Nokia was always the "indestructible" phone on the market, without really marketing themselves as such. Next to blackberry, they also made the best smartphone prior to Android and iOS. In short, I disagree. Nokia was never really about cheap, IMO.
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Nokia Launches Lumia 925 Advertisement Bashing iPhone Camera
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Nokia was always the "indestructible" phone on the market, without really marketing themselves as such. Next to blackberry, they also made the best smartphone prior to Android and iOS. In short, I disagree. Nokia was never really about cheap, IMO.
This shot from a 10k steady cam too?
Sorry Nokia all credibility was lost when you claimed that cell phone video was shot with your phone when it was actually a professional video rig, and the camera guy was seen in the reflection.
Plus, this Nokia image is overexposed and has a focus issue....
tossers..bye bye nokia
Sorry Nokia all credibility was lost when you claimed that cell phone video was shot with your phone when it was actually a professional video rig, and the camera guy was seen in the reflection.
Plus, this Nokia image is overexposed and has a focus issue....
tossers..bye bye nokia
Well, the iPhone5 still takes photos and video which are among the best balanced in the mobile phone world.
Nokia does have an f/2.0 lens which would certainly improve low light shots, but the iPhone 5 appears to have a wider lens, which would affect metering a bit, so perhaps the comparisons shown are worst case scenario. Also, a wider lens is definitely an advantage for a phone camera, as these are used most often in close quarters, which means that the iPhone5 is not yet ready for the trash bin.
I certainly hope the new iPhone improves its low light capabilities.
Now, I actually do have a Lenovo k900, which sports a 13mp f/1.8 -- the widest aperture of any phone on the market I am aware of -- this was the main reason I decided to try it. It also has a very wide lens. It's a 5.5", 1080p, super-thin stainless steel phone, which has become my daily driver. (http://www.fonearena.com/blog/74054/lenovo-k900-review.html)
Frankly, Apple needs to up its game significantly if it wants to stay competitive, but methinks the Chinese brands like Lenovo are worth watching, as they are starting to push some interesting products.
Nokia does have an f/2.0 lens which would certainly improve low light shots, but the iPhone 5 appears to have a wider lens, which would affect metering a bit, so perhaps the comparisons shown are worst case scenario. Also, a wider lens is definitely an advantage for a phone camera, as these are used most often in close quarters, which means that the iPhone5 is not yet ready for the trash bin.
I certainly hope the new iPhone improves its low light capabilities.
Now, I actually do have a Lenovo k900, which sports a 13mp f/1.8 -- the widest aperture of any phone on the market I am aware of -- this was the main reason I decided to try it. It also has a very wide lens. It's a 5.5", 1080p, super-thin stainless steel phone, which has become my daily driver. (http://www.fonearena.com/blog/74054/lenovo-k900-review.html)
Frankly, Apple needs to up its game significantly if it wants to stay competitive, but methinks the Chinese brands like Lenovo are worth watching, as they are starting to push some interesting products.
Right? I've had Nokia phones since the 90s, and I will never, ever pronounce it knock-ia. Never. Same reason I don't fault people for the mispronunciation of forte or nuclear.
That said, Nokia is producing a piece of technology that is, what, technically 10 months newer than the iPhone 5? 10 months is a hell of a long time, the 5S could have a major revamp for its camera that we don't, and can't, know of yet. Unlike other companies that like to show their hands months before the release, apple plays it close and quiet, though I do believe they are the ones behind some of the leaks.
That said, the Nokia camera is great. Which makes logical sense, seeing as it has an aperture large enough to make some prime lenses jealous. I've got a fairly expensive prime that only expands to 1.8 (or 1.4, it's been a while...) but here it's almost all show. Because everything is so flat and it's not rocking a full sensor, it doesn't mean all that much beyond that the lens is open wide.
I fully agree with the comment that a wider f-Stop is way, way better than more megapixels. Up until a few years back, my ancient Powershot G3 took better pictures than a 12 megapixel camera. Took, hell it still takes better pictures than most P&S cameras still on the market.
