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I don’t mind waiting for a great product, maybe they should have just pushed this off until next year and call it iPhone 8. With the added time they could have Perfected it, and included TouchID under glass. I wouldn’t have been disappointed with 7s and updated cameras and wireless charging.

I hope I’m wrong, and it will probably be great, but seems like a rushed product they had to make choices to forgo certain things due to time limits.
It just appears to you to be a rushed product, because of all the clickbait rumor mill articles you have been reading.
 
I doubt it. The ones that trickle out early will be worth double to some people. Especially if they are in still very short supply leading up to Christmas.

Be very interesting how Schiller and Cook tip toe around this failure on Tuesday. Failure by their supply team and engineers as far as timeline. Other businesses probably wouldn’t hold an event yet if there was this amount of delay for the anticipated product, but, in the name of solely getting their quarterly financial numbers up, Apple will still hold an event and get the preorders counted up and paint a rosy picture for investors.

And, see how much they awkwardly pump up the 7s.

This is not a failure. iPhone "shortages" are strategy.
 
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Paying over $1,000 for a phone and waiting another month or two is really gonna test the patience (and wallet) of even the die-hard iPhone users.

If you're going to wait a month or two or more, you may as well just wait for the 8S model. And maybe by then the price will be back to normal and the Touch ID reintegrated.

And in the meantime, having paid off my 6S+ over two years, I can get a much cheaper SIM only plan for 12 months. It's not like the 6S is a crap phone. We are now at the point that PCs have been at for years: small changes every year don't make upgrading a necessity. Microsoft learnt that from Office. For most people the changes meant the biggest competitor to the new Office was the old Office. Hence it became an ongoing subscription for most people.

Apple may well have shot themselves in the foot by not being able to deliver on time. iPads were in the same boat until recently. Too little incentive to upgrade. Then finally they got it together and delivered the new range.

12 months is too short a cycle for phones. Even Samsung got caught out in the relentless upgrade cycle. Not enough time to test. Consumers are to blame and the media/web. We are trained into buying new new new. At some stage, "peak phone" has to arrive. The signs are there. This phone will do well but it will be interesting to see what the trends are in 6 months. In a week where North Korea keep testing missiles, there are more important things than upgrading a phone that already works well...
 
Who cares. At this point I've just lost interest.

Instead of generating hype it's a turn off. Apple is apparently Samsung's b**** now, so it's just too pathetic to deal with presently.

Apple buying up machines hoping someone will use them, is just sad.

Then again, I do want one actually :D
 
OLED screens cost more than LCD.
Not enough to justify the price increase.

It is a thing really. You do realize their is a shortage of OLED. They will only be able to produce a couple millions units for now. If the "8" was the only model they were putting up for sale, there will be a lot of unhappy customers. The 7s is there for a reason.
So because Apple scrambled with poor planning to find OLED suppliers the consumer has to pay the price for their shortsightedness by forking over a lot more money? Please.

If Apple couldn't secure enough OLED screens without bending over users on price then they should have waited another year.
 
I know lots of people like the latest of the greatest but honestly waiting few months can get you a great deal on an iPhone. Last year during Xmas AT&T were offering buy one get one free for the 7S. Since I use their services anyway, that was a great deal. My son is happy with his new iPhone.
I definitely not paying over $1k if these rumors are true for the iPhone 8. But I can see myself getting two phone for that price.
 
The rumors on this phone have by far been the worst collective rumors I think I've ever read.

I believe the ship date or guesstimate has changed 15 times.

Do you know how upset someone would be if they said, your baby should be born on the 1st of Oct. No the 3rd of Nov. Wait, wait, the 2nd of Oct. Wait this just came in, it is definitely the 17. ****!, it may be January next year.
 
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Who cares. At this point I've just lost interest.

Instead of generating hype it's a turn off. Apple is apparently Samsung's b*** now, so it's just too pathetic to deal with presently.

Apple buying up machines hoping someone will use them, is just sad.

Kind of agree, I was excited at the beginning of the year, but now I don't care. I'll stick with my 6s for another year or two. It's paid off and I already bought a DSLR, which is the only reason I was going to upgrade, that and the Oled screen. But really until cellular networks radically improve I think I'm getting off this gravy train. What's the point of a $1K phone when it rarely works when I really need it to?
 
