Does anyone actually want to change their oil??? I only have to change mine once a year and that's a chore!!
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Does anyone actually want to change their oil??? I only have to change mine once a year and that's a chore!!
Well you got your wish with the rMBP! I need ethernet and i still buy media on a disc. I hope they find a way to keep an upgradable machine in the line up.
I've heard mostly negative reviews of antiglare films, but I'd be interested to see a MBPR with one attached. What others may find unacceptable may be ideal for these old eyes. In fact, for my eyes, a 4 year old MBP with a 1440x900 display IS a retina display!
I think sometimes people forget that it's not just how sharp the display is; it's how good your eyesight is!In case you can't read: I spent lot of time actually comparing the rMBP and the normal MBP side by side. All web images looked much better on the rMBP due to much improved contrast and colors. Of course they will look worse compared to their HiDPI-enabled versions, but thats not the point here. I haven't seen any hint of blur people are talking about, and I have even compared renderings of text such as this image. They clearly look different on rMBP (there is definitely some smoothing filter as in bilinear upscaling), but the end effect (what you see on the screen) is in no way inferior (and often actually looks better - subjectively, of course) to what the non-retina MBP displays. Again, the only way I can imagine people perceiving them as blurry if they directly compare them to retina-aware content (such as having a image containing text near an actual HiDPI text block).
BTW, your logic is absolutely flawed. You talk about 'baseless things' and then come with ridiculous claims like images should 'look worse by definition' . Yes, they look worse then HiDPI versions of the same images. But that was never the point.
People said the same thing about the floppy and the 56.6 modem. Eventually the stragglers got over it.
I saw one in the store the first time yesterday. I wasn't blown away by the screen, but I wasn't really doing anything to test it either.
The thing I really noticed is how clunky it made the Macbook Pros on the next table. They were so thick and sad looking in comparison.
The thing I really noticed is how clunky it made the Macbook Pros on the next table. They were so thick and sad looking in comparison.
I would not compare cd/dvd to floppy disks thats just not rational thinking. The chain reaction to no physical media would leave a wake of devastation to our economy. So, you can make your own determination as to whether cd/dvd drive are important, but they are to me.
It seems alot people in here have a serious problem with other peoples opinions. Get over it, like what you like and who cares what people say about it.
I like the new rMBP screen its really nice, but i hate the body, so what!
Once a year?? You don't drive that much... You should change your oil every 2000 miles...
Cars are cheap in the US, but if you do the same with tour rMBP then you are loosing money...
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yup, same was said about the floppy when apple axed it. I can't recall the last time I needed a disc of any kind.
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Once a year?? You don't drive that much... You should change your oil every 2000 miles...
Cars are cheap in the US, but if you do the same with tour rMBP then you are loosing money...
Actually I drive a LOT....Mini Cooper only changes oil every year or 15,000 miles. Look it up
The retina display isn't a professional feature like the machine's name implies. That means that all of your expensive professional software is going to look like crap on the screen. Have CS5.5 instead of CS6? Good luck waiting for Adobe to update it for retina. Over the life of the machine, probably 70% at most of your apps will get updated.
Let's say that you need create a graphic for a web page that's 300x300 pixels. Depending on how the software handles it, it's going to be A, half-sized on the screen, which makes judging if text is big enough on a normal screen, etc. a hassle, or B, full sized but pixellated, which just isn't good for obvious reasons. People can argue "Well, you should just be making your stuff with retina displays in mind." Well, great, but you're working for other people, and they probably won't care about that in the slightest, and won't be attempting to implement it on their site. Most things need to be what resolution they need to be, end of story.
For programs like 3D apps that are demanding on the GPU, you don't want the computing-power-sucking likeness of the retina display taking precious frames per second away from you in playback.
It's like being an accountant and having your accounting calculator with all kinds of special buttons taken away, and replaced by a normal one that can accomplish the same thing, just less conveniently.
I've seen the retina display MBP, and it looks great, both screen-wise and in design, but the screen just isn't a professional feature. With all of this in mind, none of it matters to the average user, who browses the web and does email and spreadsheets.
Let's say that you need create a graphic for a web page that's 300x300 pixels. Depending on how the software handles it, it's going to be A, half-sized on the screen, which makes judging if text is big enough on a normal screen, etc. a hassle, or B, full sized but pixellated, which just isn't good for obvious reasons. People can argue "Well, you should just be making your stuff with retina displays in mind." Well, great, but you're working for other people, and they probably won't care about that in the slightest, and won't be attempting to implement it on their site. Most things need to be what resolution they need to be, end of story.
For programs like 3D apps that are demanding on the GPU, you don't want the computing-power-sucking likeness of the retina display taking precious frames per second away from you in playback.
It's like being an accountant and having your accounting calculator with all kinds of special buttons taken away, and replaced by a normal one that can accomplish the same thing, just less conveniently.
