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OK...so let's say I buy the new 17" MacBook Pro with a non-interchangeable battery...
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The 17 inch is ment for around the home use only 15 for travel.
Wheres that written on the Apple site?
The 17 inch is clearly made for travel too or they wouldnt have given it an 8hour battery.
So, I'm not sure if anyone else has thought about this or asked about it, but have we even considered how LONG it is going to take to recharge that battery? Will it take twice as long as it currently does or have they improved that technology also?
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
First of all, they didn't improve anything. Nothing whatsoever. They designed it so the battery itself could be slightly bigger (i.e. re-arranged the innards) and used li-ion polymer batteries, just like in your cell phone or camera.
However, the battery does have a higher wattage, but as the laptop itself consumes more (from the ac adaptor as well), my bet is that it will take far longer to charge, simply because there's a limit to how much power you can throw at it, and especially how much power the wall-wart gives.
Yup. And a good one
Add: Remember how slowly the MBA (gen 1) charged? That was because Apple thought it would be neat that the charger didn't give out more juice.
I'm having fun on a snowy Saturday morning reading postings from people who pretty clearly don't know what "fieldwork" is and why fieldworkers really, really care about batteries and power sources and have strong opinions about the companies who make the equipment they have to use.
One of my field sites was the Boston Marathon finish line, 2004. I was in the road race timing business (some Macrumors folks must be runners...if you were ever in a "chip race," well, that's what I did), which by definition was fieldwork. Outside. Whatever the conditions. Must-deliver. Money involved and in some high-profile situations like Boston, if you screw up, many people all around the world become very angry.
And when systems like this are up and doing their job, they are all battery-powered, and have to stay up and running for (sometimes) many hours.
Each of our battery-powered pieces of equipment (at Boston there were 6, as I remember) was set up with a 12V marine battery plugged into it for external power. Each box had its own internal batteries, but the circuitry is set up so that if an external battery was attached, the box used the external battery FIRST and only switched to the internals when the external was exhausted.
If the new 17" MBP behaves in a similar manner then a person using an external battery via a magsafe connector wouldn't be in that dangerous situation of taking power via magsafe but at risk of going down if the magsafe connector drifted loose -- the internal battery would still be OK. And you would not be charging a battery from another battery. I have no idea whether the new MBP would behave in this manner with an external battery or not. My guess is that it would -- that it would "see" the DC coming in as if it were coming from an AC power supply, and would use it rather than the battery. If that's the case, then an external battery solution might be practical and would not be dangerous, provided the user started out with external power, rather than turning to it only when internal was exhausted.
Generator -- I used one of the Honda i-series (the 2kw model) which was small, reliable, and quiet. There's a 1k model, I believe. Obviously if you don't want or can't have AC around your equipment, then you can only use the generator to charge batteries (that was the situation with my timing gear -- when it was actually operating, it had to run on DC only). But -- if you can't remove the battery, you can't have it sitting somewhere in a charger so you can swap it when you need it.
Solar -- forget it. In my experience, most people who suggest solar don't understand how slowly any portable solar panel charges a battery. I don't think there's any practical way to replenish one battery at anything like the same rate you're using another up.
I was in the field in a very remote location (6-20 S, 155-23 E in case anybody wants to google-earth where it was) and decent power was on the other side of mountains held by automatic-weapon wielding rebels who didn't like outsiders too much. I went in with an 11-watt flexible solar panel, a big fully-charged 12V marine battery, and a DC powered charger and a handful of batteries for a Sony PD150 . . . the solar panels kept the 12V battery from discharging too quickly over the 10 days I was working. I couldn't keep up -- ran a negative balance on the 12V battery even with tropical sunlight but I was able to make it last long enough. Point is that you're not likely to run a field operation on solar and still be portable without, among other things, removable batteries.
Battery packs, inverters, UPSs -- many people don't know that some electronic devices are very unhappy to see square waves or dirty power; most UPSs work poorly or not at all with generators, and so on. Working in the field isn't simple! A fellow timer popped some very expensive equipment using a cheap "power pak" that threw out some kind of weird waveform that overheated it.
All I'm saying here is that people like BT and Tosser (and me, though in a different field, and no longer doing it) have to make it all happen out there regardless, we have to use a variety of equipment. We have our favorite and tested tricks to get and keep the juice flowing, and Apple just took away a really important part of our arsenal.
Or I should say "theirs," because I'm no longer in situations where if I lose power I lose money and reputation and people get angry at me. I think I'm glad about that but I do miss the excitement.
One of my field sites was the Boston Marathon finish line, 2004. I was in the road race timing business (some Macrumors folks must be runners...if you were ever in a "chip race," well, that's what I did), which by definition was fieldwork. Outside. Whatever the conditions. Must-deliver. Money involved and in some high-profile situations like Boston, if you screw up, many people all around the world become very angry.
And when systems like this are up and doing their job, they are all battery-powered, and have to stay up and running for (sometimes) many hours.
Each of our battery-powered pieces of equipment (at Boston there were 6, as I remember) was set up with a 12V marine battery plugged into it for external power. Each box had its own internal batteries, but the circuitry is set up so that if an external battery was attached, the box used the external battery FIRST and only switched to the internals when the external was exhausted.
If the new 17" MBP behaves in a similar manner then a person using an external battery via a magsafe connector wouldn't be in that dangerous situation of taking power via magsafe but at risk of going down if the magsafe connector drifted loose -- the internal battery would still be OK. And you would not be charging a battery from another battery. I have no idea whether the new MBP would behave in this manner with an external battery or not. My guess is that it would -- that it would "see" the DC coming in as if it were coming from an AC power supply, and would use it rather than the battery. If that's the case, then an external battery solution might be practical and would not be dangerous, provided the user started out with external power, rather than turning to it only when internal was exhausted.
Generator -- I used one of the Honda i-series (the 2kw model) which was small, reliable, and quiet. There's a 1k model, I believe. Obviously if you don't want or can't have AC around your equipment, then you can only use the generator to charge batteries (that was the situation with my timing gear -- when it was actually operating, it had to run on DC only). But -- if you can't remove the battery, you can't have it sitting somewhere in a charger so you can swap it when you need it.
Solar -- forget it. In my experience, most people who suggest solar don't understand how slowly any portable solar panel charges a battery. I don't think there's any practical way to replenish one battery at anything like the same rate you're using another up.
I was in the field in a very remote location (6-20 S, 155-23 E in case anybody wants to google-earth where it was) and decent power was on the other side of mountains held by automatic-weapon wielding rebels who didn't like outsiders too much. I went in with an 11-watt flexible solar panel, a big fully-charged 12V marine battery, and a DC powered charger and a handful of batteries for a Sony PD150 . . . the solar panels kept the 12V battery from discharging too quickly over the 10 days I was working. I couldn't keep up -- ran a negative balance on the 12V battery even with tropical sunlight but I was able to make it last long enough. Point is that you're not likely to run a field operation on solar and still be portable without, among other things, removable batteries.