You have to look at it from Nokia's point of view. They seem millions of people using iPhone's that literally know nothing about phone hardware. People buy an iPhone just because it's an iPhone. Mostly this concerns the general public and not the many people on this site who know and care enough about their devices to talk about them on a web forum. I am certain there are some photography student or semi professionals who know nothing about phone hardware but choose to carry an iPhone because everyone else does. They may see this commercial and buy a Nokia, because the camera may be that important to them. While bashing the iPhone isn't the best option, Nokia is raising awareness to photographers that have iPhones and don't know anything about it.
Knock-ia vs No-kia.. Europe vs USA. Nokia have always advertised themselves as Knock-ia on every advert I can remember.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q8tlSDpVDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q8tlSDpVDI
Please, it is just wrong.
There is no "US pronunciation", there is just the refusal and apparent inability to look up the correct pronunciation. To call that the "US pronunciation" is pure ignorance. Really, I hear that everyday, especially with designer names. Every European cares to ask how to pronounce a name if they aren't sure, Americans come and mutilate them and are not even ashamed and pretend it's the "US pronunciation" that is somehow just as official as the original one. It's just a sign of respect to other cultures to look things like that up.
Well this ad just shows that the whole line of BS that Apple's iPhone is sinking with the ships and Samsung is taking over is all down the toilet now. It amazes me that Nokia targets ONLY the iPhone in this ad and doesn't touch the ever popular Samsung GS3 or 4. Wonder why??
Maybe Samsung isn't as much of a competitor as some make it out to be...Just sayin'.
Maybe Samsung isn't as much of a competitor as some make it out to be...Just sayin'.
That remains to be seen. Apple's marketshare is going down in a very fast and steady line. I see more samsung phones on the streets by youngsters then iPhones. I remember days when this was the other way around.
I'm impressed by this camera, it's clear much better then the iPhone 5 camera. But I like the iPhone better because even tough the photo's taken on my iPhone are for sure disappointing so are those taken on this new device all tough, fair enough, these are better for sure. But nothing beats digital DSLR photo camera's (yet) at this point. Both the iPhone and this new camera don't even get close to the quality of these (most expensive) DSLR camera's.
Strange. All I see is identical quality images post-processed differently. Nokia should know that the camera has nothing to do with the post-processing software. It's like when cheap SLRs seem to have lower noise levels than more expensive models, and then it turns out the camera uses noise-reduction to fool people.
Photography is not about capturing nice images straight out of the camera, it's about capturing images that contain as much useful information as possible so that you can work with that information towards something based on your own personal decisions.
Also, about their 41 Megapixel camera on their phone: they are simply treating their users as plain idiots, as anyone who thinks that a tiny sensor with that many pixels is good in any way probably knows nothing about what a megapixel is anyway. How come the most expensive, industry standard, professional cameras are around 18-21 megapixels, then? Surely the Nokia is still better than a Canon 1Dx since it has more megapixels
Photography is not about capturing nice images straight out of the camera, it's about capturing images that contain as much useful information as possible so that you can work with that information towards something based on your own personal decisions.
Also, about their 41 Megapixel camera on their phone: they are simply treating their users as plain idiots, as anyone who thinks that a tiny sensor with that many pixels is good in any way probably knows nothing about what a megapixel is anyway. How come the most expensive, industry standard, professional cameras are around 18-21 megapixels, then? Surely the Nokia is still better than a Canon 1Dx since it has more megapixels
Too many pages of posts already. I can't be bothered reading all of that, but I did want to post that I welcome this ad by Nokia. I have no desire to buy their phone or switch away from the iOS ecosystem (though I did get tempted before buying my iPhone 5 because I would kinda like a larger screen), but I use my iPhone to take photos quite a bit and I'd love for it to get better. If Nokia publicly shaming the iPhone's camera results in Apple spending some of their millions of dollars on kicking the camera performance up significantly, then I welcome it.
Quite honestly, I suspect that camera performance is already an area that Apple is planning on improving with the next iPhone.
