Android manufacturers aren’t even in the same conversation with Face recognition. By the time they crack it, they’ll probably have to reintroduce the ugly notch when Apple has found a way to hide it.
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Oppo Unveils 'World's First' Under-Screen Front-Facing Camera
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You’re right nobody knows what Apple will do, but they don’t seem to want to go down certain paths, which is why they didn’t implement a pop-up camera. Unless these software algorithms are dead-on I can’t see Apple implementing anything like this. The same goes for an alleged in screen FPS, unless it’s spot on, I can’t see Apple implementing it. (Not that they would anyway)
Depending on quality I'd take it. I don't need crystal clear shots. Just something usable for video calls that we do relatively infrequently.
In terms of how this relates to Apple, my suspicion is that the bottleneck will be faceid and not likely photo quality.
In terms of how this relates to Apple, my suspicion is that the bottleneck will be faceid and not likely photo quality.
But why is it cliche to say Apple's behind? Especially if it's true. Even if this tech is a year off, Oppo showing it off does two things. 1.) It shows that the technology is available and that a Chinese company, specifically OPPO is at the forefront of delivering it. Even Apple is "secretly" working it too, it doesn't appear that way. Which leads to 2.) when and if Apple does decide to adopt this technology, in consumers eyes (and the media-at-large) it will be "oh, Apple's finally catching up." Samsung has been touting that for years and it made them the number one smartphone manufacturer in the world. Basically, Samsung's like we did a stylus (wacom style) on a smartphone first, we did big screens before big screens were cool, hey, we did curved glass first too, etc. etc.
Point is Apple was known as the company who brought new tech to the market first, now it seems that they are too damn concerned with how thin they can make their products (by removing features and ticking off their fan base) while keeping profit margins at record highs. Every year the new hardware basically looks the same, while giving us one or two incremental new features that consumers wanted the year before but Apple withheld it to make sure you adopt this year. All the while, we have to hear Phil Schiller claim that this year's iPhone is the best iPhone they've ever made. Like anyone would expect them to make the second best iPhone.
Apple needs to stop playing the " we like secrets game" or at least get in front of the changing times, China is moving at breakneck speeds with new tech, from pop up camera (not my thing), under the display fingerprint scanners, better camera tech, flexible displays, even if they are years away, we need to see something to tease it.
As an Apple fan, I feel like I lose faith every single year. Having the iOS 13 beta, I was all pumped the first day, that dark mode is cool. But at the end of the day, I'm tired of looking at the same UI I've had since 2007, just flatter. I know the old mantra, if it's not broken, don't fix it. But at some point, you need to refine the experience. Toyota sells a Camry for 3-5, during which they may change the headlights or taillights, add some new options, then boom, they drop an entirely new design, even if the old design was well received and still selling well. When I see fan concepts of what iOS could be, that shows a new, refined UX/UI, I get so frustrated that people in their home office are producing a better-looking experience than Apple's own talent.
Sorry for the long post, but this topic just set off a domino effect of why Apple is falling behind, while expecting it's "loyal" fans to keep buying their products, like a $1,000 display stand. The groan of that crowd spoke volumes, the question is, did Apple hear them and do they even care?
Do you want a financial meltdown by shutting down FB, Instagram and WhatsApp?
Shooting through the display is a bit like shooting through some sort of mesh. For cameras with large lenses (ie, diameter measured in inches not millimetres) this could be a mosquito net or simply fine condensation on a lens achieved by breathing on it. Applied to varying degrees, these are longstanding techniques to achieve a soft-focus effect. The effect will vary a lot depending the size of the 'holes' in the mesh relative to the lens diameter, the distance from the lens, the ratio between hole and blocking part and the optical properties of the parts that do the blocking (water droplets from condensation are less blocking light and more reflecting and redirecting the light).
The result often can look like how things in fog look like (though with actual fog the effect varies with distance which it obviously is not the case in this situation). Here is a pretty heavy example that can be achieved by breathing on the lens:
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=17520657
To compensate for this, you can pump up the contrast in post (incl. local contrast enhancement aka sharpening) but since you've only captured a reduced brightness range you'll end up with a magnification of capture imperfections (blur, noise, compression). See this comparison (I don't think the results from the Oppo version will be nearly as bad but it shows you the direction):
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The stand - yea - but the Mac Pro is actually fairly priced for it's intended purpose and audience.
Much of your post speaks to how little real innovation there is - looking different year to year is not innovation. I mean how much more can you do with the tech? Refinements yea and this may be good. Stylus never really caught on - smartphones are not tablets.
