OS X 10.5.2 (9C31) Seeded, Safari 3.1 Beta Incorporates Latest Webkit Features

[EagerDragon]

So 10.6 is about 2 years out right? When do you think we will start hearing rumors or anything about it and it's features etc? I know it is crazy cause Leopard just came out lol. I'm just curious about how far before the release things start to get out.

What would people like to see in 10.6? Any ideas, innovations, etc? I'm guessing more Multi-Touch. I think they are dripping that all in now to get people ready with the laptops. And I suspect we will see a new Multi-Touch mouse for the desktops to gain these new features that the laptops are getting

We know Bill and Balmer are going after the multitouch capability and the object recognition, so Apple needs to spoil their copy machine by taking it to the next level.

The one thing I want is being able to have my machines all perfectly sync including data files, (.Mac only takes you there partialy unless you are willing to pay a bundle for external storage and are not worried about the security of your data/documents) so it does not matter which system I sit at, the data will be there and any edits/changes I made are instantly updated in the others. I have 3 systems and will probably go to 4 or 5 hopefully soon). Ignore the different disk size for now, maybe they can be solved by keeping the most used files or some other criteria up to date. Keep my babies in sync.

 

[petvas]

I believe we will start hearing some things about 10.6 during the Apple Developer's conference this summer, though I believe that we won't be hearing that much. Leopard is so new and the focus will be on it of course. In summer 2009 the focus will definitely be in 10.6

 

[AidenShaw]

MS copying Apple on multi-touch, that's rich

We know Bill and Balmer are going after the multitouch capability and the object recognition, so Apple needs to spoil their copy machine by taking it to the next level.

Multi-touch goes back 25 years, and Microsoft's Surface computer was shown to people long before the Iphone was announced.

Apple is copying multi-touch research like that of Jeff Han, just like Microsoft is copying the same research..

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch

 

[noodle654]

There is a new seed every 2 days...this is killing me

 

[csalm87]

Multi-touch goes back 25 years, and Microsoft's Surface computer was shown to people long before the Iphone was announced.

Apple is copying multi-touch research like that of Jeff Han, just like Microsoft is copying the same research..

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch

Who cares? At least when Apple copies stuff they make it better than it originally was

 

[iCeFuSiOn]

There is a new seed every 2 days...this is killing me

But they are taking the time to make sure every last fix gets into 10.5.2 to make it the best upgrade it can be, it will be worth the wait,

 

[TheSpaz]

But they are taking the time to make sure every last fix gets into 10.5.2 to make it the best upgrade it can be, it will be worth the wait,

People will still complain! No matter how many bugs they fix, there will always be people who scream "10.5.2 broke my (insert ridiculous app or plugin here)" There's always gonna be complainers that say "Why didn't Apple fix this problem in 10.5.2"... it's gonna happen. You wait.

Get ready for 10.5.2 and immediately after installing it, you'll see threads about "What would you like to see in 10.5.3" or "When is 10.5.3 coming out" or "Will 10.5.3 fix this?".

So maybe it will be worth it... but, maybe it won't.

 

[sosumi1981]

Multi-touch goes back 25 years, and Microsoft's Surface computer was shown to people long before the Iphone was announced.

Apple is copying multi-touch research like that of Jeff Han, just like Microsoft is copying the same research..

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch

I love Microsoft Fanbois who get on an Apple-Centric sight to try and put us Apple users in our place.

Actually there isn't a lot of similarity between Surface and the iPhone. Surface uses 5 cameras housed under the screen to record hand movements. The iPhone uses a more traditional Touch interface. Also, the first hardware design wasn't even finished until 2005, so it's rather misleading to say that it was around a lot longer than the iPhone.

You're so crazy Aiden!

 

[iCeFuSiOn]

People will still complain! No matter how many bugs they fix, there will always be people who scream "10.5.2 broke my (insert ridiculous app or plugin here)" There's always gonna be complainers that say "Why didn't Apple fix this problem in 10.5.2"... it's gonna happen. You wait.

Get ready for 10.5.2 and immediately after installing it, you'll see threads about "What would you like to see in 10.5.3" or "When is 10.5.3 coming out" or "Will 10.5.3 fix this?".

So maybe it will be worth it... but, maybe it won't.

Oh, I know it'll happen. Personally, I have no issues with 10.5.1 and everything runs just peachy, the only reason I'm interested in 10.5.2 is because of the graphical changes to the menu bar, the added functionality to stacks, and the added stability.

 

[Stellarola]

FYI, The graphics update will work on 10.5.1 just as well as 10.5.2. Not that it really matters since everyone will be upgrading to 5.2

-Stell

 

[dan3L]

Oh, I know it'll happen. Personally, I have no issues with 10.5.1 and everything runs just peachy, the only reason I'm interested in 10.5.2 is because of the graphical changes to the menu bar, the added functionality to stacks, and the added stability.

