I don't get why people consider a computer that costs more than $1000 "too expensive." I paid $999 for a PowerMac 7200 in 1996 (sans display). That's more like $1500 in today's dollars. If a 15 year old like me could scrounge and save for a quality product back then, surely today's tech saturated middle-class can buy a $1199 iMac. People are just cheap I guess.
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Not the best analogy, they stopped selling Yugos in the US due to United Nations sanctions after the civil war in the former Yugoslavia.
Times change. Most people simply do not need the power of computers that cost more than one grand. Your average $800 PC is more powerful than 90% of the Macs.
So Dell is not in the PC business to make money? Then WTF are they doing in that market then?
Most people have old keyboards, mice, and monitors lying around. WTF would they go spend all that money on new ones. Apple even markets that you should bring your own on their website.
You need to understand how big companies operate. They sign big contracts which usually include all kinds of stuff: servers, desktops, laptops, service etc. The vendor offering more options has better chances to win the contract.
But that's more than Apple market share (worldwide)
So? I always hear y'all tout this around. Apart from Apple who else has marketshare in the desktop place besides Microsoft? We all know Microsoft has the PC companies by the balls which is why they are around that much. What are the other operating systems with marketshare besides Apple and Microsoft since Apple's figure is so bloody low?
It's somewhat strange to hear this from [supposedly] style conscious Apple fan. Mismatching keyboard and a desktop? Anyone?
LOL so now it's 2011. I remember when it was 2005, then 2006, then 2007, then 08, then 09. Now it's 2011. LOL.
you seem to not understand that Dell and Apple are 2 different types of companies
Dell is a hardware/professional services company
Apple develops software and sells hardware along with it
if you want to compare Apple R/D then compare to MS, but not to Dell, because that isn't what they do
when did i say they weren't in the business to make money, what i said is that their business model is built on the home PC market. they make their money in professional services/smb/enterprise segments
and this whole notion that Apple is a premium product is a red herring, they use the same damn parts that come out of the same damn factories that PC makers use, the difference is the OS and that really is just a matter or personal perference more than anything else, and no Mac OS isn't any more of less secure than Windows, just that there are more systems out there using Windows so it makes no sense for hackers and the sort to write something that doesn't affect the majority of users
FYI. This discussion is about the market share of computers (as in hardware) costing more than $1K. This BTW, includes Linux-based systems. What does Microsoft have to do with this? Also, keep in mind that most Mac users install Windows OS as well. So how do you split those Macs between Apple and MS?
I don't know that this is a good thing. It just means macs are overpriced. The bulk of all computer sales are below $1000 and market share proves that where mac only has 5% with the rest being windows based PC's. (ok, linux does have 1%)
Apple can have the $1000+ market and more power to them. But computers don't need to cost that much.
Apple can have the $1000+ market and more power to them. But computers don't need to cost that much.
Like I said...call me when Apple hits 10% and 15% personal computer marketshare...until then, Apple is still a minority. A very small minority, I might add, of the personal computer industry.
You think I hate Apple...I'm just stating the facts. This report is nice that 90% of personal computers sold over $1000 were Apple. Yawn...that's like reading 90% of cars over $300,000 sold were Bentleys. The report is stating nothing but the obvious since the PC industry, really, doesn't play in the $1000+ sector unless it's high end gaming machines (Macs have never been a gaming machine) or business related workstations/servers. This report is not counting business workstations/servers because, GASP!, you don't buy those at Best Buy or Walmart.
-Eric
I'm sure you hear the screams of a thousand Mac users when Windows is installed on a Mac.
Microsoft just counts the money made from the software license and goes on with another day...
No in other words, you're making up excuses for Dell's diminishing profits. Go read the article in the Wall Street Journal about Windows 7 doing ******** to boost the proofit for Windows PC makers. Keep burying your head in the sand.
Why shouldn't we compare them, they both make computers. We can compare their PC business. Come up with something else.
What XP/Vista pain? Even after the quick success of Windows 7, you'll find that many XP users, if not *most* XP users, don't want to move to 7. I think most of Windows 7 current success comes from new computers. The fact that a lot of XP users aren't moving and a lot of Vista users are moving just says something, for whatever reason, the public perception of 7 is WAY better than Vista.