Please link the fan concepts of "new" UX/UI for iOS and I honestly have not seen anything drastically new in Android UI either. Thoughtful post however.
My finger also unlocked my phone, my finger also was used to make payments. If facial recognition technology's only real advantage is making silly animojies and that is what is prohibiting a more sleek and appealing design, then I have to call into question, what the hell is Jony Ive even being paid to do? I'd love to use the phrase "What would Steve think," but that's neither here nor there. Ive is still an Apple employee or he at least gets paid by them, but it's become very clear that he is far from making the decisions when it comes to design.
Many reports still deem fingerprint sensors as the safer security option, but I'm not going to debate experts. My point is that the true depth camera setup, isn't really needed and if it's only "REAL" selling point is animated faces that you send to your friends and family, I again fail to see why Apple is doing what they are doing.
Most companies do this such as Apple, Google, etc. I am not sure if you are familiar with how the rear camera on the XR works for portrait pics or how NightSight works.
Oppo states that it will be on par, it definitely cannot be worse than the camera resolution and quality on the 2018 MBA or even the MacBook. Google has proven that via software it can benefit image quality in low light, and Apple does this too with making image quality soft for selfies. I am more concerned with the rear camera quality to be honest, the front camera is mainly for video chat and the random selfies that will probably be forgotten in months or years as it's usage is mainly to post on social media, which is a trash heap to begin with.
I concur with others who state that the quality will improve, it is a great first step. Congratulations Oppo!
Sure. I'm not going to spend all day, but here are just a few that popped up via Google that I think look nice or just offer a slight redesign to make things feel new.
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With many camera's, I suspect that quality in bright or normal ambient light is great and low light is terrible. Even with the better rear camera's on phones, low light is always a problem with the exception of Google's NightSight software processing.
I am always confused when people claim first is not the best, however if Apple released something first like FaceID, then it is the best. Maybe these fan's are blinded that another company cannot release something refreshing and with time will improve upon it.
These users forget TouchID Gen 1, it was slow and not very accurate. Compare that to Gen 2, which is excellent. Apple also learning and makes improvements from its implemented technology, the fact being nothing is perfect from it's initial release as you have a limited data set to work with. FaceID on iPad Pro for example works in all orientations, which on iPhone X/XS/Max/XR only works in a single orientation. To me on iPhone it is a step back in this regard as TouchID would unlock in all orientations. Will Apple improve on this and adopt iPad Pro's FaceID unlock orientation, I sure hope so. Plus the angle to scan require improvements too.
FaceID iPhone gen 1
FaceID iPad Pro gen 1.5
Awaiting FaceID gen 2.0
Oppo shows a cool innovation that will hopefully be included in all phones from all manufacturers in the near future and all I see is 3 pages of arguing if Apple is behind or not. Can't we all just enjoy innovation, whether it be from Apple, Oppo, Samsung or whomever.
I agree. Fanboyism overtakes all rational thinking.
iPhone X/XS/Max/XR have one display advantage that others do not at the time, a bezels-less bottom section (no chin). Other manufacturers have an advantage only on the camera area of the display such as hole-punch, under glass. I would not call any present display solution a clear winner, all have pros and cons.
In Apple's defense, I would like to think they would consider the loss in image quality too great to release something like this. Also, they need to account for the Face ID tech which needs as clear a view of someone's face as possible. I could see them watching how this goes, then improving upon the idea, perhaps in next year's iPhone full redesign?
Call it Apple marketing, it is a detriment to they cause unfortunately. Apple does a fine job of marketing, however what people then believe that these features have been innovated by Apple due to marketing.
I am just looking at this rationally while some emotionally. Apple has gotten into trouble in the past for claiming that the original MBA was the thinnest lightest laptop in the world, which in fact it was Sony (if not mistaken). Apple changed the marketing, however people still believed the claim unfortunately.
And on laptop/desktop screens pleae. I think I saw Apple patent this idea years back, but have yet to follow through on delivering the tech.
Apple has known to soften (beautify) selfie pictures. If I wanted my pictures softened, I want the option to turn this on/off. Granted the concern with FaceID, however I believe there were reports awhile ago that Apple was working on under glass FaceID sensors. Maybe a smaller notch, yeah.
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Hopefully it cannot be any worse than the 2018 MBA or MB camera's.
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China has a bad reputation because of it's Human Rights, which unfortunately tarnishes all they other efforts in the general public view. It makes matter's worse with censorship, etc. However this is just the reason why people associate with your comments. Not going to go into it as this is not the forum to discuss.