Oppo Unveils 'World's First' Under-Screen Front-Facing Camera

[falainber]

This nonsense keeps being propagated. Does huawei mobile phone division spend more than Apple on r and d, or does the entirety of the corporate conglomerate of huawei spend more than Apple?

Does Apple do R&D only for mobile phones? No. What's your point? Besides, Huawei's R&D budget was mentioned as an example of a Chinese company doing significant R&D investments in tech space which is obviously the case.

 

[I7guy]

Does Apple do R&D only for mobile phones? No. What's your point? Besides, Huawei's R&D budget was mentioned as an example of a Chinese company doing significant R&D investments in tech space which is obviously the case.

Apple’s r and d budget dovetails into their ecosystem. Not so much with huawei. Samsung’s r and d budget is also more than Apple, but how does their dishwasher ecosystem sync with the phone.

 

[falainber]

Apple’s r and d budget dovetails into their ecosystem. Not so much with huawei. Samsung’s r and d budget is also more than Apple, but how does their dishwasher ecosystem sync with the phone.

You are just spewing some nonsense. Are you saying Huawei and Samsung do not have their own ecosystems? You are just defending Apple for being somewhat stingy with their R&D budget. BTW, in 2018 Samsung received 5850 patents compared to Apple's 2160. They must be filing a lot of patents for the washing machines!

 

[I7guy]

You are just spewing some nonsense. Are you saying Huawei and Samsung do not have their own ecosystems? You are just defending Apple for being somewhat stingy with their R&D budget. BTW, in 2018 Samsung received 5850 patents compared to Apple's 2160. They must be filing a lot of patents for the washing machines!

What nonsense. So now a patent on a dishwasher is germane to this “discussion”. You are just being critical of Apple with no valid reason. Are you saying that dishwashers and mobile phones have a common ecosystem? Out of the 5850 patents how many are actually related to mobile phones.

 

[drinkingtea]

But why is it cliche to say Apple's behind? Especially if it's true. Even if this tech is a year off, Oppo showing it off does two things. 1.) It shows that the technology is available and that a Chinese company, specifically OPPO is at the forefront of delivering it. Even Apple is "secretly" working it too, it doesn't appear that way. Which leads to 2.) when and if Apple does decide to adopt this technology, in consumers eyes (and the media-at-large) it will be "oh, Apple's finally catching up." Samsung has been touting that for years and it made them the number one smartphone manufacturer in the world. Basically, Samsung's like we did a stylus (wacom style) on a smartphone first, we did big screens before big screens were cool, hey, we did curved glass first too, etc. etc.

Point is Apple was known as the company who brought new tech to the market first, now it seems that they are too damn concerned with how thin they can make their products (by removing features and ticking off their fan base) while keeping profit margins at record highs. Every year the new hardware basically looks the same, while giving us one or two incremental new features that consumers wanted the year before but Apple withheld it to make sure you adopt this year. All the while, we have to hear Phil Schiller claim that this year's iPhone is the best iPhone they've ever made. Like anyone would expect them to make the second best iPhone.

Apple needs to stop playing the " we like secrets game" or at least get in front of the changing times, China is moving at breakneck speeds with new tech, from pop up camera (not my thing), under the display fingerprint scanners, better camera tech, flexible displays, even if they are years away, we need to see something to tease it.

As an Apple fan, I feel like I lose faith every single year. Having the iOS 13 beta, I was all pumped the first day, that dark mode is cool. But at the end of the day, I'm tired of looking at the same UI I've had since 2007, just flatter. I know the old mantra, if it's not broken, don't fix it. But at some point, you need to refine the experience. Toyota sells a Camry for 3-5, during which they may change the headlights or taillights, add some new options, then boom, they drop an entirely new design, even if the old design was well received and still selling well. When I see fan concepts of what iOS could be, that shows a new, refined UX/UI, I get so frustrated that people in their home office are producing a better-looking experience than Apple's own talent.