Oh, and I agree with anyone here who already pointed out that increasing megapixels is not the way to go. It's already got plenty of megapixels. Increase the lens size (get more light in there), decrease the f-stop, and use high-quality glass for the lens.
Quite honestly, I suspect that camera performance is already an area that Apple is planning on improving with the next iPhone.
Oh, and I agree with anyone here who already pointed out that increasing megapixels is not the way to go. It's already got plenty of megapixels. Increase the lens size (get more light in there), decrease the f-stop, and use high-quality glass for the lens.
This is rather silly, it has nothing to do with Europe versus America. Phones are sold world wide these days. Wake up mate, this is 2013 ^^
I think it's a pretty effective ad. But "Knock-ia" (who knew?) is maybe overplaying their hand a bit. The photos I take with my iPhone usually look a lot better than the ones they are showing. I have a 4S. not a 5, but the reviews I saw said the 5 camera was an improvement.
Raw footage? How can we be sure that it is not processed in anyway by the camera subsystem? I would have to guess that the Nokia camera is not presenting us with a "raw footage" look without a flash and probably has an HDR-like system with multiple exposures taken during low light or extremely bright situations dynamically. Since we don't have the source code for the nokia camera app, there is no way of knowing what it is doing.
Unless if they have some kind of crazy new sensor, it is likely using some processing in the background to fill out the shadows and adjust the exposure.
Given this, I think it would be fair to turn on HDR on the iPhone. The reality is that these comparisons are looking at the full stack which includes the camera subsystem and camera app so we might as well look at all of the different modes they have to offer.
I also have a Nikon DSLR but I rarely take it with me so the best camera is the one you have on you.
I recently bought Olloclip 3 in one lens system for my iPhone 4S and have found the wide angle lens to be the most useful for downtown shots of builds. In some ways, it has changed my iPhone 4S to be a more versatile camera than my DSLR because I only have the starter lens on my Nikon and additional lenses are too damn expensive.
Does anyone want to buy a slightly used DSLR?
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When was that? I mean recently I could see that to some degree. The 5xx models are certainly cheap, but they seem pretty durable. What experiences led you to the low quality conclusion? Having looked through reviews, the biggest complaint seems to be earlier versions of the Windows phone software.
I agree on this for the fully 100%. Besides, competition = good. When other companies come out with better specs, like better camera's then the iPhone then this would surely encourage Apple to go even a step further. Good for Nokia to come up with such an expressive camera.
Uh I don't think so. Towards the very end he sounds like he's saying Nōk-ia. While most of the video it's already hard enough to distinguish if he's saying Knock or Nōk because he has a strong indian accent. Nice try but your argument isn't holding too well here. I've worked at a major cell phone company for 7 years and we spoke with the Nokia reps every month and each time they would send us a different rep to speak with and each time they pronounced it Nōk-ia.
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Nikon's D800 is a 36 megapixel camera. Does that mean Nokia's 41 Megapixel camera captures more detail and information? Umm, I think not. The sensor plays a huge role. And, Nokia's or Apple's camera sensor pales in comparison to Nikon's full frame sensor. Only the gullible uninformed consumer would jump on the Nokia bandwagon.
Things that really matter in a smartphone:
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Good move nokia, now people will totally switch to lumia and lol-windows-phone because of that!
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#942: color of the charger
#943: slightly better light sensitivity of the super-tiny, crappy built-in camera
Good move nokia, now people will totally switch to lumia and lol-windows-phone because of that!
You have a point to an extent. In order for Apple to even entertain ads like this it needs to make sense in terms of the overall need an demand. Just my take but I don't think people are buying smartphones because they are looking for the best camera on the market. Most people want a good multi-fuctioning phone but most of all they are putting forth interest in the carrier's plan. Who needs the best camera phone on the market and the plan sucks....not to mention being stuck with Windows 8 which represents zero competition for Apple so they may not necessarily acknowledge this camera ad.
I'm 99.99% certain Apple will improve camera quality in the next iPhone, they always pay attention to this with nearly every upgrade but this Nokia ad won't have any affect on it.