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No, its not there. Theres no option to keep windows within a single application ungrouped.

Like old Expose? From reading your previous posts, that seems like what you're looking for. And that IS in there. I use it all the time.
 
As usual, with every new OS released, lots of people have lots of issues.
The silent majority however has no issues. ;)

10.7.2 has had lots of development time, and presumably it will fix a lot. OTOH, it is THE iCloud release, and as usual, many users will have lots of issues. :p

I have used Lion as my primary OS ever since the GM, and have never looked back at Snow Leopard. It all works great for me. Must admit, that i did not upgrade but wiped the HD, installed the GM (you know, the "ESD"-way) and did a restore of all my data.

I love Lion.

Can't wait for 10.7.2, iOS 5 and iCloud. :cool:

Just a note to Tim Cook:
No pressure, mate. Just the whole world looking at you as you replace the best sole presenter in the world.
But, you'll do fine. We have confidence in you!

And for the record I've never done a clean install of Lion. Not the first time, not since every edition of the beta.

Still works flawlessly.

Some people treat their machines like a garbage dump then wonder why it doesn't work when they upgrade the software.

Apple's software works. That's proven by the fact that A)they pushed it out, and B) the silent majority have no issues.
 
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iOS 5 beta 8 tomorrow? :)
 
Won't help with the few issues I really see, like increased RAM usage. With Lion I am finding I fly into Swap in no time at all, Safari & WebProcess just suck up RAM and seems to just not release it. Plus with 8 tabs open on mostly static pages WebProcess is taking 12-20% cpu time (this is with Flash uninstalled)

While I'm not a fan of Lion and I'm still using Snow Leopard, honestly, WHO CARES about the RAM usage? The computer uses what is available and dumps unnecessary usage when new programs need the memory. The only thing you have to worry about is if the system stalls when you try to do stuff. If everything is running smoothly, then the algorithms are doing its job. There's no need to worry if it's using 25%, 50% or 100% of the RAM. You're not getting taxed for using it so let it do its thing.
 
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Only app expose. All windows expose is gone.

Very true. Although, wasn't he talking about single-app expose?

And removing the all-windows one was on purpose. I much prefer Mission Control, both for how it looks and for it organizing full-screen apps. But honestly, it's really just a beautified version of all-windows that doesn't show what's minimized. Or am I missing something else?
 
Great fixes!

Does anyone know if Apple is also addressing the issue with Multiple-Displays in Full Screen? Currently, the second display becomes useless when running applications in Full Screen.

I have also been experiencing an issue with my MacBook Pro (2007), where the keyboard stops responding. Not just my external keyboard but the built-in keyboard as well, and if I try a bluetooth keyboard it also doesn't work. It's as if the keyboard driver stalls or crashes. It sometimes starts working again by itself. Other times I try to put it to sleep and wake up several times, with varied results.

One thing for sure, I was experiencing slow performance, but after reseting the PRAM, it greatly improved. I have also been using Sophos Antivirus, mainly to prevent forwarding viruses to my friends and clients; once I disabled Auto-Protect, performance improved even more. I would now either look for a better antivirus (is there a better one?) or adjust the exclusion settings for Sophos to only scan downloads and email attachments; that should be enough for a Mac.

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Very true. Although, wasn't he talking about single-app expose?

And removing the all-windows one was on purpose. I much prefer Mission Control, both for how it looks and for it organizing full-screen apps. But honestly, it's really just a beautified version of all-windows that doesn't show what's minimized. Or am I missing something else?

I think is there, but kind of confusing on how to use it. I'm still having a hard time adjusting to the new behavior. I also miss being able to switch spaces by pressing CTRL{Space Number}.

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No fix for Bluetooth headset users? AHHHHH!

I didn't know there was such problem. Please explain and I will test with my stereo bluetooth headset.
 
Very true. Although, wasn't he talking about single-app expose?

And removing the all-windows one was on purpose. I much prefer Mission Control, both for how it looks and for it organizing full-screen apps. But honestly, it's really just a beautified version of all-windows that doesn't show what's minimized. Or am I missing something else?

Yes, the fact that Mission Control keeps windows overlapped, even if you scroll over them so that they expand. If you want to find a window in a different app than you're in, and that app has a bunch of windows open, it's very hard without all window expose.

Mission Control works better most of the time, but it isn't a replacement for all window expose. It should be added back as another view, just like app expose. Or, at the very least, scroll wheel/two-finger scroll over them should act more like app expose, without any overlap.


Does anyone know if Apple is also addressing the issue with Multiple-Displays in Full Screen? Currently, the second display becomes useless when running applications in Full Screen.
Not entirely useless. Though I agree, the second display should not be tied to the Fullscreen app.

I also miss being able to switch spaces by pressing CTRL{Space Number}.

You can do this currently, you just have to enable it in system prefs. Keyboard-->Keyboard shortcuts-->mission control.
 
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Yes, the fact that Mission Control keeps windows overlapped, even if you scroll over them so that they expand. If you want to find a window in a different app than you're in, and that app has a bunch of windows open, it's very hard without all window expose.

I get very confused every time I read a post like this. Do you not know what apps your windows belong to? Workflow usually goes from the application you're looking for to the window that you're looking for. All windows expose threw all of your windows in a random order, so I guess if you really didn't know what application you were looking for it would help, but for the most part it made it harder to find a window IMHO. I guess if you had a bunch of documents that you had to go through, it would be tough to find the right one, but other than that, the window overlap doesn't bother me all that much.
 
Wow, did W7 have this many problems when it was introduced?
Izzat the real reason why all the "I'm a Mac" ads disappeared?
 
Wow, did W7 have this many problems when it was introduced?
Izzat the real reason why all the "I'm a Mac" ads disappeared?

