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Oct 12 Event For Power Macs & Powerbooks?

steve_hill4 said:
From the topic on the original iPod

It may be so funny looking back on it now, but some here will look equally as stupid in a few years. Us in the pro-video camp may be wrong as people gravitate towards a different technology or even brand of portable video device. Those in the anti-camp would look pretty stupid if it was launched next Wednesday and sold a bucketful before Christmas and went on to be a massive hit, changing people's viewing habits.

Either way, I want to revisit this topic when the next huge iPod-type technology, (whatever it could be), to laugh at our fighting and arguments for and against.
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$400 for a media player received criticism because of the price, not the product's function.

The video iPod is being criticized because it's dumb idea and useless. Streaming to my 52" HDTV would make much more sense then watching Spiderman on a bus..wait I have a car...on a plane...wait I don't need to fly...wait I'm not IT...hmmm. Nope, just don't see a need. If I did need to watch a movie on a microscopic screen to waste 20 minutes somewhere at some point, I'd buy one of those 5" DVD players at BB and play the burned bootleg movie. Sure I may look silly if a video iPod does come out, and I do remember the music player threads about the first iPod, I defended the iPod. I do not defend a $400 matchbook video player. How stupid will you look if it doesn't come out? Maybe because I paid a lot of money to have a big screen HDTV I can't fathom a microscopic one?

If it's just an iPod that plays video, it won't be released this early on the tails of the Nano.
 
AidenShaw said:
Apple is telling developers to write code for Dothan - the current single CPU 32-bit Pentium M. They aren't telling them to write for next year's Merom, or even Yonah in December.
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Don't you think it would be a tad bit difficult to write code for a chip that doesn't exist? No developer tool for OSX supports Merom or Yonah. Whats more there isn't hardware to test the code on...

Kind of makes sense to tell the developers to write the code for the platform they are sending to the developers to develop the software on.
 
Kid Red said:
Yea, the same 5 people who have a PSP? (and hold it up to their faced while watching)

Yea, $400+ to kill 20 minutes? Yea, those few hundred people who fly enough and are board enough and have enough money to spend $400+ to watch movies on a matchbook. Yea, you're right, no market what so ever.

I keep forgetting, there are millions of college kids who fly back and forth daily that have $400+ to spend on a matchbook video player. Or the millions of high school teens who are waiting for a router moving firmware.

After all, it's those highschool and college kids who are Apple's iPod generation, not those in business class on Delta or IT guys wasting company time watching that movie on their business card iPod.
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Yah because 20 minutes is the very maximum any of us ever has to spend waiting.
19:38, 19:56, 20:00 but NEVER, NEVER anything above 20 minutes. Which is cool because I can time my bus exactly by that 20 minutes of spare time I have. And if you think college kids don’t watch movies and share movies you are delusional. Take a look at the average kids flash drive and see what’s on it sometime. Finally: price. If $400 was really an issue Apple would have been out of business long ago. Sales have show that people are willing, yes even college kids that get price breaks, to spend a premium on an iPod. And please give up the BS about business card sized screens. You and I both know that if Apple does put out a video iPod its going to be larger then a bloody business card. What next? Going to bitch that a portable DVD display is too small? Or maybe a 17” PowerBook is too small too.
 
This is great. It feels like old times around here. Rumblings from all over the web, contradictary reports. We've had such a slow year in the rumor department, and to top it off, all of our "reliable sources" completely missed the switch to intel thing, well except the New York Times, but who believes them anyway.

Just wanted to say that it feels great to see speculation flying all around us. Here's hoping for bumped PBs and dual dual PMs on tuesday with a video iPod on Wednesday... we all win.
 
With all the speculation on what the one more thing is, I think we all may be missing this

http://techdigestuk.typepad.com/tech_digest/2004/08/is_this_apples_.html

and more info on it: http://www.theregister.com/2004/08/13/apple_tablet_mac/

Silverpilot03 brought this link up on another forum and it has just been passed over. Stop and think how this would fit it to the ipod move player.

Large enough to not be a drag in watching movies, having wireless capabilities to send movies to your TV, large hardrive, fast processor (maybe even some intel media processor in it) and yet small enough to be VERY portable. It would make sense with a movie store as well. In addition, the 'tablet' would be flexible enough to do other things as well.