Battery packs, inverters, UPSs -- many people don't know that some electronic devices are very unhappy to see square waves or dirty power; most UPSs work poorly or not at all with generators, and so on. Working in the field isn't simple! A fellow timer popped some very expensive equipment using a cheap "power pak" that threw out some kind of weird waveform that overheated it.
All I'm saying here is that people like BT and Tosser (and me, though in a different field, and no longer doing it) have to make it all happen out there regardless, we have to use a variety of equipment. We have our favorite and tested tricks to get and keep the juice flowing, and Apple just took away a really important part of our arsenal.
Or I should say "theirs," because I'm no longer in situations where if I lose power I lose money and reputation and people get angry at me. I think I'm glad about that but I do miss the excitement.
Ah, yes. TV, the cultural bearer of ignorance and stupidity.
I'll get right on it I'm gonna get myself a satellite dish so I don't get "offended" when some american high-schooler regurgitates some pop-cultural tv-phenomenon on an international forum
You are so far off of the mark with this post I have no idea what to say to you...
Your statement about TV couldn't be less true (evidently, you only ever watched game shows) and proves that you are a hell of a lot more ignorant than you would care to admit or acknowledge.
As for the high schooler part...just stop talking.
I'm out of this thread now. You, Sir Tosser, are a waste of everyone's time. How can you help someone that cannot help themselves?
Really?
… says someone who chastises someone else for not "getting" a Southpark-reference as his sole comment. Yup, that sure makes sense
Oh, I'm sorry. But if your vocabulary and cultural language consists of making references to a cartoon you watch on the telly, your real age really doesn't matter.
As far as I know, our queen never granted me a knighthood, so skip the "Sir".
I wonder where you could have gotten the misconception that your Southpark reference somehow were helping anyone? Especially in a post that had no contents other than that. Hmm, makes one wonder …
Thoughtful posting!
Great post, great thoughts. Made reading through some painful name-calling worth the effort!
Thanks!
Great post, great thoughts. Made reading through some painful name-calling worth the effort!
Thanks!
Food for FW400 thought
Well.. I think I'm a Pro user.. been using FW from its infancy with laptops for editing etc.
Here's some food for thought though.. The new Sony range of broadcast cameras that use tapeless, file based recording (XDCAM HD 4:2:2) and are replacing the industry standard DigiBeta format, have a FW400 socket on the back to transfer the data from the camera to the edit machine.
These cameras are firmly aimed at people who need to edit in the field - war zones, treks etc, and can cost upwards of about 50,000 dollars with no lens or viewfinder.
They only have FW400, unless you spend more money and buy another portable drive that reads the XDCAM HD disks from the camera.
Apple are cutting another market from their user base.
Well.. I think I'm a Pro user.. been using FW from its infancy with laptops for editing etc.
Here's some food for thought though.. The new Sony range of broadcast cameras that use tapeless, file based recording (XDCAM HD 4:2:2) and are replacing the industry standard DigiBeta format, have a FW400 socket on the back to transfer the data from the camera to the edit machine.
These cameras are firmly aimed at people who need to edit in the field - war zones, treks etc, and can cost upwards of about 50,000 dollars with no lens or viewfinder.
They only have FW400, unless you spend more money and buy another portable drive that reads the XDCAM HD disks from the camera.
Apple are cutting another market from their user base.
I'd actually say that's more sony's fault. If someone's going to spend $50,000 on a video camera then it should have the fastest transfer available which is fw800
anyway just a thought
There's an adapter for FW800 --> FW400.
Personally, I always thought 3 USB, 1 FW800, and 1 FW400 was not enough ports for a 17" laptop. Heck, 2 USB ports, 1 FW800, and 1 FW400 aren't enough for a 15" laptop, considering how Apple didn't even use up space incorporating standard things like card readers!!
Personally, I always thought 3 USB, 1 FW800, and 1 FW400 was not enough ports for a 17" laptop. Heck, 2 USB ports, 1 FW800, and 1 FW400 aren't enough for a 15" laptop, considering how Apple didn't even use up space incorporating standard things like card readers!!
Really?
… says someone who chastises someone else for not "getting" a Southpark-reference as his sole comment. Yup, that sure makes sense
Oh, I'm sorry. But if your vocabulary and cultural language consists of making references to a cartoon you watch on the telly, your real age really doesn't matter.
As far as I know, our queen never granted me a knighthood, so skip the "Sir".
I wonder where you could have gotten the misconception that your Southpark reference somehow were helping anyone? Especially in a post that had no contents other than that. Hmm, makes one wonder …
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Farewell. You sir (sarcasm, please learn it), are simply not worth anyone's time.
p.s: honestly, don't bother replying since I definitely will not read your reply and you really wouldn't be impressing anybody.
I just don't understand why anyone would be on the side of Apple on this one, like these people defending Apple for dropping FW from the MB, all we (not me so much as I'm sticking with my white MB, but you know) as the users are asking for are options. Yes we like Apples operating system, it's probably the main reason most people use Apple computers, so why must you (Apple) screw us over by crippling the hardware? Yet, these fanboys tell us "Steve Jobs has spoken, you must not question the god, if you do then you must be silenced or go and use Windows or Linux." Why can they not understand that someone has a legitimate issue with Apples hardware decisions?
Edit: It seems like Apple recently has been removing/crippling as much as they are adding/upgrading
such as "here's a nifty new Nvidia chipset in your shiny new unibody MB, but we're taking FW out," or "here you can switch your HDD easily on your new MBP, but it has no matte option and only has 1 FW800 port", and now "here's the new 17" MBP, matte option, extra long battery life, but the battery is non-removable" WTF? This makes me really fear for the next case redesign in the iMac and Mac Mini.
Edit: It seems like Apple recently has been removing/crippling as much as they are adding/upgrading
such as "here's a nifty new Nvidia chipset in your shiny new unibody MB, but we're taking FW out," or "here you can switch your HDD easily on your new MBP, but it has no matte option and only has 1 FW800 port", and now "here's the new 17" MBP, matte option, extra long battery life, but the battery is non-removable" WTF? This makes me really fear for the next case redesign in the iMac and Mac Mini.
I think you should look up the term "sarcasm". Secondly, I liked your picture. It's funny you should post something like that, then re-enter the discussion.
Ha ha, who here replies to anything to "impress" other than ten-year-olds? Perhaps that statement was pure projection?
It certainly does.
Wish I knew how to go back to the 3rd page and quote all of your comments, as you so elegantly did mine, MR. Tosser, but I won't go to the trouble. I hadn't looked at this thread til tonight, but I certainly don't want to back off an argument to ignorance.
Many, MANY PC platforms have and Have Had FW. I have a couple still in my house, an old Micron and Compaq in the kids room, both with FW.
First, Tosser, I am really curious how you know so much about me and my FW usage? Unreal! Are you kidding me? I'll bet I have more Non-working FW peripherals than you have total! I use nothing but FW to capture BOTH audio and Video for many years....have been since Apple came out with it!
