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So New Hush Puppy running hushed PSU is looking good...
CPU stable 57.3C - 57.5C.
PSU stable 34.8 - 34.9C, (23% humidity).
Worrking it hard (1Gb photoshop file, repeatedly applying Sharpen More) brought those temps up to CPU 58.3C (where the fan kicks up a speed and took the temp down again) PSU 35.7C (22% humidity).
CPU stable 57.3C - 57.5C.
PSU stable 34.8 - 34.9C, (23% humidity).
Worrking it hard (1Gb photoshop file, repeatedly applying Sharpen More) brought those temps up to CPU 58.3C (where the fan kicks up a speed and took the temp down again) PSU 35.7C (22% humidity).
OK, so I'm now back on the original Hush Puppy*, lets see how it goes, early signs are encouraging, temperatures are looking OK.
It's not fully up to temperature, but I'm looking at...
CPU 51.0C
PSU 31.3C (31% humidity)
*it took a while to put back together.
[doublepost=1459117459][/doublepost]It still hangs a lot. Hmm...
It's not fully up to temperature, but I'm looking at...
CPU 51.0C
PSU 31.3C (31% humidity)
*it took a while to put back together.
[doublepost=1459117459][/doublepost]It still hangs a lot. Hmm...
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Nice Thread!
If it is the card in the picture and you didn't flash it (sorry, if I overlooked it, in case you mentioned) and only installed the SIL drivers, then it is not bootable. I have a similar one (different PCB colour and the chip with the brown boarders is missing, rest the same) and I now and then recommended the card you pictured to some Forum members as a cheap method to get SATA.
IF you don't want to flash, you can use a SATA to IDE adapter and connect the drive to your IDE-cable, that will be faster already, since the difference is mostly in access times. (The ATA connector in the MDD will get you arround 60MB plus oberhead, while the SATA-card gets you ca. 60MB via PCI-X, too). If you are shopping for a SATA-to-IDE adapter be sure to get one with Manhattan chipset (usually they use a red PCB), I had no luck with others even from known brands like Delock.
Also be aware, that Green drives can be problematic. Some don't support sleep in Mac OS X. Some not being recognized could be, if the SATA speed has to be jumpered to lower speed (only present in WD SATA drives). Advanced format / 4k drives are sometimes problematic as well. E.G. I had luck with a SATA-III 3TB advanced fromat Toshiba (for 3TB, you have to format the drive with GUID under 10.5, it will only wrk as a data drive), but not with a 2,5TB WD Green drive, a 2TB drive from another WD Green generation had no problems, though (this was in a AGP G4).
Just as a point of interest, in my never ending search for every little improvement, no matter how small, I purchased a Sonnet Tempo Sata card for my MDD. While it does work just fine and is bootable, testing has proven it is no faster then the $3 Sata/IDE bridge adapter SSD combination it was meant to replace.
In several tests the adapter is even a teeny bit faster, enough so that I've left it and the SSD in place and have the Sonnet sitting on a shelf trying not to look too embarrassed.
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Ah, but James! It's a Sonnet! The Honda and Toyota of Mac products. It'll last for a long time!
While that's a point, is Honda that what you call it in the US?
Here it is Mitsubishi and Toyota.
Sitting on the shelf unused it'll last forever.
@ Cox Orange, I didn't flash it, there is a lot of talk about flashing cards for Mac on the net, but actual How To's are almost impossible to find.
I have found a lot of old threads where some one asks "How do I flash this?" and the answer is something along the lines of "The answer is somewhere in this forum, if you can't be bothered to spend six month reading every post on ever possible thread, then I won't help you."
Most of the info to be found out there is old, some from a decade ago, or more!
There are threads on here, I've tried to read them all, but there's just so many posts and so little hard information.
It's little things, like...
Not all PC AGP cards can be flashed.
Not all PC AGP cards have a bios available for them (there are then conflicting accounts of weather you can or can't use alternative bio's on them)
You need to flash AGP cards in OSX older than Leopard (or do you?).