Sorry for the long post, but this topic just set off a domino effect of why Apple is falling behind, while expecting it's "loyal" fans to keep buying their products, like a $1,000 display stand. The groan of that crowd spoke volumes, the question is, did Apple hear them and do they even care?

I echo all of this. There has been a few welcome changes in iOS 13, but ultimately, it’s still the same, stale design and it feels even more incomplete. It looks dated (and cheap) in dark mode as well (the Settings app looks like such a mess with all of those line separators). With dark mode, all they did was slightly refine the Inverted Color option...

Yes, people in their basements are outdoing Apple design-wise without a doubt. This concept is much better than what we got with iOS 13 and the developer seems to know Apple’s design language more than Apple itself does: https://www.behance.net/gallery/80675205/iOS-13-Concept-by-Alvaro-Pabesio

I love iMessage and Apple’s stance on security, but I’m considering getting an Android when it’s time to upgrade. The OnePlus 7 Pro is a much more enticing device, IMO.

 

[Baymowe335]

Homepod is waving at you!

HomePod is the best speaker and Siri is more than adequate.

 

[sw1tcher]

Maybe in order for Apple to put it in an iPhone, the United States can force Oppo to divulge the IP first.

Since when has a patent stopped Apple from implementing something without licensing it first?

-- Apple reaches settlement, licensing agreement with Immersion following iPhone haptic feedback lawsuits

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...ion-following-iphone-haptic-feedback-lawsuits


-- Ericsson and Apple sign global patent license agreement, settle litigation

https://www.ericsson.com/en/press-r...al-patent-license-agreement-settle-litigation


-- Apple and Nokia Settle Patent Dispute With New Licensing Agreement

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/23/apple-nokia-settle-legal-dispute-patent-agreement/

 

[mejsric]

nevermind! that sucks!

 

[Kubat]

These companies are killing apple in innovation department

 

[decafjava]

These companies are killing apple in innovation department

Look at the post above yours and repeat that.

 

[ani4ani]

'compensated by software'... yuck.

Like every digital photo taken by everyone ever!!

 

[Shirasaki]

Pretty incredible to release new 2019 iPhones with the huge ugly notch when Oppo or OnePlus 7 Pro
are so much more advanced and 2x cheaper. I got my OnePlus 7 Pro a month ago and it's really really hard
to pick up my iPhone and not to feel sorry for those guys. It just looks and feels so old today.
How is it gonna feel in late 2020?

Okay. Good.
People buy the iPhone not just because of how iOS look. Stale or not, average joe just don’t care. I like to use latest tech and try out other ones. But I would not say “I feel iPhone technology is so old and system looks so outdated” like you guys are. Thanks for you guys tech industry has a constant pressure to movement forward. But this pressure also force average joes to dispose their still good tech faster because of the lack of software support.

 

[iDento]

The tech is great but how is that not a privacy nightmare? Now every screen I look at might be recording me without me knowing because it got a hidden camera in one of its corners, not that I personally care but generally speaking.

 

[I7guy]

Like every digital photo taken by everyone ever!!

Well except for raw photos, which the xs(max) can take as well as many other phones and cameras.

 

[Shirasaki]

Sorry for the long post, but this topic just set off a domino effect of why Apple is falling behind, while expecting it's "loyal" fans to keep buying their products, like a $1,000 display stand. The groan of that crowd spoke volumes, the question is, did Apple hear them and do they even care?

First, thank you for your long post.
Having iOS interface refreshed is great for some people, but many old users will then need to adapt to the new design or change because things no longer work the way it was supposed to. I think Home screen design is probably one of the design choice that Apple actually consistently maintained, not like music app in iOS 9 and all of the dumpster fire in iOS 10 till iOS 13, which is even worse now because repeat and shuffle button is hiding behind “up next” view. Even today, I still hate the new design of pulling mini player into a full screen “now playing” on iPhone, though it seems to be a bit better in iOS 13.
Design change can easily go either way as there is no “perfect design” and each iteration will guarantee a good chunk of negative impressions from a group of people. That’s why fire hose reel design Hasn’t been changed for several decades, yet nobody complain about that.
In summary, I would not complain not having a refreshed home screen. Feel free to keep complaining a staled home screen. But most people don’t care.