If the rumors are true it does seem like everyone gets something they wanted with this release. Except maybe for Aiden who needs OSX with a fact checker.

 

[Sky Blue]

Microsoft's Surface computer was shown to people long before the Iphone was announced.

Your calendar must be pretty screwed up if May 07 is before Jan 07.

 

[BWhaler]

Have you not noticed the thousands of messages from people who can't get a reliable wireless network connection in Leopard? This is a serious problem and it's really damaging to Apple's image - OS X definitely does NOT 'just work' any more. This will be remembered by those it has affected for a long time to come.

Just because you're not having problems doesn't mean that Leopard isn't seriously broken.

Agreed.

Apple's quality--both software and manufacturing--has been on a rapid downslide for the past couple of years.

Even my buddies at Apple quietly admit to this fact.

Luckily for Apple, the rest of the industry is worse.

But things have begun to no longer "just work." Expensive equipment has had known issues for years with no repairs (30"ACD + MBP = Green Sparkles, etc.) Plus, software is getting buggier and buggier. Oh, and Leopard, released about 4 months before it was ready. Oh, and the unboxing experience is now a stressful experience as you never know what issue your Mac is going to have.

This is the Achilles heel of Apple. Beautiful design without quality will push Apple back into a tiny niche again.

 

[dan3L]

Agreed.

Apple's quality--both software and manufacturing--has been on a rapid downslide for the past couple of years.

Even my buddies at Apple quietly admit to this fact.

Luckily for Apple, the rest of the industry is worse.

But things have begun to no longer "just work." Expensive equipment has had known issues for years with no repairs (30"ACD + MBP = Green Sparkles, etc.) Plus, software is getting buggier and buggier. Oh, and Leopard, released about 4 months before it was ready. Oh, and the unboxing experience is now a stressful experience as you never know what issue your Mac is going to have.

This is the Achilles heel of Apple. Beautiful design without quality will push Apple back into a tiny niche again.

This is a big issue. People will buy at boutique prices if they think they are getting exception quality. But stories of lower quality glass in new Imacs, unresolved long standing issue, broke out of the box... even fanboys will get tired of that.

 

[AidenShaw]

Your calendar must be pretty screwed up if May 07 is before Jan 07.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Surface

The product idea for Surface was initially conceptualized in 2001 by Steven Bathiche of Microsoft Hardware and Andy Wilson of Microsoft Research. [6] In October 2001, a virtual team was formed with Bathiche and Wilson as key members, to bring the idea to the next stage of development.

In 2003, the team presented the idea to the Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates, in a group review. Later, the virtual team was expanded and a prototype nicknamed T1 was produced within a month.

...The final hardware design was completed in 2005.

There were many private and NDA presentations of the Surface long before the Iphone was announced, and long before the public presentation of Surface.

 

[mtownron]

No problems on my g4 either with leopard, with the exception of a time machine error, confident that will be fixed in the .2 release tho

 

[Chimpy]

I'd much, much rather they get it right.

I spent 3 months waiting for SuperDuper, I can wait longer for the Apple update .

 

[kabunaru]

Agreed.

Apple's quality--both software and manufacturing--has been on a rapid downslide for the past couple of years.

Even my buddies at Apple quietly admit to this fact.

Luckily for Apple, the rest of the industry is worse.

But things have begun to no longer "just work." Expensive equipment has had known issues for years with no repairs (30"ACD + MBP = Green Sparkles, etc.) Plus, software is getting buggier and buggier. Oh, and Leopard, released about 4 months before it was ready. Oh, and the unboxing experience is now a stressful experience as you never know what issue your Mac is going to have.

This is the Achilles heel of Apple. Beautiful design without quality will push Apple back into a tiny niche again.

Maybe Apple should've stayed with PPC and stop playing with the iPhone.

Apple, please focus most of your attention to Macs please.

 

[66217]

Have you not noticed the thousands of messages from people who can't get a reliable wireless network connection in Leopard? This is a serious problem and it's really damaging to Apple's image - OS X definitely does NOT 'just work' any more. This will be remembered by those it has affected for a long time to come.

Just because you're not having problems doesn't mean that Leopard isn't seriously broken.

Judging a product by what you see at forums is not per se the best way to do it.

Don't you think that people who have problems would come to the forums to seek help? And that people who don't have problems won't even bother coming to forums?

Most people that I know are perfectly happy with their Macs with Leopard.

Is Leopard perfect? No, it has many bugs, but you can't ask for a perfect product since the beginning.

 

[madmax_2069]

Am I speaking latin or something? Here's a recap:

Someone commented on Apple not supporting Classic anymore on x86. I said that it makes no sense since OS9 is designed to PowerPC, and running it on x86 is an extra hassle for Apple. I then get a vague comment about Rosetta, to which I reply "What about it", and I then proceed to further comment that OS9 is dead and buried, and pining for it is useless, since it's utterly and hopelessly obsolete.

