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'OpenMac' Promises $399 Headless Mac... But Not From Apple
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Sometimes there really is no other way of saying what has to be said
What the heck are you talking about?
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?&nplm=MB427Z/A
lol
I was comparing the low end Kia at $13,000 USD to a low end BMW at $28,000 USD. Which, I believe is a good comparison. Low end to low end.
Split the difference, call BMW and ask for a $20,000 USD model because you want the experience and its just not fair.
Oh, then ask if they care that someone is running a hacked version of their ECM in a cheap knock off, for a 1/4 of the price. Start practicing your German. ;-)
The cost of any product is not the sum of all its components only. It also includes research and development, design and asthetics, software costs, build and assembly costs, testing and QA costs, administration overheads, etc etc. After that there is the margin that ALL companies will keep for their profit. You dont expect the cheap PC makers to spend much money designing and testing their products coz they dont have a lot of margin between the component costs and sale price, they made the business decision to sell cheap in large numbers. Compare the PC prices between dell and sony, they both make similar spec laptops, but the sony always turns out to be costlier and better looking at the very least. The sale price is always based on how much the customer is willing to pay, not what the exact cost of production is for the product. So if apple makes computers that sell for higher price than the PC counterparts, then there much be some reason why the consumer is willing to pay more for similar spec systems. the same is true for the iphone, people are buying something more than just the specs of a phone with a large touch screen, there are many wannabee phones with touch screens, but iphone is selling at its current price coz of the complete package and the willingness of the consumer to pay for the experience. Apple could bring out a cheap dell-like system any day, but that wouldnt factor in with their business model.
Sometimes there really is no other way of saying what has to be said
Lol, I kinda feel sorry for kids that ramble on trying to elaborate something they don't know a pigs' buttock on.
That was a bit mean, but I'm not going to rise to it.
We all know the disks contain the full version of leopard, just like microsoft's upgrade disks for windows. It costs less to buy an upgrade license than a full retail version of windows. The operating system has no way of finding out if you've upgraded or installing from scratch, but you are pirating the operating system if you do not have a valid license to use it. It's the same with OS X, the license to install it states that you must have a licensed copy of OS X running on apple labeled hardware. Just give me a bit of time to find the actual text so i can quote it and prove you wrong..
Are you kidding?
According to their web sites, least expensive BMW is $30K, and the least expensive Mercedes is $32K. That is NOT aimed at the "average" consumer. The "average" consumer is buying cars under $20K. In many cases, they buy used cars under $15K.
I need to keep reminding myself to not feed the tolls...
No. It. Does. Not.It's the same with OS X, the license to install it states that you must have a licensed copy of OS X running on apple labeled hardware. Just give me a bit of time to find the actual text so i can quote it and prove you wrong..
Even if he didn't, at least he knew that it worked as intended and wouldn't cause any problems with future updates from Cupertino.
What an odious creature you are. I always love the ridiculous analogies that invariably pop up these types of threads; how some people like to compare Apple to certain car manufacturers.
suggestion: Psystar need a Paypal donate button on their website, for those wanting to support without buying or committing $399.
Now youre just contradicting yourself. Which is it, are you speaking for yourself or judging other people based on your own concieved morality?
And like I said just because its a "law" doesnt mean its unethical. Thats why I brought up nazis and slave trading, they had their own laws for such things yet I think most people can agree that genocide and slavery is rather unethical despite what the government might say about it. To think that laws determine a persons moral fiber is incredibly narrow sighted.
I can agree that stealng and theft are unethical things since they harm people. But nothing is being stolen when you put OS X on a PC, you are only breaking a EULA. Apple is not being harmed in any way. Im sure youll say "theres that rationalization again!" since you seem to have figured out an excuse in your mind where its impossible to be wrong, but there are infact cases where there are no victims. Most people can in perfectly clear conscience break license agreements all day without having to rationalize a single thing, they know they are not stealing anything and know that nobody is being affected by their actions.
You can agree or disagree with anything you want but that alone doesnt make things ethical or unethical.
I think that is roughly correct if you buy Leopard as an end user. But the question is whether a company can use the possibility to install Leopard on a computer to undercut Apple and sell their own computers and get away with it.
You can do things as an end user that a company couldn't get away with.
Cease and desist
Psystar from Miami... formerly unknown company gets 15 minutes of fame and a Cease & Desist letter. Life goes on, but they do get the 15 minutes of fame.
it's a bit sleazy to piggy back on Apple inc. success like this, but the discussion about gaps on the Apple product line is interesting.
Psystar from Miami... formerly unknown company gets 15 minutes of fame and a Cease & Desist letter. Life goes on, but they do get the 15 minutes of fame.
it's a bit sleazy to piggy back on Apple inc. success like this, but the discussion about gaps on the Apple product line is interesting.
Oh, I'm versatile.
I can use TV's, beer, lawn mowers or bowling balls for comparison if you prefer?
Cars (popular here, according to you) seem a good measure as they are universally valued quite similar.
I would have to go back and read some of your past posts to be more familiar with your style, but that analogy is quite accurate and that's probably what offends you.
Because, from that you can gather how silly it is to want higher end quality for basement prices. Unless of course think Apple is not providing quality, then I would point you back to the analogy.
