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OS X 10.7.2 Build 11C62 Seeded to Developers

blacktape242 said:
I hope 10.7.2 fixes all of the problems i have been having. :mad:

safari sucks, mail sucks, ical sucks. pretty much anything i do because of installing lion has sucked. everything stalls or freezes!
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Must be something on your side. No problems here, on 7 computers.

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blacktape242 said:
stupid question.....


how does one do that and secondly, will i loose everything thats on my computer currently?
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Stupid response. Because the OP didn't ask a question.
 
wikus said:
This update better fix three major flaws:

1) Mission Control's horrible execution of Expose. It needs an option to UNGROUP windows when activating Mission Control, as well as an option to turn off spaces and the absolutely useless grey border and the pulling back of the wallpaper. Its the main reason why I upgraded back to Snow Leopard

2) The TRIM bug. I know its not a bug, but I will classify it as one. TRIM for 3rd Party SSDs *really* needs to be implemented. Were nearing 2012 and OS X still doesnt have real TRIM support for real SSD drives. The apple branded Toshiba SSD drives SUCK.

3) Wifi connectivity problems. Nuf said.
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YES! MC bugs the heck out of me. Also would like to see wi-fi problems go away. The wi-fi is as bad now as it was on 10.5.0.
 
whats amazing is that the bugs are report on numerous Apple/Mac sites and in every thread there's the fan boy or girl that says that it can't be happening... must be the user? Really? There are hundreds of sites outside of this that people from all walks of life and technical knowledge has some of the reported issues. I've backed up and clean installed, download the beta on top of it and the only problem I have is every once in a while the cursor sticks or freezes... so does typing. Haha... It just did it mid sentence.

I really like some of the features and some of the ones that I don't I've googled enough to know how to turn them off. Safari.. I just gave up using it. More than two tabs open consistently and forget about it. Close them down and re open the browser is the fix? That how an OS works? I've tried the SMC and PRAM resets with still the same results. Safari is Safari... only Apple can fix that and the sticking/freezing cursor stays with me. The drop wifi doesn't happen nearly as much as it use to... probably once a week. Turn off wifi and turn it on is the fix? Really ? That's how an OS works? So I'll wait to see if the official 10.7.2 clears up matters. If not then I'm back to Snow Leopard... no biggie for me. Sorry for the others that it may not be so easy or feasible.:confused:
 
GorgonPhone said:
am i the only person who does not give a damn about all the cloud crap..???:confused::confused::confused:
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Nope. I'm with you on that one. Cloud computing really only works when all these factors come into play:

a) there is a constant internet connection everywhere you are with your computer, either hardwired broadband or over the air LTE (which LTE or something better would make sense, but it doesnt exist everywhere)
b) the internet connection is fast enough to replace a hard drive's speed or now an SSD, which won't happen in the next 10 years at least and thats being generous.
c) the internet connection is STABLE
d) internet service providers MUST give you unlimited bandwidth to make cloud computing worthwhile
e) internet service providers would need to offer these kinds of services (250mbit, unlimited bandwidth over the air) at a reasonable price, which, if you live in Canada or a country where duopolies or monopolies exist, this will NEVER happen.

Cloud computing? Useless.
 
wikus said:
Nope. I'm with you on that one. Cloud computing really only works when all these factors come into play:

a) there is a constant internet connection everywhere you are with your computer, either hardwired broadband or over the air LTE (which LTE or something better would make sense, but it doesnt exist everywhere)
b) the internet connection is fast enough to replace a hard drive's speed or now an SSD, which won't happen in the next 10 years at least and thats being generous.
c) the internet connection is STABLE
d) internet service providers MUST give you unlimited bandwidth to make cloud computing worthwhile
e) internet service providers would need to offer these kinds of services (250mbit, unlimited bandwidth over the air) at a reasonable price, which, if you live in Canada or a country where duopolies or monopolies exist, this will NEVER happen.

