Apple isn’t behind on anything. If you think about it, Face ID was the first of its kind to offer 3-D facial mapping before any other manufacture even introduced their version of Face ID. The reality is, some of these new features that are offered by other competitors maybe the first, but they may not be as refined if Apple does release their version of a Camera under the display. Either way, the ‘end goal’ is competition is a good thing, and that strives for each manufacturer to think differently.
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Oppo Unveils 'World's First' Under-Screen Front-Facing Camera
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Apple isn’t behind on anything. If you think about it, Face ID was the first of its kind to offer 3-D facial mapping before any other manufacture even introduced their version of Face ID. The reality is, some of these new features that are offered by other competitors maybe the first, but they may not be as refined if Apple does release their version of a Camera under the display. Either way, the ‘end goal’ is competition is a good thing, and that strives for each manufacturer to think differently.
HDR no-notch super-hires screen, with 90Hz refresh rate, so everything is so amazingly smooth
(you must see it to understand). Sorry, Xmax looks like a toy next to it, XR? don't even bring it...
Charging is super fast, I get almost full in 20 minutes. Completely changed my charging habits.
Great, great OS, full flexibility, a great file system. A great camera, so much better than Apple's.
So much more it's not even funny.
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After 12 years of iPhones I lost it and promised myself "enough is enough". I was living under a rock.
A good version of Android - like OnePlus is much much better than iOS.
And a great modern phone is much much better than the same old same old iPhone...
Don't even start the price conversation...
Well I'm certainly glad you're not the one calling the shots there.
I wonder how many people said the same thing about the Galaxy Fold.
Two posts below. Lolor the "when Apple finally gets around to doing it, it will be so much better" cliche?
? Apple wasn’t the first to incorporate Facial recognition on Phones and nobody said it was. The critics got this wrong about the fans of the products. What Apple did release however was very good with Face ID. They tend to release last but be the best first, touch id gen 1 was the best at the time it was released.
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Gotta give these Chinese companies props. Even if the quality sucks or it's unreliable, they are pushing forward.
There's nothing special about Fake ID which will turn out to be another 3D Touch gimmick that will removed eventually.
What exactly did Apple bring to the market first? Hasn’t it always been apples MO to not be first? Also these Chinese companies have the luxury of not needing to produce at the volumes Apple and Samsung do.
You really need to stop this silly comparison. The notch is a non-issue, for one. Second, it houses the FaceID camera, not just the selfie camera.
It's pretty pathetic that people demand edge-to-edge, Apple delivers, with a minor compromise, then they bitch about the compromise. Some people will never just be happy.
Glad Apple doesn’t get its requirements from
There's nothing special about this Fake News comment which has turned out to be another unfounded, non-scientific claim in a YouTube video.
Face ID learns over time. It gets more and more precise with each scan. That video fails to provide concrete details on when Face ID was set up on that phone, for example.
I say get what you like and that meets your requirements. It’s hard to feel sorry for those guys, what with raking in the bucks and all. But hey, horses for courses.
We hear you, but don't all need to agree with you. Android being better than iOS is purely subjective, and highly dependent on the hardware running it.
We're glad you are finally "free" of your rock. Enjoy.
WHY is it so important to so many people not to have a forehead/chin on a phone that contains buttons/sensors?
Most of the area at the top and bottom of those "bezel-less" screens only give the illusion of functional space anyway, and introduce so many compromises for development and layout it's ludicrous. a screen of a certain size and resolution is the same whether you add a forehead and/or chin on or not... I don't get why it's so taboo now.
Most of the area at the top and bottom of those "bezel-less" screens only give the illusion of functional space anyway, and introduce so many compromises for development and layout it's ludicrous. a screen of a certain size and resolution is the same whether you add a forehead and/or chin on or not... I don't get why it's so taboo now.
The notion of "typical" Chinese tech company must evolve. Many of them do a lot of research. For example, Huawei spends on R&D more than Apple.
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"be the best first"? What does it even mean? The first is the best by definition (because there is no competitors yet). The first won't be the best indefinitely because someone will improve on it. But the same is true for all other generations. Whenever Apple comes with their version someone will eventually do better too. So, the only special thing about Apple here is that they are rarely the first.
[doublepost=1561571167][/doublepost]Almost by definition, a touch screen has finger prints all over it. That should do wonders for your photography.
Chinese mobile maker Oppo today unveiled its solution to the ubiquitous smartphone display notch - the "word's first" Under-Screen Camera (USC).
The fullscreen display-enabling technology was demonstrated to the public at Shanghai's Mobile World Congress, following a teaser earlier this month.
According to Oppo, the selfie camera is embedded under a section of the display that's made of a highly transparent custom material with a special pixel structure, which enables light to pass through to the lens.
The selfie camera is also said to be larger than other front-facing cameras, featuring a wider aperture lens in front of the sensor.
The company has already admitted that putting a camera under the screen will make it harder to match the quality of an unobstructed smartphone camera.
To compensate, however, Oppo said it has developed software algorithms that address haze, glare, and color cast issues, resulting in pictures that are "on par with mainstream devices."
We won't know how accurate that claim is until the tech hits the market, and it's still not clear exactly when the under-screen camera will debut in a consumer product, but the company says it plans to launch a device featuring its USC "in the near future."
This isn't the first time Oppo has tried to innovate in the mobile camera space. The company in February introduced a 10x optical zoom camera system for smartphones, and just last month unveiled its latest flagship OnePlus 7 Pro phone, which features a bezel-free display and pop-up selfie camera.
Apple's 2019 iPhones are widely expected to include a triple rear camera system featuring wide, telephoto, and ultra-wide lenses. The display notch, which houses Apple's TrueDepth camera and Face ID tech, will almost certainly remain.
Article Link: Oppo Unveils 'World's First' Under-Screen Front-Facing Camera
Image quality is less of an issue for the front facing camera. It has to look good, but doesn’t need to be faultless. Not yet.
This will take a long time to ever go anywhere. It is the equivalent of taking photos through a lattice or a screen door. The camera lens needs to get either a lot smaller to be able to shoot between the pixels, or a lot bigger to let in more light since the pixels are blocking so much of the field of view.
It would probably be easier to perfect fingerprint recognition under the screen.
It would probably be easier to perfect fingerprint recognition under the screen.
Since I found out Apple is censoring apps, like Signal, by refusing to approve them to the app store unless they delete what is in Apple's opinion politically incorrect speech, I'm no longer purchasing Apple Products, period.
I don't even use Signal, but Apple has crossed the line. I'll look into Oppo. Seems like a great phone and I can always flash in a nice uncensored OS.
I don't even use Signal, but Apple has crossed the line. I'll look into Oppo. Seems like a great phone and I can always flash in a nice uncensored OS.
This nonsense keeps being propagated. Does huawei mobile phone division spend more than Apple on r and d, or does the entirety of the corporate conglomerate of huawei spend more than Apple?
You can ascribe your own interpretation.
Since were taking generalities, typically android copies existing tech. So the tech existing and then adapted by android and is typically rough.(Except for buying the tech outright like the Samsung FPS, however moving bezels and pop-up cameras?).
And if Apple sees applicability to the tech it will eventually release it as well.