You need a PCI video card (to see what you are doing) or remote access it over a network.
Need to tape pins 3 and 11 if the card is an AGP 8x for use in a AGP 4x Mac.
You need to have no monitors plugged into the target AGP card.
Need to insure the vram does not end up massively over clocked (leading to artifacts and other image issues)
PC X800, X850, Fire GL cards all need 'reduced' (edited down from 128k to less than 64k) rom to work, as Mac bios is to large to fit on the chip fitted to PC cards.
DVI ports no longer work on some or all cards (eg ATI X800, X850, Fire GL)
The above info has taken me WEEKS of searching to find on the net!
Google it, and almost every suggestion is for the Mac Pro - the tip here is to ask it for flashing for 'G4' or 'G5' and not put either 'Apple' or 'Mac' in the search.
Best How To I found on YouTube...
As for flashing SATA cards .... I'd like to, but I've found next to nothing, just you need Tiger and you boot in safe mode (then what?) and you need the correct Mac bios.
I have a SATA to IDE adapter, it appeared to work the first time I tried it and I haven't managed to make it work since. :-c
My WD Caviar Green HD is a 1Tb.
Honda is another name name for Acura.
I have found a lot of old threads where some one asks "How do I flash this?" and the answer is something along the lines of "The answer is somewhere in this forum, if you can't be bothered to spend six month reading every post on ever possible thread, then I won't help you."
Most of the info to be found out there is old, some from a decade ago, or more!
There are threads on here, I've tried to read them all, but there's just so many posts and so little hard information.
It's little things, like...
Not all PC AGP cards can be flashed.
Not all PC AGP cards have a bios available for them (there are then conflicting accounts of weather you can or can't use alternative bio's on them)
You need to flash AGP cards in OSX older than Leopard (or do you?).
You need a PCI video card (to see what you are doing) or remote access it over a network.
Need to tape pins 3 and 11 if the card is an AGP 8x for use in a AGP 4x Mac.
You need to have no monitors plugged into the target AGP card.
Need to insure the vram does not end up massively over clocked (leading to artifacts and other image issues)
PC X800, X850, Fire GL cards all need 'reduced' (edited down from 128k to less than 64k) rom to work, as Mac bios is to large to fit on the chip fitted to PC cards.
DVI ports no longer work on some or all cards (eg ATI X800, X850, Fire GL)
The above info has taken me WEEKS of searching to find on the net!
Google it, and almost every suggestion is for the Mac Pro - the tip here is to ask it for flashing for 'G4' or 'G5' and not put either 'Apple' or 'Mac' in the search.
Best How To I found on YouTube...
As for flashing SATA cards .... I'd like to, but I've found next to nothing, just you need Tiger and you boot in safe mode (then what?) and you need the correct Mac bios.
I have a SATA to IDE adapter, it appeared to work the first time I tried it and I haven't managed to make it work since. :-c
My WD Caviar Green HD is a 1Tb.
Honda is another name name for Acura.
No Problem. Yes, gathering information can be confusing and nerve wrecking. Also some of the conflicting informations are somehow right for certain models.
Regarding the SATA-Card. Did yours work out of the box? Or did you have to download the SIL-drivers (which makes the card work for data drives, but desn't enable boot). Drivers here http://www.drivers-download.com/en/downloadlist.php?id=72
RE flashing There is a guide with a link to the ROM here on the forum that is on page 1 (downwards) or page 2, because it gets new requests and answers now and then, but it is for another SIL chip. google "Guide to flashing SIL3112 SATA cards for mac macrumors"
There is also a Thread where I tried to gather the options, with notes. It is very incomplete and not precise, but you can start from there. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pci-sata-cards-what-is-the-state-of-compatibility.1650568/
Personally I didn't ever bother flashing a SATA card, because I got a Sonnet 2port and a Macally one (2 SATA, 2 eSATA and IDE) and a PC-SATA card I use for data drives.
