Nvidia just thinks Apple should let them run the graphics system. Apple wants them to write their drivers the way they want them to. It’s a two-way street.
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Nvidia on Its Lack of macOS Mojave Drivers for Newer Graphics Cards: 'It's Up to Apple to Approve Them'
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Evidently I did not explain very well. The only reason the Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, and iMac Pro exist is for marketing purposes. Essentially they are abandoned products once the KeyNote announcing them is over because either they are hobbled machines, or simply never updated again for years. Its been that way for the last 10 years. Why does anyone think Apple cares about the Pro market, well excepting Apple's desire to call an iPad a pro device and the only computer one will ever need.
One word, Eyefinity; Nvidia choose not to compete with AMD Eyefinity. Announced in 2009 with HD 5xxx (Evergreen) and FirePro series, Eyefinity supports six DP displays. Examples:
nMP: 6x 4K or 3x 5K external displays = 6 DP displays
iMac Pro: 1x 5K internal + 4x 4K or 2x 5K external displays = 6 DP displays
MBP/15: 1x internal + 4x 4K or 2x 5K external displays = 5 DP displays
Nvidia, then and now, GeForce and Quadro, architecturally supports only four displays. Nvidia clearly satisfies Pro performance requirements and choses not to satisfy at least one Pro capability requirement. Simply, Nvidia has not accepted Apple controls the display connectors on its products.
Nvidia did not upset Apple, rather Nvidia made and still makes it impossible for Apple to buy Nvidia graphics cards. In conclusion, the only reason Nvidia Web drivers are not available for Mojave is Nvidia.
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It really is quite the joke that Apple hasn't made graphic options even more compatible as the years go on.... it's 2018, wake up Apple.
Ummm... Eyefinity is a Windows-only feature for AMD cards. Nvidia has a similar feature they call Vision Surround, which is also not supported in MacOS. The same is true for Crossfire (AMD) or SLI (Nvidia) under MacOS.
Macs don't have a gimmicky name for displaying multiple monitors. I think they just call it "Yeah, you can connect up to 3 monitors on the Mac Pro 5,1 with HD 5770; Or, 6 monitors if you have a second HD 5770."
Feedback Assistant. Feedback Assistant. Feedback Assistant.
Let's SPAM Apple until they hear us.
Let's SPAM Apple until they hear us.
Honestly they don't give a crap what customers think or want as they've shown very well throughout last couple of years
Apple is going to move OSX to ARM together with their own GPU design so we can all play iOS ported games on a new $7k Mac Pro at 200FPS.
I feel the same way as you do. Apple doesn't do things it can't really profit from. I'm also surprised NVidia would waste its time helping out Apple as Apple mainly supports AMD Radeon hardware. I find it sickening that Apple doesn't have a single computer that has even one industry-standard PCIe slot. If I were NVidia, I wouldn't even look in the direction of Apple. Apple doesn't even give users a choice of what graphics card they can use. Those Radeon chips are nothing but home heaters, sucking power like no tomorrow. I honestly don't understand Apple not using NVidia GPUs when they're more powerful and consume less energy in the same package. Apple with its skinny cases needs some GPU that puts out less heat.
There is so many apps that needs CUDA to run, such as renderers, particle generators in 3d softwares and many others. This is not about us - peoples who wants to have easier life and make things better. This is not about proffesionality. This is just about Apple's and nVidia's vanity, and their child's play. Suddenly, AMD is out of horizon and nearly no application supports AMD to help with calculations.
Nearly six weeks after the release of macOS Mojave, web drivers for Nvidia graphics cards released in 2014 and later remain unavailable for the latest operating system, resulting in compatibility issues. This includes Nvidia graphics cards based on its Maxwell, Pascal, and Turing architecture.
While some customers have expressed frustration towards Nvidia, a spokesperson for the company informed MacRumors that "while we post the drivers, it's up to Apple to approve them," and suggested that we contact Apple. We followed that advice, but Apple has yet to respond to multiple requests for comment.
As a result of the lack of web drivers, external GPUs with an Nvidia graphics card released in 2014 or later have compatibility issues with any Mac running macOS Mojave. Likewise, any Mid 2010 or Mid 2012 Mac Pro upgraded with 2014-or-newer Nvidia graphics is incompatible with the operating system.
