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There is only one Rolls Royce in the Computer world and that's Apple.
 
But that's the point. In a free market goods will sell for what the seller can get. The "worth" of something is reflected in the price. The fact that Apple can get 5-10% of the market despite charging so much says something - Acer, HP, Dell, etc. would price their machines over $1000 if they could get away with it.

in OSX apple have a unique differentiater (in that everyone else sells windows), the price of the 'hard' goods is separate.

Apple have created a (false) image with OSX and spread FUD about Vista, some deserved, some not so much.

again..why is any of this news..??
 
they sell an image and a vision of 'ease' which is rarely matched by the product itself.

Wrong. These products that "rarely match" the vision . . . are selling in record numbers each quarter. As in, there are more people buying them (of the target demographic, whether it's higher-income bracket or just people who happen to have disposble income.)

Apple has the highest customer satisfaction ratings in the industry - across their whole product line, several years running now.

Which means the goods reflect the vision. Easily.

Your opinions, however, don't quite reflect reality.
 
This sounds like a ridiculous statistic.
Most PCs aren't overpriced like macs, so it's obvious that PC buyers don't need to spend as much for the same level of performance.
 
There is only one Rolls Royce in the Computer world and that's Apple.

how dare you..>!!

RR don't get chinese kids to work for less than minimum wage in sweatshops do they..?

besides, if it weren't for RR engines then RR cars would have gone bust years ago.
 
love to see the numbers broken down by total price. I really would have thought those crazy gaming rigs (voodoo, falcon, alien ware) would have the $1,000+ market.
 
in OSX apple have a unique differentiater (in that everyone else sells windows), the price of the 'hard' goods is separate.

Apple have created a (false) image with OSX and spread FUD about Vista, some deserved, some not so much.

again..why is any of this news..??

You say it's a false image, yet Apple gets a lot of repeat buyers - in fact, a far smaller percentage of people migrate away from Macs than toward them. That's because people who buy Macs usually find that OSX actually lives up to their expectations better than does the competition. Thus these people are willing to pay more.

Look, almost every Mac user has lots of experience with Window - it's not as if we don't know what we're missing. We use windows at work. We used to have windows machines. We still have windows machines. We've spent hours of our lives updating antivirus programs or running adaware. We've reinstalled fresh copies of windows on our sister-in-law's machines because malware took over. We've stared befuddled at the screen as the volume icon disappears at random from the tray. We've hand-edited the registry to fix problems. We get how windows works, and what the windows experience means. And, apparently, many of us are willing to pay extra for a different experience.
 
This sounds like a ridiculous statistic.
Most PCs aren't overpriced like macs, so it's obvious that PC buyers don't need to spend as much for the same level of performance.

The unfortunate part is that PC users are then subject to Windows and the Microsoft ecosystem, if you can call it that.
 
Q1 2010 Revenue by Product

Desktop: $1.7 billion, up 62 percent from $1 billion a year earlier.

Portables: $2.76 billion, up 9 percent from $2.52 billion a year earlier.

iPod: $3.4 billion, up 1 percent from $3.37 billion a year earlier.

Music: $1.16 billion, up 15 percent from $1.01 billion a year earlier.

iPhone: $5.6 billion, up 90 percent from $2.9 billion a year earlier.

Peripherals: $469 million, up 21 percent from $387 million a year earlier.

Software & Services: $631 million, up 4 percent from $606 million a year earlier.

So that dude was lying? :rolleyes:
 
how dare you..>!!

RR don't get chinese kids to work for less than minimum wage in sweatshops do they..?

besides, if it weren't for RR engines then RR cars would have gone bust years ago.
RR cars are owned by BMW. RR (the aircraft engine maker) is a completely different company.

The correct analogy is: Apple is the Cadillac of computers. You pay a premium and get Chevy parts (no offense intended to Cadillac owners).
 
This explains why Apple is trying to get into lower-cost compters -- they don't have much room to grow in the more expensive areas. Geeze, Apple's been a juggernaut the last couple of years.
 
Wrong. These products that "rarely match" the vision . . . are selling in record numbers each quarter. As in, there are more people buying them (of the target demographic, whether it's higher-income bracket or just people who happen to have disposble income.)

Apple has the highest customer satisfaction ratings in the industry - across their whole product line, several years running now.

Which means the goods reflect the vision. Easily.