RE: flashing graphics cards cubeowner.com has distinct guides for all Series, I have to admit I had to search it again and only found it, because I had the link as a drag and drop link on my other Mac.
http://cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8804 "Instructions For Flashing Pc Video Cards, Series 3, Eg. Radeon 9800 Pro" (there are links to other card series as well.) You probably know themacelite as ressource for buying guides and recommendations and the ROM database.
It tells you a) how to install with a PC, b) blindly on a MAc, c) not blindly (PCI-graphics card needed for the monitor that will show the steps) d) etc.
Oh, better use this link, which shows the several guides as stickies: http://cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showforum=28 and the same Link with =44 appended.
RE: HOnda
I know they are called Honda in central Europe, too. But here (in Germany) they are known as a middle of the road manufacturer quality-wise. That's what I wanted to say by (how I should have better phrased it) "if Honda is, what you call quality over there" Here Toyota is seen as the Mercedes of Japanese cars and Mitsubishi sort of the BMW or Audi (while naming Audi and BMW in one sentence, as if they are the same is already a mistake, but I am not sure, what people would compare Mitsubishi to, really).
Regarding the SATA-Card. Did yours work out of the box? Or did you have to download the SIL-drivers (which makes the card work for data drives, but desn't enable boot). Drivers here http://www.drivers-download.com/en/downloadlist.php?id=72
RE flashing There is a guide with a link to the ROM here on the forum that is on page 1 (downwards) or page 2, because it gets new requests and answers now and then, but it is for another SIL chip. google "Guide to flashing SIL3112 SATA cards for mac macrumors"
There is also a Thread where I tried to gather the options, with notes. It is very incomplete and not precise, but you can start from there. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pci-sata-cards-what-is-the-state-of-compatibility.1650568/
Personally I didn't ever bother flashing a SATA card, because I got a Sonnet 2port and a Macally one (2 SATA, 2 eSATA and IDE) and a PC-SATA card I use for data drives.
RE: flashing graphics cards cubeowner.com has distinct guides for all Series, I have to admit I had to search it again and only found it, because I had the link as a drag and drop link on my other Mac.
http://cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8804 "Instructions For Flashing Pc Video Cards, Series 3, Eg. Radeon 9800 Pro" (there are links to other card series as well.) You probably know themacelite as ressource for buying guides and recommendations and the ROM database.
It tells you a) how to install with a PC, b) blindly on a MAc, c) not blindly (PCI-graphics card needed for the monitor that will show the steps) d) etc.
Oh, better use this link, which shows the several guides as stickies: http://cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showforum=28 and the same Link with =44 appended.
RE: HOnda
I know
they are called Honda in central Europe, too. But here (in Germany) they are known as a middle of the road manufacturer quality-wise. That's what I wanted to say by (how I should have better phrased it) "if Honda is, what you call quality over there" Here Toyota is seen as the Mercedes of Japanese cars and Mitsubishi sort of the BMW or Audi (while naming Audi and BMW in one sentence, as if they are the same is already a mistake, but I am not sure, what people would compare Mitsubishi to, really).
I guess it just depends on where you are in the world.RE: HOnda
I know
Mitsubishi is the same car brand here, or rather the same company.
Good brand, but not as popularly sold as Honda or Toyota. Or Nissan for that matter.
For the record, I own a 1997 Honda Accord. I was there the day my parents bought the car. It's still going.
That's old... and a prove of quality. Great!It's also great to have old stuff that is connected to certain memories.
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PS: forgot that one. I read that yours is a 1TB, but it cab happen with every capacity, that Macs don't wake from sleep, when using Green drives (there was one from Samsung and is from Seagte and Toshiba, too. Though differently named).
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I know that for energy efficient Hitachi drives there was a tool (that involved a PC) with which one could change the parameters for head parking and spin down times.
I have used the solution you have mentioned, though (because I don't have a PC and wouldn't want to mess with the drive manufacturers settings). IN another scenario I actually had to uncheck energy saving in system preferences, because a Macally SATA-card had a sleep buck as well.