Judge lion when iOS 5 & iCloud is launched. Lion is an OS that has been designed to work with iOS5 and iCloud. So of course it is having teething problems without its wingmen. Wait until November at the latest and come back and extall the virtues of W7. And before you do the obvious and call me a fanboy, I use W7 at work and have been using every Windows OS since Windows 95 so feel like I can compare the two 'platforms' in their evolution. Mac OS is simply much more stable and intuitive. Lion will prove to be that as well. Clearly with iCloud and Lion's gestures and mission control capability, Apple is trying to change how we do our computing. So cut them some slack until they have all their ducks in a row.
 
I get very confused every time I read a post like this. Do you not know what apps your windows belong to? Workflow usually goes from the application you're looking for to the window that you're looking for. All windows expose threw all of your windows in a random order, so I guess if you really didn't know what application you were looking for it would help, but for the most part it made it harder to find a window IMHO

You could see the entirety of every window, so the fact that the order was not predictable didn't matter so much. That aspect has been removed in MC. All they need to do is make it so that scrolling fully expands the window bunches. That would be the best of both worlds, IMO.
 
While I'm not a fan of Lion and I'm still using Snow Leopard, honestly, WHO CARES about the RAM usage? The computer uses what is available and dumps unnecessary usage when new programs need the memory. The only thing you have to worry about is if the system stalls when you try to do stuff. If everything is running smoothly, then the algorithms are doing its job. There's no need to worry if it's using 25%, 50% or 100% of the RAM. You're not getting taxed for using it so let it do its thing.
I am afraid you are wrong!

Safari is currently taking up almost 2 GByte in active memory and growing. It got to the state where it took all the 6 GByte in my iMac and the system crawled to a halt due to swapping.
Restarting the application helps, but I think that is just plain stupid to restart an application because it has poor memory management.
 
Yeah, this better fix a number of the problems am having ... not a big fan of Lion right now.

Unfortunately the update does not to mention Versions / autosave - or automangle when applied to SD cards, USB sticks, network drives.

tstart=0https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3223820?start=0&tstart=0

We've banned Lion from the workplace due to this (the work-around is: don't use Versions-compatible apps) :-s New macs are ordered with Snow Leopard - unfortunately not possible on the MBA.

Ive had most of the issues that are listed in 10.7.2: iCal, Mail (unstable), Wifi - and that's on a 2011 MBA - not some SL upgrade.

Actually I migrated settings from SL initially - bad idea. Lots of intermittent problems. Ended up doing a clean install through the net - took a while and needed a whole day to set up my new machine to be similar to my old one, but it worked significantly better, with the caveats mentioned above.
 
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Lol wut?

Apple's software works. That's proven by the fact that A)they pushed it out, and B) the silent majority have no issues.


A. What kind of logic is that?

"It's released therefore it works."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#Version_10.0:_.22Cheetah.22


B. Unless "silent majority" has a different meaning in your part of the country:

Silent majority (Collins Dictionary)
"a presumed moderate majority of the citizens who are too passive to make their views known"

i.e. you are saying that a majority of people have issues with Lion but are too timid to express their views.
 
i guess some people just do not like change or i am missing something

Probably. Try using the computer for REAL work 12 hours a day. Most of the people who have "no problems whatsoever" usually only live in their web browser and only occasionally use one or two other low-end applications like iPhoto or iChat. There's nothing wrong with that, after all Apple only aims at the low-end user/customer who wants a prestigious shiny machine. But that low-level usage is certainly not a stress test for a system.

That being said, Lion 10.7.0 did not suck as much as Leopard 10.5.0 or Snow Leopard 10.6.0 when they were released. It was actually rather stable for a new Apple Mac OS X release - and let's be honest here: Apple normally throws crappy beta software at their customers when it comes to dot zero releases. Lion was the first noteworthy exception in years.

That being said, I still have a couple of applications that are not fully compatible with Lion. And that is another annoying thing that is so standard in Apple's ecosystem: Apple ALWAYS breaks applications with new operating system releases, and not just a few, usually almost everything that you have installed on a system. That would be unthinkable in the Microsoft ecosystem - and that is one of the reasons why Apple never got a foot into the corporate market. Longevity and backwards compatibility are unknown words in Cupertino. Those things don't matter in the consumer market, but they are deal breakers when people actually use a product as a tool to make money.

You see, Apple does not even use their own soft- and hardware in their data centers. You won't find Xserves there and you won't find OS X on the servers. Think about that for a minute and then tell me if you like the inevitable conclusion.
 
Lol wut?


B. Unless "silent majority" has a different meaning in your part of the country:

Silent majority (Collins Dictionary)
"a presumed moderate majority of the citizens who are too passive to make their views known"

i.e. you are saying that a majority of people have issues with Lion but are too timid to express their views.


No, he's saying that a majority of people DON'T have issues with Lion but are too passive to log on to forums and state so.

For the record, I'm one of those who does experience problems with Lion.
 
Lion does have some issues. I don't experience some of those mentioned here though; such as the continued crashing of apps, etc. Mine are much more focused to networking; specifically connected to a Windows AD/Exchange 2010 environment. Nothing major, but "buggy".

I have no doubt that by the time they reach the 10.7.2 - 10.7.3 cycle, things will improve.
 
You see, Apple does not even use their own soft- and hardware in their data centers. You won't find Xserves there and you won't find OS X on the servers. Think about that for a minute and then tell me if you like the inevitable conclusion.[/QUOTE]

Is that true? Wow I'm actually shocked....anyone confirm this?
 
Is that true? Wow I'm actually shocked....anyone confirm this?

Apple doesn't make server hardware anymore, and never made heavy-grade server hardware such as that needed in a data center, to begin with.

And OS X Server was never meant as heavy-grade server OS.

So, yes, it's true.
 
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