NO, NO, NO, NO....
(holds onto "Quake" and "AppleWorks" discs/boxes...)
Not criticizing but how many people can actually tolerate AppleWorks in 10.6 for more than a few hours? It really is falling apart under Rosetta.
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OS X Lion to Drop 'Rosetta' Support for PowerPC Applications
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Not criticizing but how many people can actually tolerate AppleWorks in 10.6 for more than a few hours? It really is falling apart under Rosetta.
This is going to be a good reason some companies will get off their butt and update their software.
Some of these companies simply haven't cared that much about the Mac. They need to since a substantial number of customers use the Mac.
Damn!
I "want" to upgrade to Lion BUT I still use many older PPC apps that run just fine but are no longer actively being supported.
One is DISKTRACKER where I have thousands of cds archived and the other is PHOTOGRIDX to quickly edit photos.
I am going to be screwed without either of these.
I "want" to upgrade to Lion BUT I still use many older PPC apps that run just fine but are no longer actively being supported.
One is DISKTRACKER where I have thousands of cds archived and the other is PHOTOGRIDX to quickly edit photos.
I am going to be screwed without either of these.
I have that calibration device and it's time to upgrade...it's several years old now - I'm looking at getting the ColorMunki...
roadbloc said:
Vista didn't do such a great job of keeping compatible...a lot of programs needed to be upgraded so they'd run on XP/Vista, and then Win7. Windows 7 has done a good job, but Vista was the big, no pun intended, roadblock to allow that to happen....
Farewell to UT99... wait, wtf? NO: farewell LION.
Apple should have Rosetta. I can live without Lion. I can NOT live without the dozen old programs I continue to use, and I'd rather not spend $2500 for new versions after $29.95 for a buggy OS that won't be consumer ready until late next year.
Apple should have Rosetta. I can live without Lion. I can NOT live without the dozen old programs I continue to use, and I'd rather not spend $2500 for new versions after $29.95 for a buggy OS that won't be consumer ready until late next year.
There is an Intel build in the works as the source was released by ID:
http://code.google.com/p/bzzwolfsp/
Thinking about this more I think this theory has a lot of merit.
I think Apple WILL be shifting some or all of its machines over to ARM in the near future. It just makes sense to support a single chipset from an engineering cost perspective, and guess what chipset their fastest-growing OS uses? Re-writing Rosetta to run under ARM is just not in Apple's interest (also Rosetta was developed for Apple by a third party, Transitive, which IBM purchased three years ago).
If there was ever a company that pro-actively killed technology, it's Apple. By doing so it can both drive new sales (the cynical view) and add new user features as quickly as possible (the non-cynical view). Both views are probably true.
This ties into this recent rumor about Apple moving future laptops to ARM processors.
Also, on the topic of tech-obsolescence: Why Microsoft Has Made Developers Horrified of Coding for Windows 8
I think Apple WILL be shifting some or all of its machines over to ARM in the near future. It just makes sense to support a single chipset from an engineering cost perspective, and guess what chipset their fastest-growing OS uses? Re-writing Rosetta to run under ARM is just not in Apple's interest (also Rosetta was developed for Apple by a third party, Transitive, which IBM purchased three years ago).
If there was ever a company that pro-actively killed technology, it's Apple. By doing so it can both drive new sales (the cynical view) and add new user features as quickly as possible (the non-cynical view). Both views are probably true.
This ties into this recent rumor about Apple moving future laptops to ARM processors.
Also, on the topic of tech-obsolescence: Why Microsoft Has Made Developers Horrified of Coding for Windows 8
Lion could become the great "Vista debacle" for Apple. I've purchased every cat Apples offered on day one - early adopter from way back Beta version "Kodiak", then "Cheetah", "Puma", "Jaguar", "Panther", "Tiger", "Leopard" and now "Snow Leopard". Also owned every version of DOS and Windows until XP.
But I never even upgraded to Vista and hate helping others use it and Windows 7.
Lion is not looking like something I want to go through the pain of adopting for what seems to be very little gain. Some other loyal users may feel the same...
The ARM architecture is not a version of the PowerPC. PowerPC came after Acorn ARM, although the IBM 801 experimental RISC machine predated both.
iPhone OS and iOS are ARM versions of OS X, and they came out over 2 years ago.
I'm never upgrading. I have my programs I bought with my SE/30 back in the day and I spent a pretty penny for them. I'm not about to spend more money just to run these programs I already bought.
Why don't these new Macs come with a way to run my SE/30 programs? Where's the damn disk-drives in these things? I don't like new things. In my day you bought something and if you took care of it it lasts forever. I don't like them abandoning their customers and their older computers. I spent thousands and thousands of dollars on these things and they want more? No-sir-re. not from me they don't get another dime. I still run System 6 on it with the Multifinder. Works just fine.
/end grumpy-old-dinosaur rant
Why don't these new Macs come with a way to run my SE/30 programs? Where's the damn disk-drives in these things? I don't like new things. In my day you bought something and if you took care of it it lasts forever. I don't like them abandoning their customers and their older computers. I spent thousands and thousands of dollars on these things and they want more? No-sir-re. not from me they don't get another dime. I still run System 6 on it with the Multifinder. Works just fine.
