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OS X Mountain Lion Bringing Automatic App Downloads to Mac

The dumbing down of what used to be a tremendous OS is depressing.

OSX is dead.

What????

Please explain how the OSX has been dumbed down?

I have Mountain Lion running and find it an improvement to Lion and believe the seamless features between my phone MBAir and desktop are huge improvements over the simple single user interface of the older OSs.

One note is Mountain Lion is not as big a change as Lion was from SL.

And I still don't get "Launchpad." I really can't find a practical use for it or for "Mission Control." Be assured I multi-task my computers all the time with at least three apps running at once (not including any pf the background stuff).
 
philoscoffee said:
I don’t think this feature installs updates automatically. It’s to ensure that when you download an app on one computer, it installs on all your other Macs as well. Like Automatic Downloads in iOS.
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I know.. I was quoting another post where the person wants automatic updates, and I gave my reason why not..
 
jclardy said:
So you save to separate files? And have never accidentally saved over the wrong version?

I've actually been saved by versions once or twice, accidentally saving a reduced resolution piece of artwork over the full resolution one. Versions and go back. My biggest complaint is that "Export" doesn't have a keyboard shortcut, as I still need to use "save as.." all the time.
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I save a new file each time with a description in the title such as MyFile010_NewIntroduction. Major save points are capitalised so I can cull the interim files when they are older.

Unless I am working in a linear way, and not editing anything, Versions is useless. I cannot be certain of the integrity of a particular section unless I read it all and can recall the meaning of every single bit and their interaction, which is impossible. Arbitrary save points cannot track what work was in progress.

Auto Save is great for some people, for others it is a hindrance. I only want the option to turn it off. I don't want the feature removed.
 
"dumbing down"

"iOsification"

"Apple doesn't care about Professionals"


These are bellwether statements that signal "no original thought will comment beyond this statement"
 
I wish I could turn off Versions on a per-app basis because the "geniuses" at ScreenFlow -- Sorry, "Telestream" -- decided ScreenFlow needed to have a feature that creates a huge multi-gigabyte copy of your video EVERY DAMN TIME YOU CHANGE SOMETHING. Apps like that DO NOT NEED VERSIONS. iMovie doesn't use Versions for this very reason. Versions is meant for apps that work with smaller files. Not ones that take minutes to save gigabytes of data. It has made ScreenFlow extremely unusable now. But when I find I need to use it, it's just a huge pain in the ass. Even on my brand new MacBook Air where it still takes a minute of spin-y cursor while it saves a Version at random moments.

And another feature I won't be able to use often. I have barely any apps from the App Store because most of my apps need to be able to do things Apple doesn't allow anymore. The first thing I need to do when I install ML is turn off GateKeeper so I can actually run my apps! It's gonna be a mess for a while when ML comes out.

At least there's still a few features I actually am looking forward to like Notification Center, (I hope Growl creates a bridge style that will let apps that don't have NC support still send their notifications to NC instead of just getting mad and moping about.) Notes and Reminders support, iMessages between all my devices and computers.

Game Center won't have any effect on me though sadly since I don't play games from the App Store. I play them on Steam. All my games are Steam whenever possible. And I doubt there'll ever be GC integration with Steam.
 
Psychj0e said:
I despair. Yet more reasons not to buy a serious machine for professional work from a phone company.

The dumbing down of what used to be a tremendous OS is depressing.

OSX is dead.
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Not dead, dying.
It's clear where they want to take the desktop market, and that's a bit of a shame. They already have a successful mobile market. Why not keep these powerful machines where they belong; In the hands of pros, students, creatives, studios?

My eyes are set on a home built Windows PC. I started there, I had some fun years with a Mac, but I'll end there.
 
The Emperor has no clothes

the_king_no_clothes.jpg



"Honestly nuck...your OS is getting dumbed down. You're losing features. You're buying a locked appliance"


LOL

Notice how everyone that tells you OS X is becoming like iOS conveniently ignores the fact that no features have been removed from OS X?

File System - Check
Non Mac App Store distribution - Check
Remote Access - Check
Scripting - Check
User Accounts - Check

y'all keep telling me you're making me a nice outfit but i'm not feeling any threads.

:p
 
Dagless said:
My eyes are set on a home built Windows PC.
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That's what I did once I saw what Lion and FCPX would be. I was able to build an incredibly powerful system for really cheap, and I haven't looked back. I expect some flak since this is a Mac forum, but I'm just saying if you're thinking about it, go for it, you'll be happy.
 
ppc_michael said:
That's what I did once I saw what Lion and FCPX would be. I was able to build an incredibly powerful system for really cheap, and I haven't looked back. I expect some flak since this is a Mac forum, but I'm just saying if you're thinking about it, go for it, you'll be happy.
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I'll ride out my iMac and see where Apple is in a couple of years. If they lock out non-App store bought apps, if they remove access to the file system... I'll have to go.