Cloud computing? Useless.
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I completely agree. I prefer the traditional way of syncing (thank God it's Wi-Fi sync soon), and am not interested in this cloud stuff and "pushing" the same stuff to all your devices. I would rather just wait until I sync myself.
 
akac said:
Somebody at Apple posted somewhere once about why this won't happen. The reason is not all drives can support TRIM properly or want to. Apple can't guarantee that supporting it will work on any drive but the ones they ship.
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With that kind of reasoning, Apple should completely drop support for their computers that didnt ship with a video card capable of OpenCL.

Thats a copout answer from Apple. Basically theyre saying:

'We dont care for TRIM support because some people chose to buy SSDs that dont have TRIM capability. So, everyone will suffer."
 
I'm curios about the active directory fix. Will this allow me to use smb again?
 
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Onlyissues I've encountered in Lion are so minimal they don't really affect anything.
 
Peace said:
When Apple says "no known issues" they mean there are no issues that can be duplicated on every machine designed to run Lion.
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Well then they lied with every single point point update from 10.4.0 to 10.6.8. The iTunes dashboard widget errors and repeatable crash bugs were indeed able to be duplicated on every machine ... and then they just got rid of the widget, so I guess problem solved :D.

Other things that I consider known 'issues', like SL killing nested sorting in Dock Stacks, they continue to lie about as Lion didn't bring it back.

Then again, I personally would add autosave/versions/resume to the list of known issues, so I guess I'm SOL :rolleyes:.
 
blacktape242 said:
I hope 10.7.2 fixes all of the problems i have been having. :mad:

safari sucks, mail sucks, ical sucks. pretty much anything i do because of installing lion has sucked. everything stalls or freezes!
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yeah i'd take those fixes over icloud any day. If 10.7.2 aint much better, im going back to Snow Leopard, I found my cd yesterday :D
 
applefan289 said:
I completely agree. I prefer the traditional way of syncing (thank God it's Wi-Fi sync soon), and am not interested in this cloud stuff and "pushing" the same stuff to all your devices. I would rather just wait until I sync myself.
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LOL, looking at my original post with the list of things that make cloud computing feasible, it got NEGGED 4 TIMES. *edit, make it 5 and THIS post at 1

Why are macrumors members so bitter in the face of reality?

what good is 5gb storage space when carriers will not give you any more than 5gb bandwidth, both download and upload at a ridiculous price?
 
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wikus said:
LOL, looking at my original post with the list of things that make cloud computing feasible, it got NEGGED 4 TIMES. *edit, make it 5

Why are macrumors members so bitter in the face of reality?

what good is 5gb storage space when carriers will not give you any more than 5gb bandwidth, both download and upload at a ridiculous price?
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I second this:D
 
Im really amazed at the number of supposed issues ppl are having. Ive got Lion 10.7.1 on 2 iMacs and a Macbook Pro. Ive got 10.7.2 on my new Air. All run flawlessly for me.
 
MartiNZ said:
Well then they lied with every single point point update from 10.4.0 to 10.6.8. The iTunes dashboard widget errors and repeatable crash bugs were indeed able to be duplicated on every machine ... and then they just got rid of the widget, so I guess problem solved :D.

Other things that I consider known 'issues', like SL killing nested sorting in Dock Stacks, they continue to lie about as Lion didn't bring it back.

Then again, I personally would add autosave/versions/resume to the list of known issues, so I guess I'm SOL :rolleyes:.
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No offense but you don't know of what you speak.

I run a Mac Pro dedicated to new O/S releases and.

A. My machine never had the iTunes problem and
B. The nested folder problem was fixed in an unreleased version of Lion.

If you have those problems I would recommend re-installing the whole O/S and do NOT put ANY software on it that was not tested and was shown to be bug-free under Lion.
 
it's all up to you...