Also, your ignorant comment about Best Buy...Tosser, MOST people in this world are doing their shopping for computers, hard drives, printers and every other peripheral at the Best Buys (and related BIG chain stores and websites) in this world. No friend of mine has ever HEARD of OWC, much less purchased from them!
I am, for all its worth, a HUGE fan of FW...especially FW800. I have 4 field drives from OWC with FW 400/800 only. Like another mentioned earlier...I too have several Macs just in my studio...including, as I mentioned an old G4 for P2 shuffling....one of the premier storage systems for video today. But, as your ignorance points out, you are clueless....as you don't care what I shoot on. I have NEVER had a file transfer issue with my 400/800 integration....sorry you do. Sorry Mac has forsaken and abandoned you. Me....regardless of your clue-less-ness about me and the creative that I do and have done for over two decades....I am Kicking Ass in Alaska right now! Love her or Hate her...Sarah Palin has brought a new intrigue and curiosity about Alaska to the rest of the country....and the WORLD! I have never, ever been so busy shooting video and stills....and Post production. More contracts than I know what to do with....and the efforts that Apple and Mac have made over the past 6 years are tremendous! I had been a Windows user until only a year and a half ago. Bought my own company and several Macs and the rest is history. A friend of mine that has his own studio is running the old Power Macs....while his rendering will take 40-50 minutes on a 15 minute High Def clip, my '08 Mac Pro does it in less than a minute. The advances of OSX and the integration of Windows or ANY other OS with Boot Camp is Awesome! The Speed of the 8 core Mac Pros is phenomenal! I am a HUGE fan of Mac...never, ever had an issue with any of them. They just plain work. Maybe I did spend Way too much time with Windows...but Apple works for me, sorry it doesn't for you.
FW 400 was NOT abandoned! It is OLD technology....regardless of your argument...it is going the same direction as serial and parallel and USB 1.1 and 5 1/4" floppies, and Dot Matrix printers, and EVERY OTHER ABANDONED OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY!!!!
That doesn't mean SOME manufacturers aren't still producing products with FW 400, but NOT many are in the creative industry (Audio, Video, Graphics and Photography). In fact, I have 3 Edirol FA101 capture boxes that are Untouchable for what they do at the price. FW 400 only....BUT, Roland/Edirol do have a new line of FA101's on the way with FW800 (Maybe new brand name)....and their UA25 series with USB are JUST as Great!
USB is not necessarily the future (and certainly wasn't my intent to suggest it is), but it IS the present. USB 3.0 apparently will rear it's head later this year or early next with the speed of FW800 and backward capability to USB 2.0 and 1.1. I am sure we will see hick-ups their as well, as it will be new technology and drivers are slow in the beginning.
Come to think of it, we also have a couple of new(ish) sound processors in the rack...The BBE DS26 that ONLY has a serial port, what a pain...to find an old PC with serial, haul around a desk top....OR go to the local electronics store and get a USB to serial adapter....just another point about new electronics from manufacturers with old technology. Sucks...but Deal with it.
I suppose I have babbled too much, as I wanted you to get a chance to know that I am not a newbie with ZERO experience with FW 400, Mr. Tosser. Now, you may go ahead and flame me all you want...I guarantee I have more experience than you will EVER have with FW/USB/Serial/and Computers, period! Seriously...I have seen comments like yours SO many times over the last 20 years....most recently with HD-DVD and the Fan Boys of that format Vs. Blu Ray....You HAVE to move on dude! Apple and their design team are SO far ahead of you...and they DO program to Professionals Just try a PeeCee and You'll understand
Peace
J
Many, MANY PC platforms have and Have Had FW. I have a couple still in my house, an old Micron and Compaq in the kids room, both with FW.
First, Tosser, I am really curious how you know so much about me and my FW usage? Unreal! Are you kidding me? I'll bet I have more Non-working FW peripherals than you have total! I use nothing but FW to capture BOTH audio and Video for many years....have been since Apple came out with it!
Also, your ignorant comment about Best Buy...Tosser, MOST people in this world are doing their shopping for computers, hard drives, printers and every other peripheral at the Best Buys (and related BIG chain stores and websites) in this world. No friend of mine has ever HEARD of OWC, much less purchased from them!
I am, for all its worth, a HUGE fan of FW...especially FW800. I have 4 field drives from OWC with FW 400/800 only. Like another mentioned earlier...I too have several Macs just in my studio...including, as I mentioned an old G4 for P2 shuffling....one of the premier storage systems for video today. But, as your ignorance points out, you are clueless....as you don't care what I shoot on. I have NEVER had a file transfer issue with my 400/800 integration....sorry you do. Sorry Mac has forsaken and abandoned you. Me....regardless of your clue-less-ness about me and the creative that I do and have done for over two decades....I am Kicking Ass in Alaska right now! Love her or Hate her...Sarah Palin has brought a new intrigue and curiosity about Alaska to the rest of the country....and the WORLD! I have never, ever been so busy shooting video and stills....and Post production. More contracts than I know what to do with....and the efforts that Apple and Mac have made over the past 6 years are tremendous! I had been a Windows user until only a year and a half ago. Bought my own company and several Macs and the rest is history. A friend of mine that has his own studio is running the old Power Macs....while his rendering will take 40-50 minutes on a 15 minute High Def clip, my '08 Mac Pro does it in less than a minute. The advances of OSX and the integration of Windows or ANY other OS with Boot Camp is Awesome! The Speed of the 8 core Mac Pros is phenomenal! I am a HUGE fan of Mac...never, ever had an issue with any of them. They just plain work. Maybe I did spend Way too much time with Windows...but Apple works for me, sorry it doesn't for you.
FW 400 was NOT abandoned! It is OLD technology....regardless of your argument...it is going the same direction as serial and parallel and USB 1.1 and 5 1/4" floppies, and Dot Matrix printers, and EVERY OTHER ABANDONED OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY!!!!
That doesn't mean SOME manufacturers aren't still producing products with FW 400, but NOT many are in the creative industry (Audio, Video, Graphics and Photography). In fact, I have 3 Edirol FA101 capture boxes that are Untouchable for what they do at the price. FW 400 only....BUT, Roland/Edirol do have a new line of FA101's on the way with FW800 (Maybe new brand name)....and their UA25 series with USB are JUST as Great!
USB is not necessarily the future (and certainly wasn't my intent to suggest it is), but it IS the present. USB 3.0 apparently will rear it's head later this year or early next with the speed of FW800 and backward capability to USB 2.0 and 1.1. I am sure we will see hick-ups their as well, as it will be new technology and drivers are slow in the beginning.
Come to think of it, we also have a couple of new(ish) sound processors in the rack...The BBE DS26 that ONLY has a serial port, what a pain...to find an old PC with serial, haul around a desk top....OR go to the local electronics store and get a USB to serial adapter....just another point about new electronics from manufacturers with old technology. Sucks...but Deal with it.