Perhaps we are all thinking inside the box. Perhaps this is Steve's 'ONE MORE THING" I think this 'tablet' could be the overgrown Ipod video or the mac mini media center that is portable.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
SiliconAddict said:
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Sit in first class :D


A video iPod maybe more portable but it's not the same as the move Laptop vs Mp3 player thing. We've been carrying our music with us on portable devices for decades. Walkman's, Discman's, and now iPods. It's just simple evolution of the same concept. Video is different because often having a larger device (screen) is an advantage. Few people carry around a video device because of the disadvantage of the small screen. Portable DVD players are a happy medium but the low price of laptops stopped them from taking off-- again having a bigger device for video is often a plus where it's not for music.

At best, I think Apple is going to announce music videos will be playable on the iPod not movies. That's why the icons in itunes 5 say "video" instead of "movie" or "film".

I don't give a **** about watching music videos as most of them are just incoherent pieces of crap anyway.
 
"Apple leaks two seemingly conflicting reports to major rumors sites and the rumor world goes into anarchy guessing which one is right all the while missing the big picture: they're both right!"

Or both could be wrong!

I say it's a new product completely.

I don't think you can do a vipod w/o really changing it's form and not in a good way. The psp is too small for movies but ok for videos and tv shows IMO. I can't see a video ipod working at a size not at least = to that of a psp.

So. How about a new Apple PDA? 40gb....a screen similar to the psp. a small nano-style click wheel...and tons of features both seen and unseen in other PDA's. Give it the ability to play video and market it to buisiness men who want to watch video of meetings on flights...or the train....etc.

A whole new product that allows Apple to go into portable video w/o bastardizing the ipod. Let Apple perfect video on a PDA and integrate it into the ipod by say the 7G. For now the ipod remains the best MUSIC player one can buy. So,what does the 5G have to offer? RADIO! In addition to being smaller and sleeker w/ 20 hour battery the 5G finally offers radio. Of course the nano would get radio by 2g.

And as for a 2G PDA.....can you say cell phone? A 2G Apple PDA would end up being a rokr,a psp,a palm and a treo all in one in a unit slightly bigger then a current ipod but smaller then a psp.
 
Kid Red said:
$400 for a media player received criticism because of the price, not the product's function.

The video iPod is being criticized because it's dumb idea and useless. Streaming to my 52" HDTV would make much more sense then watching Spiderman on a bus..wait I have a car...on a plane...wait I don't need to fly...wait I'm not IT...hmmm. Nope, just don't see a need. If I did need to watch a movie on a microscopic screen to waste 20 minutes somewhere at some point, I'd buy one of those 5" DVD players at BB and play the burned bootleg movie.
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Everyone lets all skim that previous thread posted from when Apple released the first iPod. Bet money there is at least one person in there who says something along the line of: I don't need it. I can burn MP3's to my CD player. Who would ever want a MP3 player? This is stupid. Blah blah blah blah blah...
 
greenmonsterman said:
...We've had such a slow year in the rumor department, and to top it off, all of our "reliable sources" completely missed the switch to intel thing, well except the New York Times, but who believes them anyway.
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I didn't know that the NY Times leaked the Intel rumor.

Oh yeah, that's because it was the Wall Street Journal that did it. :rolleyes:
 
steve_hill4 said:
That's one of my pet peeves too. Not far behind people who call a PIN a Personal Identification Number number.
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Me too, though I worked at Tesco not too long ago, and if you just said PIN to someone they tended to just look back at you confused. :p
 
BGil said:
Sit in first class :D


A video iPod maybe more portable but it's not the same as the move Laptop vs Mp3 player thing. We've been carrying our music with us on portable devices for decades. Walkman's, Discman's, and now iPods. It's just simple evolution of the same concept. Video is different because often having a larger device (screen) is an advantage. Few people carry around a video device because of the disadvantage of the small screen. Portable DVD players are a happy medium but the low price of laptops stopped them from taking off-- again having a bigger device for video is often a plus where it's not for music.

At best, I think Apple is going to announce music videos will be playable on the iPod not movies. That's why the icons in itunes 5 say "video" instead of "movie" or "film".

I don't give a **** about watching music videos as most of them are just incoherent pieces of crap anyway.
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Best response I've read yet. Thanks. Portable DVD players may be a happy medium but the nature of needing to carry media is something most, well at least I'm not happy with. Don't know about other people but I hate taking my disks with me. I'm always scared I'm going to leave the pack lying around accidentally. By and large I'm toting about $300-$600 worth of movies with me when I travel. (assuming $20 per disk.) That is what's cool about the iPod. No media to manage. Again I'm going to question: What is the right sized screen then? Most can agree that 2" is too small for anything other then clips. 3" Is still too small. 4"? 5"? 6"? 12"? 17"?
 