If you're going to wait a month or two or more, you may as well just wait for the 8S model. And maybe by then the price will be back to normal and the Touch ID reintegrated.

And in the meantime, having paid off my 6S+ over two years, I can get a much cheaper SIM only plan for 12 months. It's not like the 6S is a crap phone. We are now at the point that PCs have been at for years: small changes every year don't make upgrading a necessity. Microsoft learnt that from Office. For most people the changes meant the biggest competitor to the new Office was the old Office. Hence it became an ongoing subscription for most people.

Apple may well have shot themselves in the foot by not being able to deliver on time. iPads were in the same boat until recently. Too little incentive to upgrade. Then finally they got it together and delivered the new range.

12 months is too short a cycle for phones. Even Samsung got caught out in the relentless upgrade cycle. Not enough time to test. Consumers are to blame and the media/web. We are trained into buying new new new. At some stage, "peak phone" has to arrive. The signs are there. This phone will do well but it will be interesting to see what the trends are in 6 months. In a week where North Korea keep testing missiles, there are more important things than upgrading a phone that already works well...
I agree and it'll only get 'worse' in the coming years. There's little more to add to phones that'll make it sensibly justifiable to upgrade - we're reaching a point of diminishing returns with little added value. Tech companies are having to rely more and more on marketing and hype to persuade users into buying something they don't really need whilst they try hard to innovate.
 
So....

* Ships later than the 22nd
* No Touch ID
* Weird looking notch thing
* $1,000 price tag
* Wireless charger won't be fast charging
* Charger in box is apparently just a standard speed charger

All of the above are obviously rumors, but if they become true then it's really discouraging and make the Note 8 look very appealing.
Hope that wasn’t the case
 
Not enough to justify the price increase.


So because Apple scrambled with poor planning to find OLED suppliers the consumer has to pay the price for their shortsightedness by forking over a lot more money? Please.

If Apple couldn't secure enough OLED screens without bending over users on price then they should have waited another year.

Or taken the hit on their margin.
 
Apple's been doing a lot of over-promising and under-delivering over the last couple years.
In fairness, rumour sites have been doing the over-promising. Apple has promised nothing in regards to new phones or their other products. The thing about rumours is they require no actual engineering, supply chains, or any basis in reality. Some of the things people are asking for are completely unrealistic (OLED for all iPhones, for instance, given the current monopoly of OLED by Samsung and lack of infrastructure).

I, too, am curious what the real selling point of the "Edition" phone will be, there certainly are a lot of rumours, some good, some definitely not, but there are no promises from Apple.
 
Don't reward Apple for this faux-premium stuff, the 8 should be the standard phone and the 7S shouldn't even be a thing.
The "8" includes a number of things that they cannot get/ship in quantities of 400K+ a day. It's intended to be the flagship model testing out new things. Nothing faux about it. Would you rather they make only the "8" and suddenly just start selling one-tenth as many phones?
 
I'm just mad now as I need my fix. I go to my dealer and he say's next week? Next month?

Not a pretty picture. So there's those Korean guys down the street with decent sh** , but I have only so much cake, having sold myself already this month.

I'm getting old :(
 
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The "8" includes a number of things that they can't get/ship in quantities of 400K+ a day. It's intended to be the flagship model testing out new things. Nothing faux about it. Would you rather they make only the "8" and suddenly just start selling one-tenth as many phones?
No, I'd rather they don't have this odd "premium" phone alongside the "standard" models at all and wait until they can deliver on their vision in sufficient quantities.

Just releasing a 7S with internal updates would have been mighty disappointing, certainly, but the S8 really is a striking design (fingerprint placement notwithstanding) so they needed any sort of answer. I don't think Apple really has anyone to blame but themselves on this one.
 
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I'll let Apple try and sell me on the Edition. I love Apple and their products, so I'll at least hear them out. But if this iPhone is missing features (Touch ID) without a suitable replacement and costs $1,000. Then I will absolutely consider the competition for this first time since the iPhone 4. (I have the S7 and the S6 before that through work, so I am current on Android devices, it isn't just a "grass is greener" thing)
 
I'm on the Apple Upgrade Program. If it gets delayed by much I may be better off just selling the phone and paying off the loan than trading it in. While that might have been true the last 2 years the difference, after eBay/Swappa/PayPal fees, etc. wasn't that much.
 
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