I suppose I have babbled too much, as I wanted you to get a chance to know that I am not a newbie with ZERO experience with FW 400, Mr. Tosser. Now, you may go ahead and flame me all you want...I guarantee I have more experience than you will EVER have with FW/USB/Serial/and Computers, period! Seriously...I have seen comments like yours SO many times over the last 20 years....most recently with HD-DVD and the Fan Boys of that format Vs. Blu Ray....You HAVE to move on dude! Apple and their design team are SO far ahead of you...and they DO program to Professionals
Just try a PeeCee and You'll understandPeace
J
Splendid.
Of course they have. I never said they didn't. Going back, it looks like you confused someone elses post with mine. Never said FW wasn't available on PCs. In fact, shipped computers with FW rose 20 percent last year.
It sure would be easier to put your claims into context if I knew what you were responding to. However, your claim that you have "more FW peripherals than I have" is a weird claim, considering your earlier claim that going USB is a move FORWARD, technology wise.
Wait, so because "most people" (i.e. consumers) buy their gear from consumer outlets like Best Buy, you think you can conclude that what can be had at Best Buy is the only things that can be bought? Is that really your argument? Seriously?
Yes, so you claim, only to go on and make belief that going USB is a step FORWARD. That's not just an awkward way of arguing, that's simply intellectual dishonesty.
LOL, I'm not the only having problems with adaptors. Go do your research instead of pretending that noone but me (and the OP) can have any problems, since you personally don't have experienced any problems.
It STILL doesn't matter what you shoot your argument WAS (and still is) that USB somehow was a step forward, and in this context, it's utterly irrelevant what you shoot. Go do your research.
Nothing like trying to use misplaced sarcasm. That's not how I feel at all. I merely counter back patting ignorance "do-what-Jobs-tells-you" comments.
What's your point? Should that somehow lend your argument that we should simply learn to live with USB-only some sort of credit?
Wow, is it possible for you to be anymore apologetic? You compare OSX on a new Mac Pro to old Power Macs as the premise, then as a partia conclusion you toss in some windows talk, and then make the logical leaps that a) since Macs have "always" worked for you, and b) the Macs mentioned were DESKTOPS, we should somehow how no problem working around faulty FW-chipsets, or even non-existing FW-ports, integrated batteries, and a slew of other problems, and simply go for USB and consumer LAPTOPS?
LOL, again with the "obsolete" remarks. Tell that to the many that use it everyday and have no other option. Not because they aren't willing to upgrade, but because they aren't willing to downgrade to some usb-onlu computer, camera, recorder, interface or whatever. They nixed fw on the new cinema display, they removed firewire completely from the MacBook, and in all practicality (because of the chipset, mostly) from the MacBook "Pro", and you STILL try to argue that FireWire is "obsolete" and we should go USB, not recognising that "obsolete" entails that there is no use for it. Back when, you used examples where each and everyone of them were examples where there were a better heir to take it's place.
It really is funny: You pretend to be offended and claim sarcastically that I "know" what your needs are. Then moments after, you claim that entire industries should simply "move forward" and make it work with what is offered right now and what is (not) on the horizon from Apple. I'm grateful we have someone like you to tell us that we should all buy our stuff we use for a living in Best Buy.
Wow! You certainly should look somewhere else than Best Buy.
Actually, they're saying it will be slower at first. And it's funny you claim you're talking about the present, when not a single USB 3.0 product is out there. The work I have to do now cannot be done in some magical future years down the line.
If I were you, I'd be very wary of using Apple's whims as an indicator for the entire industry. FW-equipped shipped computers were UP last year.
LOL, and that comes from a proponent of the tech? That comes from someone who states that FW is obsolete and we should "Move on"? Are you freaking kidding me? I need to make a living, and from what you claim, so do you, yet you argue that although 3.0 will be slow and buggy at first, although 3.0 isn't even near out yet, we should simply "move on" to USB 2.0 right now? Oh, and we should also just buy our stuff in Best Buy "because that's were most of the world buys their stuff from".
Unreal.
As mentioned, just because Apple doesn't want to support it, doesn't mean it's "Old and obsolete" by any shot. Serial ports are obsolete, and they became so after a few years with USB. Since there is no heir to FW, nothing that can do what FW does, it is not obsolete, no matter how few FW ports you can find at your local Best Buy.
That's quite the ironic statement. I mean, is that really coming from someone who plays offended and claim that I can't possible know what you do (based on me saying I didn't give a shyte about what you did)?
You MIGHT have more experience although I doubt it, judging by your statements about FW being obsolete and all - but really, what do you expect I can use such a claim to? Do you expect me to go "Oh, well, AKDJ have "more experience", thus I should go buy my stuff in Best Buy and go all-usb, and forget about the audio industry standard of FW, forget about the shortcomings of USB"?
You must be nuts.
Oh, great example. I notice that although you claim to speak of the last 20 years, you only mention something that happened within the last couple of years.
So, idiots arguing about what's the best consumer format to watch videos on is the same as people using and needing FW for work and in the field. Yup, that sure makes sense. You surely know how to use some valid examples
Apple and their design team are SO far ahead of you...and they DO program to Professionals
Speaking of fanboys (I reckon it must have been projection on your part when you used the term "fanboy"):
You say "PeeCee", it's a quite telling way of putting it. Telling about the fanboyism on your behalf, that is.
Secondly, moving back five or ten years technology-wise is certainly not "ahead" of me, nor is catering to the consumer-only "ahead of" me. But what exactly is "ahead" of me?
Catering to the lowest common denominator consumer?
Nixing FW?
Using inferior FW chipsets?
Having built-in batteries?
Use old tech (in some of their offerings)?
Going all-glossy?
Seriously, what is
?
Third, I do use PC's on the side and always have been. I do know what is out there, unlike someone else.
Fourth, Yes, they do have programmes for pros, but alas, I found it necessary to migrate my workflows (and apparently, just in time) because I didn't want to be tied into the HW-platform anymore. I feared the worst, and what do you know, I was right: Catering to consumers-only, and a whole slews of fanboys trying to tell me and likeminded pros that we should "Move on" to USB and that whatever Apple does is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
... and out.
"USB is a move FORWARD, technology wise."
It IS....USB 3.0 is on the horizon....with backward compatibility. More and more vehicles, I think I read over 50% of new cars, trucks and SUVs will have USB or Ipod integration into their GPS, NAV and Car stereo systems. USB has completely taken over the printing world, External hard drives, even my son's new "Fischer Price Learn to Race Bike" that plugs into the TV, also plugs into the computer, via USB. Every one is jumping on board! Latency issues with audio and video have been all but solved with faster processors, standard 7200 rpm hard drives, cheap RAM, and Broadband....and USB 3.0 promises the same increases we have seen between 400 and 800 on the Firewire side! Just because a technology has been around 10 years doesn't bean in can't be a FORWARD technology....especially when they continue to evolve the tech to conform to the latest standards.