/end grumpy-old-dinosaur rant
Canvas
Another program unavailable in an OS X Intel version is Canvas, once the premier Mac drawing package, but acquired by a company that reformulated it into a high-end Windows-only package that costs about as much as a Mac Mini. I use Canvas a few times a week, and I've literally got decades of Canvas files, many of which I use on a regular basis. I've yet to find a Mac program that is an adequate substitute. So I'm not going to be upgrading to Tiger until I have a workaround for the omission of Rosetta. Dual boot is an option, but an inconvenient one. I'm hoping that somebody will work out a way to use an earlier version of Mac OS with Parallels or VMWare so that I can run it simultaneously with Lion.
Another program unavailable in an OS X Intel version is Canvas, once the premier Mac drawing package, but acquired by a company that reformulated it into a high-end Windows-only package that costs about as much as a Mac Mini. I use Canvas a few times a week, and I've literally got decades of Canvas files, many of which I use on a regular basis. I've yet to find a Mac program that is an adequate substitute. So I'm not going to be upgrading to Tiger until I have a workaround for the omission of Rosetta. Dual boot is an option, but an inconvenient one. I'm hoping that somebody will work out a way to use an earlier version of Mac OS with Parallels or VMWare so that I can run it simultaneously with Lion.
They did get notice... back when they switched to Intel processors. Time to come out of the cave and notice that the world has advanced.
You were right! Thanks. Tonight I uninstalled the PPC-only printer driver for my Dell 3100cn and set up the printer using Apple's Generic Postscript Printer driver. Know what? It works perfectly. I printed a text document and a Google map and both look exactly as they're supposed to. I'm totally ready to ditch Rosetta now.
The problem is that this is not always true. For some stuff the newer software currently available is a retreat (more bugs, less features), not an advance.
I won't be able to play Diablo 2 or StarCraft 1 anymore once I upgrade to Lion. Maybe Blizzard will actually update them to work without Rosetta.
Maybe Blizzard will actually update them to work without Rosetta.I don't know what I'm going to do when my Mac Pro and MacBook Pro need to be replaced. I still think OS X is the best personal computer OS there is but its owner thinks the personal computer has no future.
Agree with you.
I own several new i7's a i5 an i3 also OSX servers and several other OSX systems. Safe to say I'm not in a cave but still can rant about this stupid move by Apple.
The number one issue that separates Windows from Mac, legacy support!
I am a long time Mac fan who likes my games. I installed Windows on my Mac just so I can get some old games, that I loved in the past, to work, off of eBay, since I cant play them on the Mac anymore. The one part of windows I do like is the legacy support. I can still play the same games in windows while the Mac version of the same game was made non-functional several times over.
Macs are overpriced as it is, being forced to get new software because the new Mac OS does not support my old software makes the overhead of owning a Mac even more costly. The costs of the Mac and the costs of keeping a Mac is the main gripe most Windows people have. Dropping Rosetta is not helping this issue any.
Now I am being told that the software I got 5 year ago will no longer work on a Mac while I have some software running in Windows 7 that was made for Windows 95, that I still like to use after 16 years. And now with the iTools, sorry iDisk, on now it is Mac.com, or is it MobllMe, oh wait now it is iCloud and I still dont know how all this is going to affect me.
This is getting a little frustrating Steve!
I am a long time Mac fan who likes my games. I installed Windows on my Mac just so I can get some old games, that I loved in the past, to work, off of eBay, since I cant play them on the Mac anymore. The one part of windows I do like is the legacy support. I can still play the same games in windows while the Mac version of the same game was made non-functional several times over.
Macs are overpriced as it is, being forced to get new software because the new Mac OS does not support my old software makes the overhead of owning a Mac even more costly. The costs of the Mac and the costs of keeping a Mac is the main gripe most Windows people have. Dropping Rosetta is not helping this issue any.
Now I am being told that the software I got 5 year ago will no longer work on a Mac while I have some software running in Windows 7 that was made for Windows 95, that I still like to use after 16 years. And now with the iTools, sorry iDisk, on now it is Mac.com, or is it MobllMe, oh wait now it is iCloud and I still dont know how all this is going to affect me.
This is getting a little frustrating Steve!
Quake works fine on Intel. Just go here =D
http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Quake.shtml
I play it quite a bit and I don't even have Rosetta installed. Its universal so it will open for people with PPC too.
http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Quake.shtml
I play it quite a bit and I don't even have Rosetta installed. Its universal so it will open for people with PPC too.
You know, I remember in undergrad using a UV/spec that was connected to an HP DOS computer to do the calculations. It worked fine for an extremely long time (yes, the computers did die recently, I believe). So the department bought some new specs and connected them to Mac mini's. They'll probably keep with that until those die and upgrade again.
The lesson here is that it is completely okay to stay with an old OS version and hardware to run mission critical software as long as you take proper care of it. It is doing exactly what you need it to do and that is great. If you want 10.7 install it on a machine that you don't run that software on. It sucks but that is how the world has worked for quite some time now.
The lesson here is that it is completely okay to stay with an old OS version and hardware to run mission critical software as long as you take proper care of it. It is doing exactly what you need it to do and that is great. If you want 10.7 install it on a machine that you don't run that software on. It sucks but that is how the world has worked for quite some time now.