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OnePlus Mocks Removal of Headphone Jack in iPhone 7 While Copying its Design for New OnePlus 5
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Do you honestly believe the removal of the headphone jack was a cost saving measure?
What are on about? All headphones are 2 channels. There's one channel in your right ear, and one channel in your left ear. One plus one makes two channels.
You are missing two point(s).
1.) They are not comparing the competition of the iPhone necessarily to the OnePlus, the article is comparing the jaded comment made by Diego Heinz that was made in relation regarding the 3.5 mm Jack being included on the OnePlus, which the iPhone does not have. Similarly, Samsung made a snide comment last year when the Note 7 released about Apple.
2.) And the article IS comparing the design (Not direct competition) of the OnePlus to the iPhone, and how it remotely resembles the 7 Plus.
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Yeah, there even is a video where you can see some of the prototypes and there were some good looking ones which clearly showed the OnePlus design language of their previous phones but modernized for 2017.
Why they went with iPhone clone instead is beyond me.
You only have two ears. Two channels is enough and can deliver anything you want.
One Plus is a Chinese Knockoff company whoely owned by Oppo. I wouldn't own anything Chinese that steals a US companies technology based on principle alone.
Agree, with your last statement. OnePlus sells well in my country. My wife has one. It is a very decent phone indeed at about less than half the price of comparable flagship phone (I'd compare OnePlus3 with 6S+) with all the associated quirks of Android. If I were to go with Android, this would be my go to phone.
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While that obviously wasn't a cost saving measure... know what OnePlus does to save nickles? Not provide earphones in the box.
They're really not.
http://www.soundencore.com/the-best-surround-sound-headphones-2017/
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So why do we have 5.1 surround?
How much should Ive have earned for the last 3 years then, he seems to have run out of design ideas..
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How much should Ive have earned for the last 3 years then, he seems to have run out of design ideas..
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Look at 5 year old htc designs to see where this design really came from...
5.1 surround is to create surround sound within a space. The acoustics of the space and the way the sound enters your ears allows your brain to determine where the sound is coming from.
But for headphones, that's impossible as the speakers move with your head - there aren't any acoustics, so any more than two channels is a waste. The acoustics need to be created during recording or with processing. This can be done with 5.1 processing it down to 2.0. Look up binaural recording - it's the most immersive and incredible way of getting surround sound and it only needs two channels because it mimics your ears.
The headphones in that link simply process the 5.1/7.1 channels so it sounds like surround sound - but it still comes from only two channels. The rear channels, for example, will be phased differently to fool you into thinking they're coming from behind - but it's coming from the same two speakers that are also supplying all the other "surround" channels.
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I think you're overstating your technical ability, I know quite a few people who are basically technical muppets but have no problem using an android phone.
They just aren't hard to use..
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Racist much?
All those headphone examples are Dolby virtual 7.1 Note the word virtual. It's pretend, fake, you as a human being have two channels, left ear, right ear. Unless you're going to tell me you've evolved a front ear and a back ear i can't see what the problem is with the 3.5mm jack. By the way did you have a problem with the headphone jack until Apple said you should? I doubt it.
"Unless you're going to tell me you've evolved a front ear and a back ear"
I know we don't have that, but have you ever thought why we can hear something behind us, below us, above us and in front of us and we'll know with our eyes shut where that noise is coming from despite only having two ears? I went into detail about it here.
I never had a problem with it per se, but then again I never had a problem with VHS or cassette tapes either... Actually I tell a lie, I've always had an issue with cables. I hate untangling them and my first smashed iPhone was caused by the cable as it caught on a branch and yanked it out of my hand.
I've always wanted a better-than-stereo experience with digital music. Ever since I listened to Beatles Love album in 5.1 I was sold, it's like a totally different way of listening to music. I recommend having a listen if you can. Currently everything is recorded in hundreds of different channels and then mixed down to just two - I've always thought that was a bit silly. Seems such a waste to flatten all that spatially differentiated audio down to just two channels. It just loses all depth.
I imagine headphones in the future containing lots of smaller speakers as opposed to two large ones, all reproducing different audio tracks (guitar, bass, drums, vocals etc) and combining them in ear to create truly realistic live sound. I don't believe the jack could do this kind of thing.
OK we are getting into the weeds here, yes you make great points. But the human ears aren't linear in their ability. Two ears aren't limited to stuff coming directly from the left or right. They are spacial, they can detect sounds coming from in-front or behind. My God we have gotten so far off topic talking about a headphone jack.
Did you not read my original post? I said I have enjoy GOOD sound audio, so i pay $200 IEMs but then run them from a portable tiny high quality DAC. There's no point in having $200+ IEMS and plugging them into the headphone socket on an iPhone as the DAC costs about $3 and you won't hear the difference over a pair of $80 headphones.
The person who replied to me said it's "all very good for who likes serious audio quality but others just want convenience" to which I replied in that case they can buy a cheap set of headphones and just leave the adapter in the box connected to them. It's literally no different to before for the average user - and if they're really not bothered about sound quality but convenience they'd have been using bluetooth headphones by now anyway.
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You can't afford to just buy a $20 pair of headphones for your phone? Come on man... If you use cheap headphones just use the lightning connect AirPods Apple gives you anyway. You're really clutching at straws here.
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There are no other reasons to want a headphone jack. It's not for sound quality as the iPhone DACS are terrible, so what other reason is there? Convenience. That's it - and i've outlined numerous ways in which it's no less convenient at all. It's just a non issue for any iPhone 7 owner.
That doesn't work when the use case isn't headphones or your device at all. For example, when I visited my mother, I plugged my phone into her stereo, and it doesn't have bluetooth, so that required a cable.
I might also be in a friend's car (that doesn't have Bluetooth but has an 3.5mm Aux input and cable) and wanted to share a podcast or music... and who always has a dongle in their pocket?
Who always has a Aux cable in their pocket? If you can make sure there's an Aux cable available at all times, surely you can make sure there's a lightning plug on the end of it? Having wires with adapters on the end to plug into cars and speakers might be a bit ghetto but so is a headunit without bluetooth and a speaker without Airplay
Haha that's the way it should be though
Everyone is so distracted by "How will I charge and listen to music" arguments they're missing the real interesting discussion about what the future of music will be.Of course I may be totally wrong, but I do believe big change is coming. The music industry is once again sitting on its laurels and needs to innovate again. The last big innovation was being able to download music - and that's about it. Not much has really changed in 15 years, except now we stream it instead of download it (which is practically the same thing when you think about it).
I hope for something like I have mentioned, and I do believe ditching the jack paves the way for such technologies to arise.
The absolute audacity. While I'd prefer the iPhone have a headphone jack, that is only for other people. I myself do not personally care. I only use the headphones provided with iPhones for non-audiophile listening and I don't imagine a situation where my battery is critically low and I have the insatiable urge to also listen to music not played through the speakers. Still, mocking a product you've just ripped off, wow. How shameless.