I use a system called "Serato" from "Rane." I know you have no interest in this, but I am going to give an example anyway Serato is a two part process, software and hardware based. Essentially, a way to tie in your CD players or turntables to your computer based hard drive music collection. This allows you to spin, scratch, etc all music on your hard drive with just TWO records Pretty amazing, but the point being the latency issue that we all love to HATE until this program and faster computers became available. I see guys using the program with older single core Pentium PCs with NO issues! USB is a fantastic connection and being updated as we speak. So although a new connector may and probably is on the horizon....the ONLY way for whatever connector it is to become a "Standard" in the industry is if manufacturers support it. Obviously, Apple has seen a decline in companies using FW 400....as have I, with the exception of the video market....where I have issues with USB vs. FW (FW is the better of the two for me)....BUT video is now moving to HDMI (Which is what bums me that Apple has not included to this poing....not a fan of the mini display port crap...but again, gotta get over it and see what they have in mind....maybe it has a better theoretical bandwidth limit....an even greater depth of color OR the ability to carry 50 channels of Surround Audio, dunno
"Wait, so because "most people" (i.e. consumers) buy their gear from consumer outlets like Best Buy, you think you can conclude that what can be had at Best Buy is the only things that can be bought? Is that really your argument? Seriously?"
Yes, seriously! Go talk to Joe Six pack OR the producer of "24"....see how many know what the hell FW800 vs. 400 or USB is....EVERYBODY knows what USB is, and most of them are shopping at Big Chain Stores! There are those of us that use CDW and OWC....even builders that use New Egg and other OEM and after market distributors. But I DO think you overestimate us GEEKS! There are NOT many of us and even some of us, in a pinch, will stop in to Best Buy and pick up a hard drive. I think you are Blowing this Best Buy thing out of proportion though....my only point was how Frustrating it has become to try to find an F'i.n.g External with FW....in a chain store. Best Buy, Office Max and Depot, Wal Mart, Sams or Costco. They don't exist in any brand....Maxtor, WD, even the Lacie's are USB that I have seen lately.
"Yes, so you claim, only to go on and make belief that going USB is a step FORWARD. That's not just an awkward way of arguing, that's simply intellectual dishonesty"
You have NO idea who I am. Just because I am a fan, does NOT mean that I control what is and isn't a Forward step in technology. Actually, Go back and read what I said....your claim of intellectual dishonesty is actually a claim of a poster's ignorance! In my first post, I said it had become an industry standard....everyone is using USB, very few are using FW and the ones that are, are very careful to include USB in the device alot of times. Again, I NEVER said it was a Forward technology until I spoke of USB 3.0 and how well they have done at Camp USB by keeping up with the speeds of surrounding components and peripherals....but even then, my point was NOT to point out USB as a forward technology....I told YOU that it was time to move forward in reference to YOUR post bitching about lack of FW 400 and corrupt transfers.
I am a VERY honest individual and pride myself on that virtue. Don't EVER hint of me lying to myself or anyone else without a claim to back it up. Totally immature and certainly lessens any credibility to your post.
I think, you think, even in the professional world...that folks will shun the Best Buy's of this world. I think you're wrong! SERIOUSLY!
The Niche computer and electronics market is a dying breed...there are still many, but fewer and fewer in between.
"LOL, I'm not the only having problems with adaptors. Go do your research instead of pretending that noone but me (and the OP) can have any problems, since you personally don't have experienced any problems.
It STILL doesn't matter what you shoot your argument WAS (and still is) that USB somehow was a step forward, and in this context, it's utterly irrelevant what you shoot. Go do your research."
No Tosser-Man....I DID NOT SAY USB WAS A FORWARD TECHNOLOGY, you are putting words into my post....I told you it was time to move forward and that I remember you(s) bitching for the last 20 years ever time a connection was left out, gotten rid of, retired, or believe it or not (with FW 800), gotten replaced by better technology.
Laugh all you want clown-town....there are VERY few people having issues that I have read about with the FW 4/8 transfer cable. I have 4 of them, use them alot on my FW800/USB drives in the field. Never an issue, sorry you and the very few others having problems are experiencing them, and if it really is such an issue...Apple has been wonderful with fixes and updates.
And, what I shoot is relevant. If you had any idea what it is that I shoot, you would know that I am ALWAYS traveling with a MacBook Pro (or 3), batteries, AND FW/USB peripherals to dump video in the field. I felt that is a very relevant task to the initial poster's ills about having a non interchangeable battery....Which, sorry, but with an 8 hour est run time compared to the 2 hours I am getting from my current MBP, I find this complaint ridiculous too. a 400% increase, 5 year and 1000 cycle life? Un-freaking-heard of in a 17" laptop with high end (or relatively high end) video processing....and, IMO, ABSOLUTELY dedicated to the Pro with NO need to carry around 3 or 4 batteries! And, in Alaska, I understand the concern of keeping batteries and ALL electronics warm and out of the elements....this is WHY I think this addition from Apple is welcome.
It is unreal how people ALWAYS find something to complain about....and I can show you threads over the last 10 years with the release of everything (new Macbooks, Pros, iMacs, etc) that begin with the "Leaving the Pros in the cold".....Well then Why in the hell do you pros even worry about, much less buy Mac Products? To me, the MacBook Pro is a solid professional laptop. More so than any Windows platform I see available.
"LOL, again with the "obsolete" remarks. Tell that to the many that use it everyday and have no other option. Not because they aren't willing to upgrade, but because they aren't willing to downgrade to some usb-onlu computer, camera, recorder, interface or whatever. They nixed fw on the new cinema display, they removed firewire completely from the MacBook, and in all practicality (because of the chipset, mostly) from the MacBook "Pro", and you STILL try to argue that FireWire is "obsolete" and we should go USB, not recognising that "obsolete" entails that there is no use for it. Back when, you used examples where each and everyone of them were examples where there were a better heir to take it's place.
It really is funny: You pretend to be offended and claim sarcastically that I "know" what your needs are. Then moments after, you claim that entire industries should simply "move forward" and make it work with what is offered right now and what is (not) on the horizon from Apple. I'm grateful we have someone like you to tell us that we should all buy our stuff we use for a living in Best Buy."
Dude....you are a COMPLETE clown! Once again, never said FW was obsolete, but that that is the way its going (Remember, Apple invented it, Apple got rid of it....That means it is going to be F U K C n I G obsolete. Fill in the blanks bro....the inventor has invented something else and he doesn't want to put it on his machine anymore....>GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE!
Obsolete, Definition: "disused: no longer in use" from Webster
Now, is FW 400 obsolete in the new world of Apple computers? YES, in fact it has been "disused" and it is "No longer in use" Therefore, by definition, FW400 is obsolete from the computer maker that invented it. BUT, FW is not dead, 800 is Awesome! Will it catch on? Dunno Is it backwards compatible? In the few cases I have used, yet....in The Salad Tosser's world? Nope!