Thing is I really like their hardware. Everyone complains about Apple pricing, and whilst it is steep I don't mind paying for it. 27" LED display? Check. Quiet, solid-built system? Check. It's a great out of the box experience and it lasts for years (still using a 2004 Powerbook).
 
ppc_michael said:
That's what I did once I saw what Lion and FCPX would be. I was able to build an incredibly powerful system for really cheap, and I haven't looked back. I expect some flak since this is a Mac forum, but I'm just saying if you're thinking about it, go for it, you'll be happy.
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PC have always been cheaper to build. The draw for Macs has always been the software, integration and design of hardware. We all know what's on the other side of the pond.

To me Lion isn't a bad OS but it has growing pains that I expect will be smoothed out.

In no way do I ever think that OS X is going to lose its file system or become a locked down platform. There's little incentive for Apple to do this.
 
nuckinfutz said:
In no way do I ever think that OS X is going to lose its file system or become a locked down platform. There's little incentive for Apple to do this.
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Other than 30% from every OSX application you mean? I imagine that's quite a tremendous amount.
 
Tim Cook has not adequately managed the lion debacle.

If Stve had been alive (sorry but I have to go in one of those if Steve sentences..) a lot of heads would have rolled off. Hell Steve fired the guy the d spent a few millions of dollars in litigation to hire him from IBM (mark pappermaster), their star addition to the team featuring on promo photos, just because of the anntenagate, a design Steve himself had insisted upon.

There's no chance in a million he d have done nothing for an os x release that has been this buggy and unpolished. Autoshutdown (aka system induced app crashing), autosaves (even when the user doesn't want to save), windows restores (even after you shut down every window as in safari and logged out), cumbersome duplicates and locked files for no reason, versioning in every single app that might not need versioning... Etc. etc. there simply hasn't been almost any over the hood addition to lion that wasn't both poorly thought out in terms of its requirements and even more poorly implemented.

And these were supposed to be the main selling features of the os, because in terms of under the hood development, memory management, file system advances there was little to no work down, and a lot of regression at points as witnessed by the increased kernel task resources used and the memory leaks in safari.

I simply can't see how Steve would have left all that slide. Lion has been an embarrassment to apple, made only tolerable by the insanely good quality of the hardware current macs, and computers in general use.

Good luck with trying to fix os x with ml with the same team that brought you lion...

Btw, Anyone going for ml .0 release (and those unlucky ones with a new mac purchase...) will really be soldiers in the front line taking a hit for the rest of who plan to go in on at .1 , .2 or .3 even.
 
Dagless said:
Other than 30% from every OSX application you mean? I imagine that's quite a tremendous amount.
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When you factor in hosting, update mechanism, advertising in the store (get featured is an instant boost in sales) and the safety and familiarity that it presents the 30% is nothing IMO.

If I was designing an app that I knew would be distributed via the MAS I'd just modify my pricing to cover a portion of that 30% ..
 
caligomez said:
I definitely don't want automatic updates.. sometimes they screw up apps that were previously working perfectly. Now, every time an update is released for an app that is important to me, I give it some time and research if there are any issues with that update.
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Or an "Update" removes a feature that Apple no longer deems acceptable, sometimes a feature that was the reason you bought the damn app in the first place.
 
Am I the only one who actually likes what Apple is doing with all the updates to OS X and feels that it's getting better and better?

Or maybe only the unhappy people post about it here.
 
shurcooL said:
Am I the only one who actually likes what Apple is doing with all the updates to OS X and feels that it's getting better and better?

Or maybe only the unhappy people post about it here.
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Nope.

Content people tend to stay quiet while those with discontent tend to vocalize more.

Lion certainly has some rough edges. I remarked to a fellow Mac users that it felt like Lion was already in maintenance mode prior to the announcement that Mountain Lion was coming. Then it all made sense.

Sure it's quirky in ways and it likely doesn't run as well on older hardware but in the end iCloud already works better than Mobile Me ever did for syncing content and Quick Look (which I use a lot) has improved greatly.

At this point the only glaring item to me technically is finding a successor to HFS+ which I think will happen in the next 2 years.
 
Why are these screenshots always taken on a laptop with less than 50% battery?