Nvidia warns that affected customers who upgrade to macOS Mojave may experience degraded rendering and performance on that version, according to discussions on the Nvidia Developers Forums and MacRumors Forums.
macOS Mojave requires a graphics card that supports Apple's graphics framework Metal, but until updated web drivers are released, many newer Nvidia graphics cards such as the GeForce GTX 1080 are incompatible with the operating system. In the meantime, some users have downgraded back to macOS High Sierra.
Nvidia's Quadro K5000 and GeForce GTX 680 are already Metal-capable and compatible with macOS Mojave, according to an Apple support document.
macOS Mojave is compatible with any MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, iMac, iMac Pro, Mac mini, and Mac Pro released in 2012 or later, in addition to Mid 2010-Mid 2012 models of the Mac Pro with a Metal-capable graphics card.
Nvidia graphics cards based on Kepler architecture, which Apple offered in various Macs between 2012 and 2014, are fully compatible with macOS Mojave. Apple has since switched to AMD as its dedicated graphics card provider.
There is some debate as to whether Apple, Nvidia, or both companies are to blame for the lack of web drivers, which are usually released within a few days after a major macOS release. If we learn any new information, we'll share it.
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You DO realize that Apple has to approve and then SIGN the drivers, right? Nvidia is at their mercy over this.
Ummm, yeah because I like swapping displays to different ports everytime I boot into another OS. Besides, it is harder to get hackintosh computers working with the internal GPU and a dedicated one installed at the same time.
I just hacked the nVidia OS compatibility check; so I am running with the latest security update High Sierra and Web drivers 387.10.10.10.40.105. Seems to be working just fine.
That implies that they're going through the app store. Historically nVidia has released drivers via its own website. I suppose if you don't use non-Apple Nvidia cards you wouldn't know that.
Yeah I suspect this is more on nVidia than Apple. As long as nVidia has the dev credentials to sign their own KEXT then it really is on nVidia to make it work. Although the list of Apple computers that can accept a modern nVidia card is pretty slim.
I really hope that Apple eventually returns to NVIDIA or at least offers some sign of support for them either in the way of eGPUs or iMacs/15" MacBook Pros that have their GPUs in tow.
Those days were actually kind of nice (save, of course for the GeForce 8600M GT era of 2007 and 2008 or the first two revs of Retina MacBook Pro [certainly that Mid 2012 15" non-retina was all the better of a machine for having that GT 650M).
But yeah, support for NVIDIA GPUs on the high end (iMac Pro or Mac Pro) would also be helpful as it's not like Adobe doesn't have a clear and obvious preference for NVIDIA in all of their applications. If nothing else, it'd give me a reason to stop recommending PCs to Adobe users over Macs.
Those days were actually kind of nice (save, of course for the GeForce 8600M GT era of 2007 and 2008 or the first two revs of Retina MacBook Pro [certainly that Mid 2012 15" non-retina was all the better of a machine for having that GT 650M).
But yeah, support for NVIDIA GPUs on the high end (iMac Pro or Mac Pro) would also be helpful as it's not like Adobe doesn't have a clear and obvious preference for NVIDIA in all of their applications. If nothing else, it'd give me a reason to stop recommending PCs to Adobe users over Macs.
Removed Nvidia card, installed RX 580, done. Full native support.
It isn't a question of protocol. It's a question of taking responsibility for the end users experience. No one should have had to ask Nvidia what the issue was. They should have come right out and said "we recognize the issue our device has with the newest version of the MacOS, and this is what we have done so far and what we plan to do as we try and resolve peoples issues." I don't really care who is at fault. I care that Nvidia didn't take responsibility.
It's called zero step resolution. When a customer has to ask why a product doesn't work the company is already behind and they should not only fix the issue but apologize and take ownership for the customer doing their job.
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yup. running 580 here in the meantime too. fingers crossed for nvidia drivers, but not a fan of all this silent drama.
Pricing out a thread ripper workstation right now after testing the crap out of team render with my iMac and PC in C4d, which can use all PCs on a network to cooperatively render. It's nice and might let me stay on a Mac a while longer if I don't want to learn a CUDA based render engine. Lord knows hacking nVidia cards to run in eGPUs is the sort of thing I wanted to avoid by using a Mac.
The list is pretty big: Modern Macs with TB3.
Or rather, it would be big if nVidia and Apple could stop slap fighting and get us drivers and CUDA released for Mojave.
The list is pretty big: Modern Macs with TB3.
Or rather, it would be big if nVidia and Apple could stop slap fighting and get us drivers and CUDA released for Mojave.
I'm running Mojave on an Nvidia 680 and the performance is good on standard Apple drivers.