Obsolete tech, it's old....been around a long time! I will miss it....even though manufacturers are still making FW 400 gear, I Would BET money that we see significantly less as this year progresses, considering the moves Apple is making!
Please, once again....get your **** straight dude....you are a total MESS! Never said by your **** at Best Buy....I said most people do, and I am right. You need to clean out the wax or learn how to read.
Few shop at CDW and OWC
"FW-equipped shipped computers were UP last year."
Really>Show me the stat, other than the fact Apple continues to impress with their gear and make moves on the PC market.....show me where you found that stat. I call BS (unless directly attributed to the fact that Apple is now selling more computers than ever and were FW equipped).
"LOL, and that comes from a proponent of the tech? That comes from someone who states that FW is obsolete and we should "Move on"? Are you freaking kidding me? I need to make a living, and from what you claim, so do you, yet you argue that although 3.0 will be slow and buggy at first, although 3.0 isn't even near out yet, we should simply "move on" to USB 2.0 right now? Oh, and we should also just buy our stuff in Best Buy "because that's were most of the world buys their stuff from".
Unreal."
Are YOU kidding me? I AM making a living now, so are ALL of use in the profession, with Mac Computers.....there are PLENTY of choices on the market, right now, that satisfy your needs! My point earlier....if you need FW 400, buy a 17" Mac Pro from 2 weeks ago! There are still plenty at every Mac store in the country, Best Buy Too! If you can't make money with what is available to you technology wise....you need to find a different career, just goes to show how clueless you are....or bitching about Apple to bitch....maybe you're jealous? Do you even own a Mac
"Oh, great example. I notice that although you claim to speak of the last 20 years, you only mention something that happened within the last couple of years.
So, idiots arguing about what's the best consumer format to watch videos on is the same as people using and needing FW for work and in the field. Yup, that sure makes sense. You surely know how to use some valid examples
It IS....USB 3.0 is on the horizon....with backward compatibility. More and more vehicles, I think I read over 50% of new cars, trucks and SUVs will have USB or Ipod integration into their GPS, NAV and Car stereo systems. USB has completely taken over the printing world, External hard drives, even my son's new "Fischer Price Learn to Race Bike" that plugs into the TV, also plugs into the computer, via USB. Every one is jumping on board! Latency issues with audio and video have been all but solved with faster processors, standard 7200 rpm hard drives, cheap RAM, and Broadband....and USB 3.0 promises the same increases we have seen between 400 and 800 on the Firewire side! Just because a technology has been around 10 years doesn't bean in can't be a FORWARD technology....especially when they continue to evolve the tech to conform to the latest standards.
I use a system called "Serato" from "Rane." I know you have no interest in this, but I am going to give an example anyway
Serato is a two part process, software and hardware based. Essentially, a way to tie in your CD players or turntables to your computer based hard drive music collection. This allows you to spin, scratch, etc all music on your hard drive with just TWO records Pretty amazing, but the point being the latency issue that we all love to HATE until this program and faster computers became available. I see guys using the program with older single core Pentium PCs with NO issues! USB is a fantastic connection and being updated as we speak. So although a new connector may and probably is on the horizon....the ONLY way for whatever connector it is to become a "Standard" in the industry is if manufacturers support it. Obviously, Apple has seen a decline in companies using FW 400....as have I, with the exception of the video market....where I have issues with USB vs. FW (FW is the better of the two for me)....BUT video is now moving to HDMI (Which is what bums me that Apple has not included to this poing....not a fan of the mini display port crap...but again, gotta get over it and see what they have in mind....maybe it has a better theoretical bandwidth limit....an even greater depth of color OR the ability to carry 50 channels of Surround Audio, dunno"Wait, so because "most people" (i.e. consumers) buy their gear from consumer outlets like Best Buy, you think you can conclude that what can be had at Best Buy is the only things that can be bought? Is that really your argument? Seriously?"
Yes, seriously! Go talk to Joe Six pack OR the producer of "24"....see how many know what the hell FW800 vs. 400 or USB is....EVERYBODY knows what USB is, and most of them are shopping at Big Chain Stores! There are those of us that use CDW and OWC....even builders that use New Egg and other OEM and after market distributors. But I DO think you overestimate us GEEKS! There are NOT many of us and even some of us, in a pinch, will stop in to Best Buy and pick up a hard drive. I think you are Blowing this Best Buy thing out of proportion though....my only point was how Frustrating it has become to try to find an F'i.n.g External with FW....in a chain store. Best Buy, Office Max and Depot, Wal Mart, Sams or Costco. They don't exist in any brand....Maxtor, WD, even the Lacie's are USB that I have seen lately.
"Yes, so you claim, only to go on and make belief that going USB is a step FORWARD. That's not just an awkward way of arguing, that's simply intellectual dishonesty"
You have NO idea who I am. Just because I am a fan, does NOT mean that I control what is and isn't a Forward step in technology. Actually, Go back and read what I said....your claim of intellectual dishonesty is actually a claim of a poster's ignorance! In my first post, I said it had become an industry standard....everyone is using USB, very few are using FW and the ones that are, are very careful to include USB in the device alot of times. Again, I NEVER said it was a Forward technology until I spoke of USB 3.0 and how well they have done at Camp USB by keeping up with the speeds of surrounding components and peripherals....but even then, my point was NOT to point out USB as a forward technology....I told YOU that it was time to move forward in reference to YOUR post bitching about lack of FW 400 and corrupt transfers.
I am a VERY honest individual and pride myself on that virtue. Don't EVER hint of me lying to myself or anyone else without a claim to back it up. Totally immature and certainly lessens any credibility to your post.
I think, you think, even in the professional world...that folks will shun the Best Buy's of this world. I think you're wrong! SERIOUSLY!
The Niche computer and electronics market is a dying breed...there are still many, but fewer and fewer in between.
"LOL, I'm not the only having problems with adaptors. Go do your research instead of pretending that noone but me (and the OP) can have any problems, since you personally don't have experienced any problems.
It STILL doesn't matter what you shoot your argument WAS (and still is) that USB somehow was a step forward, and in this context, it's utterly irrelevant what you shoot. Go do your research."
No Tosser-Man....I DID NOT SAY USB WAS A FORWARD TECHNOLOGY, you are putting words into my post....I told you it was time to move forward and that I remember you(s) bitching for the last 20 years ever time a connection was left out, gotten rid of, retired, or believe it or not (with FW 800), gotten replaced by better technology.
Laugh all you want clown-town....there are VERY few people having issues that I have read about with the FW 4/8 transfer cable. I have 4 of them, use them alot on my FW800/USB drives in the field. Never an issue, sorry you and the very few others having problems are experiencing them, and if it really is such an issue...Apple has been wonderful with fixes and updates.