I've seen the retina display MBP, and it looks great, both screen-wise and in design, but the screen just isn't a professional feature. With all of this in mind, none of it matters to the average user, who browses the web and does email and spreadsheets.
yup, same was said about the floppy when apple axed it. I can't recall the last time I needed a disc of any kind.
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Actually I drive a LOT....Mini Cooper only changes oil every year or 15,000 miles. Look it up
Nothing special about the Mini Cooper, but instead the oil which is likely synthetic.
Modern physical media = flash. Superior to optical media in every way (except possibly price).
Whether or not one is overwhelmed by the rMBP can very well depend on where you're coming from. I'm using a MBP 17". By Apple's own equations, the screen on this thing is already "Retina". MBA 11" and hi-res 15" MBP are close to retina as well. In other words: Mac users who own these models are, by Apple's own maths, bound to be disappointed with the new rMBP, since their retina in theory shouldn't be able to pick up much difference.
yes. actually, there is a LOT special about it...but the oil (while mini branded) is not one of them.
That's definitely the weirdest thing i've heard of....what about the sides of the MBP...you can see your desk there right? I dont get how a small opening would be distracting?
O_O ?
No it doesnt defeat the point of them...theyre called MacBooks, Portables and NoteBooks for a reason and not laptops.
these arguments look SO good on a retina display its unbelievable!!! I'm sure they look ok on the cmbp screen too but not as clear. You know I'm sure apple created these computers for us to just argue fight about over on MacRumours.
Shesh come on people.... this is just ridiculous.
Shesh come on people.... this is just ridiculous.
Actually I drive a LOT....Mini Cooper only changes oil every year or 15,000 miles. Look it up
Does your Mini have automatic transmission?
There is a difference between changing the oil filter and refilling the oil...
Also, I think it depends on how someone drives. Aggressive driving will consume faster the oil.
Calm down. I actually like the Mini Cooper. You must be one of these Retina folks who get all hot and bothered when people criticize it.
nope, was just commenting on the oil every 2000 miles comment.
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this industry is the smallest world I've ever dealt with! I always see people I know at every studio I start at! And I dont know anyone there, I usually bring people in...LOL
I recently picked up a 2 month old 2011 17" with a glossy screen for a song, and it looks pretty freakin' good, especially after putting a spyder4 on it. After reading the 'glossy screen...ptuy!' attitude on MR for so long, I really do like the better contrast of it compared to the AG.
I'm not saying the retina screen isn't great or anything, but I wasn't completely blown away by it. Then again, I'm a bifocal wearing 44 year old, so my eyes may be too far gone to appreciate the difference. Or it could be that it didn't live up to all the marketing and media hype concerning it. Hell, I was expecting it to be almost as good as watching Avatar in an Imax* 3d theater after reading all the reviews of it.
Can't we all just agree that this is going to be subjective to a certain agree and just get along?
*Has Apple trademarked that term yet?
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Very well said.I'm not sure why this has to get so personal.
If you want to upgrade the ram and play with the drives all the time get the MBPC. If you want an ultra thin next gen device get the RMBP. Are you opening the laptop all the time or actually using it?
Pretty much everything is better in the RMBP, size, weight, speakers, screen, etc. Cooling is the best I've ever seen on a laptop and I mean that.
I used to open up my laptops all the time and i got nothing out of it but wasted time and money. The CPU/GPU make the computer outdated before any drive or RAM does, generally, and those are the same on the RMBP and the CMBP, so when Ivy Bridge/650M becomes useless, so will your CMBP's. Laptops are not upgradeable as desktops are. Get over it, this is the direction of the industry. The days of replacing CPU's in laptops are more or less over (I used to do that in the core2duo penyrn days).
External Storage is easy now thanks to USB 3.0 and SSD's in a 3.0 enclosure running @ 200mb/sec.
Ram is easy, if you want to max out at purchase just do it for 16gb.
If you don't want to jump into it then leave it. But I dont get the vitriol for those who have taken the plunge.
The lag /choppy UI issues have been largely addressed in Mountain Lion, and denying this just seems silly. Further optimisations are sure to come also. This has proven itself to be largely squared around software optimisations and they're already coming.
Best way to describe RMBP is "nerd jewellery". You need more than a day with the RMBP to appreciate it. Once the whole thing comes together for you... well its just nice to be the first one in the HiDPI world
Apple does not officially support 16 GB and will not cover any problems related to such a RAM expansion under warranty. Also, the rMBP does not share the same motherboard as the regular MacBook Pro - it has fewer ports and memory is soldered, not socketed. The rMBP is obviously a much less expensive computer to produce given that feature-for-feature it is less expensive than its non-Retina counterparts.
Buying a Retina over the regular is a no-brainer given Apple's pricing.