Where exactly am I mixing Rosetta with Classic? I never talked about Rosetta until someone else mentioned it

OS 9 was PPC only right. what do you need to run PPC only software on Intel hardware ? its called Rosetta right or am i wrong , this is where the connection of OS 9 and Rosetta came into play (even if you didnt connect the 2). If Apple allowed Classic mode on intel hardware it would use Rosetta.

Apple seen it as a hassle to support classic on intel hardware, and using Rosetta to run classic would be crap, classic mode was crap even running on PPC hardware so they did it a favor and didn't allow it on intel hardware cause it would look more like crap then if it was on PPC hardware. they finally did thew right thing and ditched it in leo.

Allot of people still run and use Classic Mac OS, way more then you think. Just cause Apple said its dead and is not being actively developed or Software not being actively developed for it does not mean its dead, cause in a since its far from it. i still boot into OS 9 cause i have so many games for OS 9 that has not been updated to run in OS X and wil not run in Tigers crap Classic mode.

 

[jphall]

FYI, The graphics update will work on 10.5.1 just as well as 10.5.2. Not that it really matters since everyone will be upgrading to 5.2

-Stell

Not if it takes so long that 10.5.3 comes out first.

I looked up all the release dates of all the OS Xs, but it didn't tell the hour of the day each were released, and I don't remember even though I download most of them the same day as they were released. Anybody know when they are usually released?

I'm pretty sure they are not released at 1:30 in the morning, so I've cut down my checking Software Update to every 10 minutes.

 

[motulist]

OS 9 was PPC only right. what do you need to run PPC only software on Intel hardware ? its called Rosetta right or am i wrong , this is where the connection of OS 9 and Rosetta came into play (even if you didnt connect the 2). If Apple allowed Classic mode on intel hardware it would use Rosetta.

Apple seen it as a hassle to support classic on intel hardware, and using Rosetta to run classic would be crap, classic mode was crap even running on PPC hardware so they did it a favor and didn't allow it on intel hardware cause it would look more like crap then if it was on PPC hardware. they finally did thew right thing and ditched it in leo.

Allot of people still run and use Classic Mac OS, way more then you think. Just cause Apple said its dead and is not being actively developed or Software not being actively developed for it does not mean its dead, cause in a since its far from it. i still boot into OS 9 cause i have so many games for OS 9 that has not been updated to run in OS X and wil not run in Tigers crap Classic mode.

Alright guys, I'm calling this issue a tie due to miscommunication, okay? Now shake hands and smile.

 

[riscy]

That's like saying if a new car comes out "Well, it keeps breaking down, the doors don't close properly etc, but they will fix it later". When I buy a product of any kind I want it to work as it should out of the box. I am aware that early releases of apps and OSes have issues (I often use Beta software), but in my opinion this version of Leopard was not really ready for release, as some of the issues (especially the proxy handling) with it seriously limit its functionality.

Is Leopard perfect? No, it has many bugs, but you can't ask for a perfect product since the beginning.

 

[Eric S.]

classic mode was crap even running on PPC hardware so they did it a favor and didn't allow it on intel hardware cause it would look more like crap then if it was on PPC hardware.

I think Apple "didn't allow" it because it was just too hard to port that code to the Intel architecture. But it's not crap on PPC; programs that obeyed the rules of the Apple API should run under Classic. As an experiment to see how well old Mac programs are supported under 10.4.11 I recently took a 1985 version of MacPaint that I had from my first Mac, a Mac Plus, and it actually ran and was useable under Classic on my Power Mac G4.

they finally did thew right thing and ditched it in leo.

Why is it the right thing just because you don't use it? I find it quite useful because I have a ton of documents that were developed with Classic OS programs and it would be a major task to update them all to some new app's format. Under Classic the data can still be accessed, edited, and printed, without having to reboot to OS 9. I don't see that it would have taken Apple much effort to bring Classic along into Leopard for PPC. I suspect they did not because they're now gradually phasing out all support for PPC machines. But up until now backward compatibility has always been a top priority for Apple. It's been possible to still run apps that go back 20 years or more, and in one swoop they've chopped off that capability.

Allot of people still run and use Classic Mac OS, way more then you think. Just cause Apple said its dead and is not being actively developed or Software not being actively developed for it does not mean its dead, cause in a since its far from it.

I still use OS 9 too, for some things, but it's really hampered by the lack of a decent web browser.

i still boot into OS 9 cause i have so many games for OS 9 that has not been updated to run in OS X and wil not run in Tigers crap Classic mode.

If your games want to take over the system hardware of course they won't run under Classic because OS X cannot allow applications to do that. But well-behaved apps, ones that follow Apple's API guidelines, should run under Classic.

 

[SimonCharlie]

Please let 10.5.2 come out today!!!

Anyone like to bet it will be today?
And approx what time -/+ 1 hour?