And, what I shoot is relevant. If you had any idea what it is that I shoot, you would know that I am ALWAYS traveling with a MacBook Pro (or 3), batteries, AND FW/USB peripherals to dump video in the field. I felt that is a very relevant task to the initial poster's ills about having a non interchangeable battery....Which, sorry, but with an 8 hour est run time compared to the 2 hours I am getting from my current MBP, I find this complaint ridiculous too. a 400% increase, 5 year and 1000 cycle life? Un-freaking-heard of in a 17" laptop with high end (or relatively high end) video processing....and, IMO, ABSOLUTELY dedicated to the Pro with NO need to carry around 3 or 4 batteries! And, in Alaska, I understand the concern of keeping batteries and ALL electronics warm and out of the elements....this is WHY I think this addition from Apple is welcome.
It is unreal how people ALWAYS find something to complain about....and I can show you threads over the last 10 years with the release of everything (new Macbooks, Pros, iMacs, etc) that begin with the "Leaving the Pros in the cold".....Well then Why in the hell do you pros even worry about, much less buy Mac Products? To me, the MacBook Pro is a solid professional laptop. More so than any Windows platform I see available.
"LOL, again with the "obsolete" remarks. Tell that to the many that use it everyday and have no other option. Not because they aren't willing to upgrade, but because they aren't willing to downgrade to some usb-onlu computer, camera, recorder, interface or whatever. They nixed fw on the new cinema display, they removed firewire completely from the MacBook, and in all practicality (because of the chipset, mostly) from the MacBook "Pro", and you STILL try to argue that FireWire is "obsolete" and we should go USB, not recognising that "obsolete" entails that there is no use for it. Back when, you used examples where each and everyone of them were examples where there were a better heir to take it's place.
It really is funny: You pretend to be offended and claim sarcastically that I "know" what your needs are. Then moments after, you claim that entire industries should simply "move forward" and make it work with what is offered right now and what is (not) on the horizon from Apple. I'm grateful we have someone like you to tell us that we should all buy our stuff we use for a living in Best Buy."
Dude....you are a COMPLETE clown! Once again, never said FW was obsolete, but that that is the way its going (Remember, Apple invented it, Apple got rid of it....That means it is going to be F U K C n I G obsolete. Fill in the blanks bro....the inventor has invented something else and he doesn't want to put it on his machine anymore....>GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE!
Obsolete, Definition: "disused: no longer in use" from Webster
Now, is FW 400 obsolete in the new world of Apple computers? YES, in fact it has been "disused" and it is "No longer in use" Therefore, by definition, FW400 is obsolete from the computer maker that invented it. BUT, FW is not dead, 800 is Awesome! Will it catch on? Dunno Is it backwards compatible? In the few cases I have used, yet....in The Salad Tosser's world? Nope!
Obsolete tech, it's old....been around a long time! I will miss it....even though manufacturers are still making FW 400 gear, I Would BET money that we see significantly less as this year progresses, considering the moves Apple is making!
Please, once again....get your **** straight dude....you are a total MESS! Never said by your **** at Best Buy....I said most people do, and I am right. You need to clean out the wax or learn how to read.
Few shop at CDW and OWC
"FW-equipped shipped computers were UP last year."
Really>Show me the stat, other than the fact Apple continues to impress with their gear and make moves on the PC market.....show me where you found that stat. I call BS (unless directly attributed to the fact that Apple is now selling more computers than ever and were FW equipped).
"LOL, and that comes from a proponent of the tech? That comes from someone who states that FW is obsolete and we should "Move on"? Are you freaking kidding me? I need to make a living, and from what you claim, so do you, yet you argue that although 3.0 will be slow and buggy at first, although 3.0 isn't even near out yet, we should simply "move on" to USB 2.0 right now? Oh, and we should also just buy our stuff in Best Buy "because that's were most of the world buys their stuff from".
Unreal."
Are YOU kidding me? I AM making a living now, so are ALL of use in the profession, with Mac Computers.....there are PLENTY of choices on the market, right now, that satisfy your needs! My point earlier....if you need FW 400, buy a 17" Mac Pro from 2 weeks ago! There are still plenty at every Mac store in the country, Best Buy Too! If you can't make money with what is available to you technology wise....you need to find a different career, just goes to show how clueless you are....or bitching about Apple to bitch....maybe you're jealous? Do you even own a Mac
"Oh, great example. I notice that although you claim to speak of the last 20 years, you only mention something that happened within the last couple of years.
So, idiots arguing about what's the best consumer format to watch videos on is the same as people using and needing FW for work and in the field. Yup, that sure makes sense. You surely know how to use some valid examples
Apple and their design team are SO far ahead of you...and they DO program to Professionals Just try a PeeCee and You'll understand
Speaking of fanboys (I reckon it must have been projection on your part when you used the term "fanboy"):
You say "PeeCee", it's a quite telling way of putting it. Telling about the fanboyism on your behalf, that is.
Secondly, moving back five or ten years technology-wise is certainly not "ahead" of me, nor is catering to the consumer-only "ahead of" me. But what exactly is "ahead" of me?
Catering to the lowest common denominator consumer?
Nixing FW?
Using inferior FW chipsets?
Having built-in batteries?
Use old tech (in some of their offerings)?
Going all-glossy?
Seriously, what is "
HD-DVD came to mind because it was recent. I can go back to VHS/Beta or Even Mac/PC....or any other format war in between. I think it is a valid example as they are two different technologies that do the SAME FREAKING THING!!! Hence, the reason they don't co-exist. You need to get a handle on how technology works. You need to figure out how to make it work for you. If Apple can't offer you a product that works, buy something else~!
Good Lord...I have NEVER done that before! (Quoted someone's comments) You probably catch me rambling and true, there may be some irrelevance that I mentioned....just felt like I needed to introduce myself to you, since you already knew SO much about me. I feel that what I do and have done is VERY relevant.> I have Mac Book pros....use them in the field. Use with FW. Excited about BIG battery life! Not worried about changing it out, because I can get a hell of a day in, in 8 hours
I think You, MR> Tosser, need to get a life! I will NEVER do that again. Takes way too much time and I think I have made my points. It is really hard to believe you have a job Tosser....as much time and energy as you put in to arguing invalid, immature points with other forum members. Keep in mind, this is a public forum....all info is welcome from newbies, to the Wise ones.
Mark my words, FW400 is on it's last leg! It's is old technology. USB is just as old, but much more favored by the industry (as you can see in it's implementation). Didn't want you to get such an idea as it being the most FORWARD technology in the world....but it is keeping pace and still kicking ASS! Doesn't the new MacBook(non)Pro have 3 or 4 USB inputs?
K...Seriously I will never Do that again. Ridiculous waste of time, as it is evident that the Salad Tosser cannot read correctly or is only interested in putting his words in my mouth....I am bowing out! Made My Peace! I have 3 edits and a show tonight.....Gotta Get to Work!!!
Peace
J
Wait, so although you – once again (and later on your huge, huge post) once again claim that you never said that USB is step forwards technology wise, here you are at your opening, saying the same thing again.