OCOTILLO said:
Can you imagine how much fun Steve Jobs is having with all these rumors floating around? The man is a genius at getting free advertising.
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you know, i dont want to sound like a miser, but i dont equate Jobs with fun. ive just never put the two together.
 
"One more thing...." = "The last PPC-based Macs"

Here's another interpretation of the 'curtain call' and 'one more thing...' catch phrase:

This could be the announcement of the last of the PPC lineage macs (either PowerMac, PowerBooks, both) before they go Intel next year.

The curtain and the phrase are both indicative of a grand finale.

I hope Apple has been holding off on releasing new powerbooks so that they could make these last PPC-based notebooks really special. Maybe even (dare I say it) G5 PowerBooks?

I'll buy whatever updated PB Apple can release, but I'd be all over a G5 PB.

Cheers
 
I think that a 12" screen is probably the minimum sized screen that I could realistically watch movies on. I HAVE watched movies on my P900 and PSP, but they're not great.

Now, episodes of the simpsons on the other hand...
 
p0intblank said:
Ah, this is reassuring. :) An iPod video would be awesome, but let's face it... the nano was released just about a month ago and a new iPod would totally steal some sales from it.
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COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT

PRODUCTS

for

COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT

CONSUMERS

and about that whole "I can watch video on my laptop" argument...well you can listen to music on your laptop too, so have fun carrying your 17" Powerbook in your pocket!!! You don't have a big press event right before the Holiday Shopping season kicks into gear to announce computers that sell to professionals. Out of Apple's main lines (iBooks, Powerbooks, iMac, Power Macs, Mac Minis) I'm gonna venture a guess that Apple sells less Power Macs than any other Mac, and the Powerbooks have nowhere to upgrade to. I'm calling BS on Think Secret as a diversionary tactic by Apple.

That being said...I have cash on hand for a new top-of-the-line maxxed out Dual Dual Power Mac
 
MrSugar said:
Let's recap for all those people to lazy to read all of my thread ;)

- There is absolutely no way Apple will jump the gun on Intel Macs

- Thinksecret has the best cred of any rumor site, and until they mess up we have no reason to doubt anything they say

- Apple's main profit comes from selling computers, not iPod's. With both the Powermac and Powerbook lines out of date, new versions make complete sense
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Responses to the 3 points:

1. I don't think Apple has said quite what you report, although I'd be interested in quotes that prove otherwise. They said Macs will be "in the market" BY June 2006. They did not say when those Macs would ENTER the market. And they said the transition would be largely complete BY June 2007, and that consumer Macs would be among the first. Again, they've given a "latest date" not an "earliest date." I can see the Xserve changing last in 2007 for instance, but I see no reason to be CERTAIN there will be no Intel pro Macs next year. And reason to be CERTAIN of no Intel Macs at all before WWDC. I think Intel Macs now is VERY unlikely, but not impossible from Apple's statements. January is my bet.

2. ThinkSecret has gotten several big facts wrong, and AI has gotten some big ones right. TS has a great record, but you can't tell anything certain just by placing TS over AI. And I don't think Apple is afraid of high-end iPods cannibalizing the nano. High-end iPods make more money for Apple anyway. Both ends of the product line are important, and neither has to "hurt" the other.

3. New Macs soon makes perfect sense--but promoting them in this way (big event with theater curtains) doesn't.
 
Here's what I hope for, and think is possible (but unlikely): iTunes video store. H.264 encoded videos that you can download. Near DVD quality, around 500mb downloads. New Airport Express streams your movies to your TV and stereo. New G4 PowerBooks and G5 PowerMacs. PowerMacs are dual core, PowerBooks are HD.

Once the movie store proves itself, Apple will release the iPod video, because there is no longer the problem of no content. You can hook it up to TV's- always have your DVD collection with you, or you can watch video podcasts on the built in screen.

I think if they worked overtime, they could've gotten all that ready behind the scenes.
 
Well I was waiting for iPod video, however if PMs will be updated, then the iMac will receive an update soon too, which is always welcome :D

I hope that PMs will get faster GPUs, so iMac will also get something more powerful than Mobil. Radeon 9600
 
video itunes

If you lok at the red curtains behind the 'one more thing' they look like cinema curtains..could it mean a iTunes store for movies?
 
Blu-Ray!

I hereby predict Blu-Ray DVD playing drives in PowerMac and PowerBook.

Oh, and one more thing...you can use iTunes to sync your DVDs to your iPod movie player.
 
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