Your opinions, however, don't quite reflect reality.

280m computers will be sold worldwide, Apple will take 12m of that...work it out.

not many people really.....for record numbers. :rolleyes:

highest satisfaction ratings..?

well seeing as the survey sample will be small, a few things to consider...

1/ Are PC users, when stating their happiness or not comparing the OS or the hardware or both..?
2/ Mac users are rarely rational. There was a guy who had his logic board replaced 5 times (another MR thread) on his MB and was still delighted with it.!:rolleyes:
3/ iPhone issues are really just AT&T issues despite no BB complainers and they sell more!:rolleyes:


listen fella, I know I won't change your mind, I'm not trying to. I hope it all works out well for you.

just wanted to let you know that there's a dozen or so of us over here laughing like mad at you with your Mac obsession.

You know when people say they hate Mac users? look in the mirror....its you!
 
That quote is by betanews, and not from NPD. If the NPD numbers tell us anything, it's that Apple computers are more expensive than other PC's, and that Apple is over-charging for what they offer.

Good for shareholders, but not for consumers.


My mac has lasted almost 3 times as long as any PC in my household, LT should factor - I would rather pay a bit of a premium instead of 4 years of repair and replacement.
 
Mac users are rarely rational.

Considering most of them were at one time Windows users and *are* Windows users in the workplace. When, exactly, did the irrationality kick in? Was it on the 6th or 7th re-install of Windows? How many spyware cleanings does it take? Etc.
 

So how does this help the PC manufacturers? The average selling price is going down, despite Windows 7 OEM licenses being more expensive than the XP licenses they have replaced, which means they earn even less now. MS having good sales due to accumulated 9 years of pent-up demand is not exactly great news, especially since Apple still grows at twice the rate of the market as a whole.
 
You are aware that their record numbers are record even taking the accounting method into account, right? You are aware that Apple went back two years and re-released their results using the new method, so it's easy to compare? And you certainly don't mean to accuse Apple of securities fraud by saying "Apple record profits they made last quarter while good were not as good as apple reported" because you understand that under the 1933 and 1934 securities acts, apple's actual profits must be "as good as apple reported?"

But they did nothing wrong. Just they got a boost because a lot of unaccounted for money got added in. That was my understanding. It explain the over billion dollar unexpected jump. Nothing illegal about it just it makes the numbers look bigger in a burst.

Record sales is just ufimism for shrinking market :eek: I did learn something new today.

Think about it. I pointed out that the market is getting smaller. It is shifting downward at a rapid rate. Sales can go up but the market still can be shinking. Like I said 5 years ago high end was 2k. now it is 1k. That tells me the market is shifting downward so what is consider premium is moving down with it. I would not be surpised in the least to see apples 3k+ computers dropping in sales as more and more people move to cheaper computers. You have to look to the very top end to see why I said it is shinking as the very top end pushes closer and closer to the $1000 mark every week.

$500-700 on the tower is getting to be very upper midrange. AMD offers their quad cores starting at $99 and quite a few vendors are taking advantage of that. I've seen the prices on viable performance video cards drop from $300 to $100-179 in the past 3 years alone.

Spending more than $1,000 on something that's not a notebooks requires a lot of commitment, a grant, or a business expense.

I think that is my point. 5 years ago a $600-700 computer was consider entry level. Now that is mid range. Mid range 5-5.5 years ago was $1500. I built my PC 5.5 years ago at a cost of around $1500 for the tower and all and all it was just a mid range computer back then.

The monitor was $500. 5.5 years a go a high end 17in LCD monitor was $500. That should give people here an idea on how quickly prices drops.

I would not be surpised in 5 years time to see apple market to have shunk. a $1000 is premuim now. That puts $2000+ top of the line area. 5 years ago that price point was $3000. As top of the line prices start heading down it starts showing.
 
I think 90% of people paid too much for their hardware then. People buy iMacs because they are all in one, shiny and look nice in their home - there is nothing wrong with this. The specs however are absolutely appalling compared to the current stuff coming out that you could put in a $1000 PC.

For that sort of price on the PC you are looking at i7, HD 5850, USB 3, Blu Ray, 8 GB Ram etc... And if anything needs changing you just open it up and upgrade.

Yes Snow Leopard is good, but so is Windows 7.

I think people would definitely give a thought to buying an iMac if Snow Leopard was available for any system.
 
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