Ah, yes. The McDonald's argument … As you know, an appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy, and in this case, popularity does not mean it's superiour technologywise.
I'm sorry, but you obviously are a USB fanboy and although you have your own party-company, you obviously have no clue when it comes to why we use firewire. Most of what you said is only true for a narrow, albeit popular niche.
First of all, you go on about USB 3 as if it already existed. I don't do my work in some utopian future, I do it now. Until I see it, it's of no use to me. As it stands, you're saying that USB NOW is superior to FW, and that with some promised future technology we won't have any problems whatsoever. You have to be freaking pulling my leg!
Also, speed and bandwidth aren't exactly the same. Why do you think we talk about full- and half-duplex and so on? You claim to be a "firewire fanboy", yet you are arguing the exact opposite, acting like the USB fanboy you pretend not to be.
Just because USB is more popular doesn't make it better tech-wise. Nor does popularity amongst low end consumers mean that pros should then use the same equipment.
Exactly.
Okay, that settles it, then. I was hoping I somehow misinterpreted you. But I see no point in debating anything related to my work with someone who in all seriousness thinks I should use consumer products for what I do for a living and that whatever can be had in your nearest Best Buy is "all I can buy" (get hold of, and shoul be able to get hold of).
No, you're right. You don't control anything, nor do I. Just because something is popular does not mean it is technologically superior. I wonder when that foreing concept will sink in.
No it wasn't. Using logical fallacies and whatnot in one's argumentation and pretending to like something, yet are totally blind to factual benefits of said technologically is certainly intellectual dishonesty.
Hmm, I never said anything about your person or personality being dishonest. I pointed out your argumentation was intellectually dishonest.
Ha ha, are you kidding again? I have shown time and time again how you claim one thing, only to argue the opposite.
As mentioned earlier, I really don't take someone seriosuly, when they argue I should only buy my stiff at consumer outlets and I ought to be albe to get by using consumer tech, AND that the only stuff I can (and ought to) buy is from such consumer outlets.
Ever heard of professional niches? You think that because Schoeps doesn't sell as many microphones as the types they put in PDAs and phones, they're a dying breed? The same goes for computers, recorders, cameras and what have you: There will always be someone who will tap into the pro market if there is an opening. By your argumentation, camera manufacturers who caters to the pro segment are a dying breed too, and the pro photographers should give up and begin using what the lowest common denominator consumer uses. I guess they should forego stand-alone cameras entirely and simply use whateer camera is in the nearest iPhone. ...
And there it was. "Time to move forward" when speak of technology usually means "moving forward", not BACK to what we had to put up with five or ten years ago. What's so hard to get? Funnily, your opening statement contradict what you just said.
Of course you haven't heard of them. Obviously you are not in a a field where FW is everywhere. "Clown-town"? Are you trying to act as immature as you accuse me for?
Ah, yes. Wonderful updates like using an inferior agere chipset, or not even being able to use a TI-equipped FW-expresscard adaptor when running OS X – an adaptor which works splendidly if you boot into windows. Sure, apple is the shytt when it comes to fixing problems and giving people updates. Hell, I also liked how they constantly update their pro apps (that was sarcasm, by the way).
Not in the least. It could have served as a good example and will in some contexts, but not in this.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but although we cannot compete with extreme alaskan temperatures, we do have quite the chilly weather in Scandinavia.
This is ironic, coming from someone who purports to be a) an "FW fanboy", b) a pro (although indirectly), and c) pretends to know more about other fields than his own DJ'ing and party-lighting, telling us that we should not worry. For a start, go look up terms like "ENG", "Field editor", "Field recorder" and so on. You will be amazed. And what do you know – we actually have to do much of it outside.
I'm sorry, but how old are you exactly when you feel the need to say something like that? You ARE trying to tell me and anyone else in my field what we need, and how obsolete firewire is. But I guess it's easier to call me a clown than use actual arguments.
Wow. And you're calling me a clown? You DO realise I have quoted most anything you have said, and that you have several times called it obsolute both directly and indirectly, right?
Again, Apple isn't the only ones selling FW equipped laptops. I think you should try to come out of your Apple-induced vacuum more often.
Fill in the blanks bro....the inventor has invented something else and he doesn't want to put it on his machine anymore....>GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE!
Obsolete, Definition: "disused: no longer in use" from Webster
Whereas I am fully aware of the meaning of the word, it seems you're not even aware of when you're using it.
As I said – utterly unaware …
You realise that the only difference is speeds, right?
in The Salad Tosser's world?Oh, great, more third-grader tactics. How "mature" …
And again …
This is really, really funny considering you are arguing the case that we ought to buy all our gear there, and whatever is at best buy is what is "out there". You even acknowledged so further up.
No, I won't give you the link, because I know you will simply dismiss it. But here's a hint at where you can get those stats: The IEEE organisation.
Ah, yes, we should all take advice on what to use and not to use from a DJ and "light master" who knows nothing about our particular niche. I guess I should use your set up when out in the field as well."LOL, and that comes from a proponent of the tech? That comes from someone who states that FW is obsolete and we should "Move on"? Are you freaking kidding me? I need to make a living, and from what you claim, so do you, yet you argue that although 3.0 will be slow and buggy at first, although 3.0 isn't even near out yet, we should simply "move on" to USB 2.0 right now? Oh, and we should also just buy our stuff in Best Buy "because that's were most of the world buys their stuff from".
Unreal."
Are YOU kidding me? I AM making a living now, so are ALL of use in the profession, with Mac Computers.....there are PLENTY of choices on the market, right now, that satisfy your needs! My point earlier....if you need FW 400, buy a 17" Mac Pro from 2 weeks ago! There are still plenty at every Mac store in the country, Best Buy Too! If you can't make money with what is available to you technology wise....you need to find a different career, just goes to show how clueless you are....or bitching about Apple to bitch....maybe you're jealous? Do you even own a Mac
I never spent much time. I type fast and I don't have difficulties making a coherent argument. But your point is well taking, and from reading your thread were you state something one moment only to argue the opposite, where you state one thing only to claim you never said and so on and so forth, does get tiresome. Even to me.
Ah, yes, the old "If you're able to spend a little time arguing, and because I, myself, are really slow when doing it, let's try an ad hominem and suggest the opponent doesn't have a job". I'm sorry, but I like debating (usually). But alas, we all know it boils down to you not having any valid arguments.
Again with the third-grader tactics? Seriously? And since I have quoted you on everything you have said (except in this post), the potential reader can judge for himself, and see that you pretending to a victim of me putting words in my mouth is merely yet another intellectual dishonest rhetorical trick used by someone who has been caught time and time again to spew nonsense and constantly contradicting himself.
Btw. As you can see, I took the liberty to remove some of your post.
IMO- this is just the latest in a bunch of dumb moves Apple has made lately. Making almost all the laptops out of aluminum and glass isn't practical for a lot of people either. Excluding firewire is another one that just doesn't compute at the moment. I'm beginning to wonder what people are smoking in Cupertino.