than any other smartphone that it somehow must also be the best. Certainly Apple has been okay with this misconception because when given a chance, they will talk about how much better their camera is than the previous generation, or another particular product. A certain segment of the public will take that to mean that the product is the best. When, in this case, that doesn't reflect reality. (Certainly happy Mac owners would not want to accept the belief that somehow because Windows outsells OS X by a wide margin that somehow it is better, but for whatever reason that has happened historically with the iPhone.)

My friends with iPhone 5s seem to all believe that they have fantastic cameras on their phones. (And I think they believe that because Apple has been selling that idea.) That is, until they see pictures coming from my 920. I think they feel a little bit betrayed. They've been lead to believe that they're carrying around great cameras, when in reality the camera in the iPhone 5 are probably the worst of those amongst premier products. Cameras in the Lumia 92x series (certainly the 1020 as well), Galaxy S 4 (maybe S III), and HTC One easily outperform the iPhone in nearly all situations. Yet most iPhone owners aren't aware that they've been sold short. If they don't care, fine... but if they buy an iPhone thinking that they're getting a great camera, a certain amount of disappointment is probably inevitable. And nobody likes to be lied to, even if that deceit is inferred rather than explicit.

It isn't wise for Apple to tout the quality of the iPhone camera when pretty much everything else in its class outperforms it handily. (What would you say to Nokia if they started bragging about how many apps Windows Phone has?) Sooner or later their customers are going to pick up on the fact that they've been misled, and that isn't very good for maintaining a relationship with a customer. Push the real strengths of the product, not its made-up ones.
 
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brand said:
You might want to get an education first and learn about what is and what is not patentable.
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Taz Mangus said:
Nor was there any indication (putting /s, etc.) in his post that it was a joke.
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To clarify, it was a joke. Based on your feedback, a poorly executed one at that. Apologies. I assumed it apparent, due to context, I was being humorous; burning $100 bills to smoke a cigar seemed just as funny as one of these:rolleyes:

I was wrong. Brand, I may not be funny but would you say I've cornered the market on civility? Maybe I can patent that. :D

\adds one more emoticon just to be safe;)
 
I dont get these bashing commercials, If I were a marketer Id focus on key and unique characteristics of what I am selling. Bringing into the picture one of the best smartphone lines to compare to an emerging product line like WP8 just doesn´t make sense at a stage where the platfform in gaining traction.

And as for camera quality I really couldnt care less, all I use my 4S camera for, is to capture the scenery of my weekend runs and bike rides, where bringing my DSLR would just be too cumbersome. Since I excersice with a group all I really need is a quick shooter with not much setting to thinker about, the 4S covers that spot for me.

For more serious photos I have my DSLR, and I dont see any smartphone with high megapixel counts (Yes Nokia I am looking at your 1020 and 950) replacing my
trusty D5000, which may not have that many MPs (12 vs 41) but gives me a plethora of options with creativity and whatnot.
 
FirstNTenderbit said:
I was wrong. Brand, I may not be funny but would you say I've cornered the market on civility? Maybe I can patent that. :D

\adds one more emoticon just to be safe;)
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Often times I am an ass without even trying and it would seem that this was one of those times. Please accept my apologies. :eek:
 
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I don't get it, where did they get that funny dull fruit photo from?

Just took a non flash photo of my dinner with my iP5, doesn't look dark like that...I wouldn't eat that fruit.

Are they just using trick of the light to help promote their product?...anyone can do that.

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Specific issue but true. Apple needs to (and will for sure) speed up its iOS devices development.
 
just listened to the Mobile Tech Roundup podcast and the guy who lives in Washington said he bought a Lumia 1020 on Tuesday from the local verizon store and it was the first one they have sold... This is for the widely marketed product that launched on Friday! Keep in mind this is just one store, but its in Microsoft's back yard.

I guess when you are facing such an uphill battle against iOS and Android, all marketing is fair game, including this sort.
 
laflores said:
But... are those pics really taken with a Nokia phone this time?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/5/3294545/nokias-pureview-ads-are-fraudulent
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"We spoke with a Nokia spokesperson who agrees that the PureView ad is misleading. They stressed that it was "never the company's intention to deceive anyone," but only to demonstrate the benefits of optical image stabilization. Nokia says it's now looking into updating the original video with a footnote so that it's clear that the images are simulated, and the original Nokia Conversations blog post that announced the video has been updated with the following text: "the OIS video, above, was not shot using the Lumia 920."

"We mislead everyone but did not intend to deceive anyone". Hmmm...

EDIT: Sorry but Nokia just shot themselves in the foot with this commercial. Makes me wonder what else have they mislead in the commercial?
 
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bedifferent said:
I'm sorry, but this tired excuse wears thin after a few years. Because other companies use the same manufacturers with horrible labor laws and now polluting the environment in staggering amounts means it's ok, since xxxxx company does the same.

I love the other excuses; "Well, it's a better life than not having a job" or "that's a lot of money for them". Maybe they would be better off working near their home and not leaving their family to work ungodly hours in sleeping quarters next to their factories so we can boast, complain, moan and fight over electronic devices that [frankly] we don't really need. There was a time, long, long ago, when human beings didn't have mobile devices, and would actually meet face to face. Wow!
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it's just that people only call out apple for it
 
the only thing i took away from this ad was the company's name is pronounced... Nahh-Key-Ya and not NO-Key-Ya...

...Whatever who gives a hoot...
 
The 'Nakia' phone may have better camera, but it feels heavy and bulky in your hand. And there is not a lot of apps available for the Windows phone. I wouldn't recommend a phone just because of better camera.
 
ok.. I call BS on this... I just saw two image still of bears under the bed... it states that w/ no flash.. but in the video the child is using the flash to get the image... misrepresentation?????
 
PhotoShop?

Knock-ia (as I'll have to call them now...) has always had good camera's on their phones, but I have to question some of these side-by-side comparison's done.... my iPhone photos look fantastic for the most part, especially the outdoor shots.

That skateboard shot with the gray sky made me very skeptical some serious photo editing may have been done.
 
keysofanxiety said:
Excellent ad. I'm definitely going to buy one of these now.

You see, even though iOS is arguably more stable, has a better ecosystem, a huge app store … and although the iPhone has better build quality, resell value and considerably better customer support, what I really want from a phone is something resembling a plastic surfboard with a grotesquely oversized camera on the back.

If photography was my main concern, I'd just get a separate camera.
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You've stated my thoughts. It is a nice camera, but that camera is only a secondary component of the overal device, which is a phone with camera, not the other way around. The NOKIA evidently has a better camera, but when I'm shopping for a phone, it's the phone features that are foremost in my mind, and a better camera would only win me over, if all other factors were equal.

As said many times before, the best camera is the one you have with you, but for serious photography, you need better optics, larger sensors, and better image processors, period.
 
FirstNTenderbit said:
To clarify, it was a joke. Based on your feedback, a poorly executed one at that. Apologies. I assumed it apparent, due to context, I was being humorous; burning $100 bills to smoke a cigar seemed just as funny as one of these:rolleyes:

I was wrong. Brand, I may not be funny but would you say I've cornered the market on civility? Maybe I can patent that. :D

\adds one more emoticon just to be safe;)
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No problem. Thanks for clarifying. It is very easy to make assumptions about posts made on the internet without knowing someone's intentions. That is why I made reference to putting "/s" (sarcasm) at the end of the post.
 
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