Which is, that BMW's still have rubber tires, glass windows and blinkers. But it's their package and how this fits together that makes them more attractive (to some). ;-)
Hmm, I believe this is never what the Hackintosh committee had in mind, when the Hackintosh project was released it was meant for end users only and never for selling like what OpenMac did. Its a fun project cause you can boast to your friends that you managed to run OS X on your laptop or PC and they will be amazed but dont bother to really make the hackintoshed OS X to be your primary OS.
Besides, you wont seriously consider doing important stuffs on a Hackintosh, cause if something goes wrong, usually the only way is to do a clean setup again. Hackintosh is a fun project but certainly not the answer to buy a PC just to run Mac. PC = Windows, Mac = OS X (and others).
Besides, you wont seriously consider doing important stuffs on a Hackintosh, cause if something goes wrong, usually the only way is to do a clean setup again. Hackintosh is a fun project but certainly not the answer to buy a PC just to run Mac. PC = Windows, Mac = OS X (and others).
The other interesting thing in German law is that this company doesn't have a leg to stand on, because their whole business is based on what is called "unfair competition" in German law.
I don't know what mobo my powerbook or my macbook runs, but I know exactly what mobo my B+W PowerMac runs, i.e:
- how many slots it has,
- the nature of these slots,
- the max ram it can carry,
- the range of RAM timings it can support,
- the number of disk connectors it has,
- the range of CPUs it can support etc.
These are things I would expect to know before buying a mini/tower PC, which is exactly what I said in my post. None of this information is available from Psystar.
As for cards, again, anybody who runs a mac (or windows machine) based on laptop parts won't have much to do with cards, but if you run a mac based on desktop parts, then yes, addon cards are a part of your computing experience.
My pile of cards include an OSX compatible RAID5 controller, several PCI SATA host cards, a firewire card, two hauppage hardware WinTV cards etc.
Even if they're not OSX compatible I'd still want to know what slots a desktop mobo has before buying. I think that's a reasonable request Skunk.
Apple themselves feature info and mobo specs on their Mac Pro quite prominently on their website - they know that info is important to people who buy desktop computers.
Anyways, I do agree this xMac is a bit of a pig in a poke.
Another cat and mouse
While very tempting at that price, this looks like something that will not go far. Even if you install OSX yourself, the patches are going to break it most of the time. Like the iPhone, this is going to be a cat and mouse.
While very tempting at that price, this looks like something that will not go far. Even if you install OSX yourself, the patches are going to break it most of the time. Like the iPhone, this is going to be a cat and mouse.
Me asking whats happened to morals and ethics is judging? Your spin is ridiculous bud.
Again, you are free to justify it how you wish.
How you go from the legal side of software and licensing issues to the unethical and inhumane treatment of people is beside me.
One just has to assume this is standard diversion tactics to keep away from the meat of the issue.
They set a rule with their software, you know the rule and you break the rule. Even if there were no "laws" involved, you would be in the wrong. But I look forward to more senseless acts of violence and terror in your next rational.
You are quite wrong my friend.
You put OS X on a PC, you are stealing the cost of a Mac from Apple. Because it is their rules that OS X be installed on a Mac.
This is so obvious it is sad.
It's a flawed analogy, a kia isn't built nearly as well as a BMW, but a lot of us are actually running heavier duty hardware than is available in any Mac bar the Mac Pro (and that is made by the same manufacturers, my PC is all Intel and Nvidia hardware on an Intel EFI motherboard).
This machine will actually run vanilla OS X using the PC EFI hack (effectively Boot Camp in reverse) and the only thing that isn't natively supported is the on board sound - logically you could replace the BIOS emulation on this machine with Apple compatible EFI and the thing would install and run leopard straight from a regular retail disk.
Effectively we're talking about taking a BMW Engine, transmission and electronics and installing it in a custom chassis that's built just as well, if not better, and for half the price, the only difference is literally the badge on the hood.
Some of us don't see the point in dropping 3 grand on a machine that will be obsolete in 6 months (admittedly the Mac Pro isn't bad value at this time, because it only just came out, 6 months from now the same hardware will cost substantially less but the Mac Pro's price point won't drop - the old one certainly didn't), or dropping 2 grand on a machine that can't be upgraded and where a substantial part of the cost is in the display which you have to throw out when you buy a replacement.
I would like to see a system of Apple trusted partners, a handful of high quality manufacturers like Intel and NVidia who sell certified hardware with certified drivers (admittedly its hard to keep a straight face saying that, given NVidia's issues with Vista).
Apple don't have to support every hardware mfr out there, but if they would release OS X on specifically built generic systems, they'd take a HUGE chunk out Microsoft's market segment overnight, hell, they could release a $500 version of OS X for x86 and I'd buy it, it wouldn't be the first time they jacked up the price of software on non Apple hardware.
You understand it poorly. Civil law (contracts) and criminal law (crime) are two separate spheres.
When you look at the openmac, it doesn't really seem worth it:
The mac mini is quieter, has a years warranty, more reliable, has a remote included and looks great (that thing looks like a fridge imo)
The hard drive and faster processor are desirable, but the mac mini is due for an update soon.
Who is going to help you when this stops working or is unreliable?
The mac mini is quieter, has a years warranty, more reliable, has a remote included and looks great (that thing looks like a fridge imo)
The hard drive and faster processor are desirable, but the mac mini is due for an update soon.
Who is going to help you when this stops working or is unreliable?