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bjet767 said:
The dumbing down of what used to be a tremendous OS is depressing.

OSX is dead.

What????

Please explain how the OSX has been dumbed down?

I have Mountain Lion running and find it an improvement to Lion and believe the seamless features between my phone MBAir and desktop are huge improvements over the simple single user interface of the older OSs.

One note is Mountain Lion is not as big a change as Lion was from SL.

And I still don't get "Launchpad." I really can't find a practical use for it or for "Mission Control." Be assured I multi-task my computers all the time with at least three apps running at once (not including any pf the background stuff).
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Mission Control is just Exposé but more organized and therefore better. Launchpad is a neat way to have all of your apps in one place (instead of opening /Applications or putting the folder on your Dock).

Some of the new features may appear dumb and for low-level consumers, but they are just added features. They didn't remove the pro features. The exception is that the Library folders are hidden, which ticks me off. On a side note, the removal of Rosetta (which was not a pro feature but was useful) is annoying. The ability to save the contents of the RAM is great, and it's saved me a few times when my faulty GPU crashed. And the GUI has been improved a lot to make it easier to use.

Contrary to the belief (mostly amongst Windows and Linux users) that easy to use OSs are for "noobs", the ease of use helps professionals almost as much as it helps my grandma.
 
Moonjumper said:
I save a new file each time with a description in the title such as MyFile010_NewIntroduction. Major save points are capitalised so I can cull the interim files when they are older.

Unless I am working in a linear way, and not editing anything, Versions is useless. I cannot be certain of the integrity of a particular section unless I read it all and can recall the meaning of every single bit and their interaction, which is impossible. Arbitrary save points cannot track what work was in progress.

Auto Save is great for some people, for others it is a hindrance. I only want the option to turn it off. I don't want the feature removed.
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Most of us work the way you do. It's always version b, b edited, pre final, final, one last check version, etc. As you well mention arbitrary save points make little sense in this scenario, who knows what they d changed at any point, and changed back, and who cares, it's the user milestones that matter. Esp. In the fisher price way apple is presenting versions it has even less use, it's not as if it's an elaborate detailed comparison or history of the versions... Apple should just make a system to save the last current state of the document (behind the scenes as a back up) and a few reverts back for the occasional user error or crash and do away with the versioning bs. 5 edits in a per x amount of time/content added and a backup of whatever stage you are at and leave the rest to the user to save when they want to...
 
faroZ06 said:
Why are these screenshots always taken on a laptop with less than 50% battery?

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Mission Control is just Exposé but more organized and therefore better. Launchpad is a neat way to have all of your apps in one place (instead of opening /Applications or putting the folder on your Dock).

Some of the new features may appear dumb and for low-level consumers, but they are just added features. They didn't remove the pro features. The exception is that the Library folders are hidden, which ticks me off. On a side note, the removal of Rosetta (which was not a pro feature but was useful) is annoying. The ability to save the contents of the RAM is great, and it's saved me a few times when my faulty GPU crashed. And the GUI has been improved a lot to make it easier to use.

Contrary to the belief (mostly amongst Windows and Linux users) that easy to use OSs are for "noobs", the ease of use helps professionals almost as much as it helps my grandma.
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Good luck explaining to your grandma, or anyone's for that matter, how to duplicate then save as with another name, why a document becomes locked, why something running has autoshut, why the os saved something when she didn't request it, and why when she quits something (and in some cases when she shuts the windows too, as in the safari bug) they pop back up again, why the hell everything is greyed out in the interface and there are no colour cues to navigate, why flash websites don't appear because now it has become an almost necessity to block it for safari to not become a memory hog (that's what happens when you go to war with a company you rely on for plug ins...), what the heck the small desktop windows are on top of the linen in expose, etc. etc... Also try to explain to her what resolution independence is and why the hell everything in the interface looks so damn small and can't be adjusted to a bigger font size...

... If all that make for an easy system to use for novices I don't know what makes for a difficult one... Let's face it lion is a nuisance to both "pro" users and novices.
 
In some ways, this is a convenient step.

In others, it's a complete pain and waste of bandwidth, if the settings can't be tweaked (I expect they won't even be accessible); i.e. if I have FCP and Photoshop on my MBP, I won't want those automatically installed onto my minuscule MBA.
 
I don't get it

I think Lion is a great operating system based on Gestures alone. The look is great as well. When I go back to my PowerBook G4 running Leopard, it reminds me how much better Lion is. For all of you that don't like Versions you can always install an older version of Pages or whatever application you are using that actually supports auto save. As for all other "iOSification" features: System Preferences.
 
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