What do we have here?
Oh wow, it's a Gainward Bliss 7800GS AGP graphics card! But does it have a G70 or a G71 chip?
Well, that's no help, I'll just have to take off the heat sink...
The tension is mounting!
Doh!
Oh well, it was dirt cheap, the seller didn't know what they had. Or maybe they did.
Anyone want to buy a used and non mac flashable Gainward Bliss 7800GS?
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Something I found no teh internetz...
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17863200
"AHA! Just found this... Typical!
There are 3 types of 7800GS:
Gainward 7685-BLISS 7800GS 256MB TV-DVI AGP
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS
Chip: 7800GT
Memory capacity: 256MB 1,6ns DDR
Clockspeed Core: 375MHZ
Clockspeed Mem: 1200MHZ
Pipes: 20
Gainwards barcode: 471846200-7685
Gainward 7739-BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS AGP 512MB
Chip: 7800GT
Memory capacity: 512MB 1,4ns GDDR3
Clockspeed Core: 425MHZ
Clockspeed Mem: 1200MHZ
Pipes: 20
Gainwards barcode: 47846200-7739
Gainward 7876-BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB GS+
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS GoldenSample AGP 512MB
Chip: 7800GT
Core: 450MHZ
Mem: 1250MHZ
Pipes: 24
Gainwards barcode: 471846200-7876"
Looking at my card, it's has the bar code number ending 7876.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17863200
"AHA! Just found this... Typical!
There are 3 types of 7800GS:
Gainward 7685-BLISS 7800GS 256MB TV-DVI AGP
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS
Chip: 7800GT
Memory capacity: 256MB 1,6ns DDR
Clockspeed Core: 375MHZ
Clockspeed Mem: 1200MHZ
Pipes: 20
Gainwards barcode: 471846200-7685
Gainward 7739-BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS AGP 512MB
Chip: 7800GT
Memory capacity: 512MB 1,4ns GDDR3
Clockspeed Core: 425MHZ
Clockspeed Mem: 1200MHZ
Pipes: 20
Gainwards barcode: 47846200-7739
Gainward 7876-BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB GS+
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS GoldenSample AGP 512MB
Chip: 7800GT
Core: 450MHZ
Mem: 1250MHZ
Pipes: 24
Gainwards barcode: 471846200-7876"
Looking at my card, it's has the bar code number ending 7876.
Err, I hadn't really thought about an amount, cost me a little under $20 shipped.
Here, I usually see these cards for sale for over $70, and usually that's PLUS shipping!
IDK if it works (in a PC) or not, I haven't tried it.
I reassembled it after removing the heat sink, using Arctic silver thermal paste on the two main chips, but nothing on the ram.
I planned to test it on the flashing PC, but that's still a collection of unassembled components. Last weekend I was busy helping a friend, so it didn't happen as I had planned. This weekend, maybe a trial build up?
(still don't have a DOS boot disk though)
As for price, I was thinking maybe shipping plus $10?
I'll look into shipping costs.
Here, I usually see these cards for sale for over $70, and usually that's PLUS shipping!
IDK if it works (in a PC) or not, I haven't tried it.
I reassembled it after removing the heat sink, using Arctic silver thermal paste on the two main chips, but nothing on the ram.
I planned to test it on the flashing PC, but that's still a collection of unassembled components. Last weekend I was busy helping a friend, so it didn't happen as I had planned. This weekend, maybe a trial build up?
(still don't have a DOS boot disk though)
As for price, I was thinking maybe shipping plus $10?
I'll look into shipping costs.
Haha, 1997? Old? You've got nothing on my 1993 4Runner
It's also great to have old stuff that is connected to certain memories.
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PS: forgot that one. I read that yours is a 1TB, but it cab happen with every capacity, that Macs don't wake from sleep, when using Green drives (there was one from Samsung and is from Seagte and Toshiba, too. Though differently named).