Specifically about the consumer market, I would go ahead and consider the Zune brand and the WM OS failure **or** close to fail. The Zune HD is a nice device, but there is no specific demand for it; there are a lot of PMPs out there. WM sucks (imho) and those kick ass phones like the HTC HD2 will do MUCH better with Android (please OEMs just drop WM now). I don't have many hopes for WM7 either.
But, other than Windows, we also have Office. OpenOffice is not even close to how easy and nice to use Office 07 is. If you have some time, try the Office 2010 beta. It's almost the same, a few interface changes around, but it feels extremely fast compared to 07.
And the Xbox brand is a huge success, in terms of popularity. This is, ignoring the financial blackhole some people claim it is, and the fact that 50% of the consoles die. But in terms of popularity, it's a huge success.
But going back on topic: I'm impressed, actually, that more than 90% of the >$1000 PC sales belong to Apple, but as many have mentioned already in this thread, this doesn't tell the whole story.
All in all, have we ever lived in such a nice time in the tech industry? Competition is always good. Good times coming ahead.
Not really. They just wouldn't sell that many. And when one looks at market share it's clear they aren't selling that many.
Glad to hear they're doing so well
Apple is my favourite company. Hands down. I'm glad to hear their success and I just love the stuff that they've been putting out and I love the philosophy and thought that seems to go into every new release.
If Apple's the only one who seems to put money into industrial design, their own OS and its design (that I happen to think is better), their own applications, and yes... marketing, they why on earth would they not cost more than the PCs? They're the only ones putting research and thought into anything. Microsoft does a good job, for what they have to work with, but it turns out that they don't have the kind of control to make a product like Apple makes. Still love Microsoft. Just love Apple more.
People who don't get Macs seem to be like the muscle head at the gym who doesn't get why he doesn't get women.
"I have bigger muscles than you, so why do you get all the chicks?"
"Because, dear PC, I also dress well, have my own thoughts, wear cologne, am charismatic, appreciate the arts, have personality, and because of my Intel Insides, I can grow muscles as large as you."
We've figured this out long ago. You don't just need a fast horse but a well behaved one that doesn't look stupid. With cars, it's not just the fastest that are appreciated, but the ones with better handling, upholstery, design. You can spend $5 for a McDonald's meal, but sometimes you want something better.
Apple is my favourite company. Hands down. I'm glad to hear their success and I just love the stuff that they've been putting out and I love the philosophy and thought that seems to go into every new release.
If Apple's the only one who seems to put money into industrial design, their own OS and its design (that I happen to think is better), their own applications, and yes... marketing, they why on earth would they not cost more than the PCs? They're the only ones putting research and thought into anything. Microsoft does a good job, for what they have to work with, but it turns out that they don't have the kind of control to make a product like Apple makes. Still love Microsoft. Just love Apple more.
People who don't get Macs seem to be like the muscle head at the gym who doesn't get why he doesn't get women.
"I have bigger muscles than you, so why do you get all the chicks?"
"Because, dear PC, I also dress well, have my own thoughts, wear cologne, am charismatic, appreciate the arts, have personality, and because of my Intel Insides, I can grow muscles as large as you."
We've figured this out long ago. You don't just need a fast horse but a well behaved one that doesn't look stupid. With cars, it's not just the fastest that are appreciated, but the ones with better handling, upholstery, design. You can spend $5 for a McDonald's meal, but sometimes you want something better.
i don't think i've ever heard of someone running out to buy a new computer of any kind just because there is a new OS, they run out and buy the new OS, so the Wall Street Journal article seems a bit out of place
and i've got a bridge i'd like to sell to the guy who actually thinks any OS release means a big boost in new computer sales
Do you even try to understand what people are writing? DELL might be in bad shape but it does not mean that all PC companies are. Do you even know that HP makes twice as much profits as Apple? Ignorance is a bliss.
Errrrrrrrrrr they are increasing sales, increasing revenues, and profits. Why should they care if they outsell every PC company. As long as the marketshare is at a level to keep software developers on board, who gives a **** if they have more marketshare than all the PC companies combined. I'm sure Apple don't and the 40 billion agrees with this.