I echo all of this. There has been a few welcome changes in iOS 13, but ultimately, it’s still the same, stale design and it feels even more incomplete. It looks dated (and cheap) in dark mode as well (the Settings app looks like such a mess with all of those line separators). With dark mode, all they did was slightly refine the Inverted Color option...

Yeah, same. Same means familiarity, means everything is where it supposed to be, means consistency. Also, for people who earns enough money to just throw away a maxed out iPhone every single year, they don’t care enough about iOS home screen redesign.
For the interest of not repeating myself, I will stop here.

 

[TracesOfArsenic]

The company has already admitted that putting a camera under the screen will make it harder to match the quality of an unobstructed smartphone camera.

Still likely to be better quality than a Macbook Pro webcam.

 

[dazz87]

In other news another year with the notch...........

 

[I7guy]

These companies are killing apple in innovation department

How is that? Aggrandize the competitions' innovations, but downplay Apples' innovations?

 

[koruki]

I can't imagine how many "Gates" if Apple just spits a phone like this out lol. People don't scrutinize these phones even on the same planet as Apple's

 

[Kabeyun]

Since when has a patent stopped Apple from implementing something without licensing it first?

-- Apple reaches settlement, licensing agreement with Immersion following iPhone haptic feedback lawsuits

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...ion-following-iphone-haptic-feedback-lawsuits


-- Ericsson and Apple sign global patent license agreement, settle litigation

https://www.ericsson.com/en/press-r...al-patent-license-agreement-settle-litigation


-- Apple and Nokia Settle Patent Dispute With New Licensing Agreement

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/23/apple-nokia-settle-legal-dispute-patent-agreement/

I was just making a wry remark about current forced technology transfer by western companies to China in order to enter that market. Thanks for your research though.

 

[Burger Thing]

Be careful, Oppo. If you innovate too much "The Donald" will black list you

 

[jdoyle]

Its sad that new Apple products don't excite me any more and the innovation is happening elsewhere. I hate the notch so much. We need this.
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This.
A few mm of bezel on top aren't a big deal, just put the camera and other sensor there. Maybe in the future Apple will get rid of the notch in favour of a smaller bezel side-to-side, I'd be happy with that

Agreed. Surely they can shrink the Face ID and Camera into a think bezel.

 

[matc]

Apple filed a patent for something similar back in 2006. No idea why this has not been mentioned in the article.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/0...lcd_display_that_also_takes_photos_video.html

This could revolutionize communication if the camera would be placed at eye level of the person you see on screen. This would make "eye contact" possible - one of the main differences between face to face communication and video calls.

 

[ROGmaster]

What's so much more advanced about the OnePLus 7 over, say, the iPhone XR?

The screen(1440p, 90Hz refresh rate, HDR10+), the charging tech, the modem, the multiple camera options, the overall design.
All for a lower starting price.
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iPhone X/XS/Max/XR have one display advantage that others do not at the time, a bezels-less bottom section (no chin). Other manufacturers have an advantage only on the camera area of the display such as hole-punch, under glass. I would not call any present display solution a clear winner, all have pros and cons.

It not much of an advantage honesty.
We are talking about 1-1.5mm in the end so a very small difference.
And I doubt iphone XR's bottom bezel is smaller than OP 7 Pro's.

 

[ROGmaster]

Apple filed a patent for something similar back in 2006. No idea why this has not been mentioned in the article.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/0...lcd_display_that_also_takes_photos_video.html

This could revolutionize communication if the camera would be placed at eye level of the person you see on screen. This would make "eye contact" possible - one of the main differences between face to face communication and video calls.

That patent never materialized into anything so it's irrelevant.