Oh my gosh!! To all the nay-sayers: Who in the world has forced you to upgrade to Lion? If you don't like it just don't use it - it's that simple!! We had the exactely same discussion when SL was released - but I don't hear anyone complaining about SL anymore... Kinda strange, isn't it?!
 
ct2k7 said:
I like it when people down vote posts and fail to explain why they did so.
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I down voted this for the irony. Then I realized by posting this, I ruined said irony.

wikus said:
Nope. I'm with you on that one. Cloud computing really only works when all these factors come into play:

a) there is a constant internet connection everywhere you are with your computer, either hardwired broadband or over the air LTE (which LTE or something better would make sense, but it doesnt exist everywhere)
b) the internet connection is fast enough to replace a hard drive's speed or now an SSD, which won't happen in the next 10 years at least and thats being generous.
c) the internet connection is STABLE
d) internet service providers MUST give you unlimited bandwidth to make cloud computing worthwhile
e) internet service providers would need to offer these kinds of services (250mbit, unlimited bandwidth over the air) at a reasonable price, which, if you live in Canada or a country where duopolies or monopolies exist, this will NEVER happen.

Cloud computing? Useless.
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Nope. I'm with you on that one. The Ford Model T really only works when all these factors come into play:

a) there is a constant road everywhere you are with your Model T, either gravel or some type of pavement (which brick or something better would make sense, but it doesnt exist everywhere)
b) the vehicle is fast enough to replace a horse's speed or now two horses, which won't happen in the next 10 years at least and thats being generous.
c) the vehicle is STABLE
d) gasoline providers MUST give you unlimited gasoline to make the Ford Model T worthwhile
e) gasoline providers would need to offer these kinds of services (250gal, unlimited gasoline at any station) at a reasonable price, which, if you live in Canada or a country where duopolies or monopolies exist, this will NEVER happen.

Automobiles? Useless.

Progress happens for a reason. Everything sucks at first. Just look at babies.
 
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wikus said:
LOL, looking at my original post with the list of things that make cloud computing feasible, it got NEGGED 4 TIMES. *edit, make it 5 and THIS post at 1

Why are macrumors members so bitter in the face of reality?

what good is 5gb storage space when carriers will not give you any more than 5gb bandwidth, both download and upload at a ridiculous price?
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Because you don't have to use 5GB of storage space over 3G - it does work over wifi too you know. :cool:
 
wikus said:
LOL, looking at my original post with the list of things that make cloud computing feasible, it got NEGGED 4 TIMES. *edit, make it 5 and THIS post at 1

Why are macrumors members so bitter in the face of reality?

what good is 5gb storage space when carriers will not give you any more than 5gb bandwidth, both download and upload at a ridiculous price?
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Perhaps because you listed a number of factors that would make cloud computing useful to you, and failed to account for some of the ways that people use computers that might make it useful to them.

I have hundreds of small (no more than a few megs, usually) files that I like to keep synchronized between a few machines. Other things I collaborate with others on. For now, Dropbox is incredibly useful there.

You don't need any of the things you listed in order to find useful multi-device over-the-air synchronization of calendars, contacts, bookmarks, and who knows what third-party app info to come as developers work it in.

The cloud is not going to be where you run games from instead of your local HD. But it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to think of non-speed intensive uses for it.
 
tarasis said:
Won't help with the few issues I really see, like increased RAM usage. With Lion I am finding I fly into Swap in no time at all, Safari & WebProcess just suck up RAM and seems to just not release it. Plus with 8 tabs open on mostly static pages WebProcess is taking 12-20% cpu time (this is with Flash uninstalled)
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The sad part is, while the "WebProcess" process (redundant?) was created to improve safari's stability, Apple implemented it wrong. Every webpage in Safari runs under that one process, so, while Safari no longer crashes from webpage content, if any one tab crashes, you have to reload them all... No real improvement as far as I'm concerned. The issue with any sort of implementation is that it's going to take up a lot of RAM, and there's no real way around it. Chrome's method involves multiple renderers running simultaneously, per tab. That is the right way to do it, but chrome is also the biggest RAM hog in the industry, so it's a bit of a sacrifice.
 
I was first in line when Lion was released. I couldn't stand the slow downs and performance drain. There were also elements of the UI that annoyed me (shouldn't an OS get out of the way?). Since downgrading to 10.6.8 life has never been better...
 
Re: "Allow reordering of desktop spaces and full screen apps in Mission Control"

YAY!

Re: "Address an issue that causes a delay in accessing the network after waking from sleep"

Good. Was wondering if it was just me.
 
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