OS X Mountain Lion Bringing Automatic App Downloads to Mac

[InuNacho]

Unless the news is os x mountain lion fixes most of lion's ****, nothing to get excited about.

OS X has lost all it's excitement anyway, no doubt since the b team of apple is developping it, when they do that is, it's become a very problematic os at its core, apple are right to be disallowing it from a older systems because it makes them resource hogs. Anyone out to extend the lifetime of their older mac should simply install windows, period.

They better be giving out for free btw, no one charges for a service pack, not even Microsoft, and with the things lion users had to endure it will be a common decency, of there's any of that left still at apple.

You are completely right, we shouldn't have to pay for major fixes and the return of old features, that should be given to us for free.

It really doesn't make any sense to buy back expose or why Microsoft will offer better support for "legacy" Apple hardware. Tiger came in two different versions for both Intel and PPC, could run with or without Core Image and ran BETTER than older OSes on the same older hardware.

Of course the old Apple that used to care about it's computers is long gone.

 

[Xcallibur]

Frankly I think the more amazing bits will be about iCloud (although if iOS 6 includes something like services that would be great).

Services?

 

[faroZ06]

Am I the only one who actually likes what Apple is doing with all the updates to OS X and feels that it's getting better and better?

Or maybe only the unhappy people post about it here.

Mostly unhappy people here. I like Lion in general, but the hidden Library folders and the missing "Save As" option is annoying. The rest is great and probably worth it... except my computer is from 2006, so I'm not updating.

 

[Phechs]

If you dont use 2+ displays with your system, or need the newest OpenCL/CUDA support NATIVELY, or dont know the difference between OpenGL CORE & OpenGL Compatiblity 3+ support, then please skip reading this post, PLEASE.

If multi-display support isn't FIXED in 10.8, its Windows & Ubuntu time for me(and the many others who are already jumping ship for an OS that serves users needing pro-level functionality/support). I've used macs since system 6(actually well before that), and really enjoy them. But when we didnt get even the basic OpenGL_3_CORE support for YEARS after other OS's(we still dont even have OGL3 compatibility support!), things began to become clear. And the necessary functions of a multi-display-supporting-OS that were stripped out of iLion, in exchange for some iOS hybrid features(that, to be fair, are pretty darn good on laptops and single display systems imo), has let the users demanding "pro level" functionality knowing what the hints they drop are meaning.... when they also dont update their mac pro line for YEARS AND YEARS. Hint hint, if you need more than 1 display for your WORK, if you need new GPU support, PCI 3, OpenGL5, etc, then OSX has given obvious hints for years now as to their chosen consumer-centric direction (for the near term anyway). Here's hoping for a new MacPro this decade, OpenGL 4.x support, and the return of multi-display support AT LEAST AS GOOD AS LEOPARD, ;-)

 

[ugp]

Only useful if you have multiple Macs though. I would say more people have multiple iOS devices than Macs.

 

[JAT]

Uh, no thanks. Windows, individual apps, I've seen this for years. Always leave it off.

 

[Jynto]

Tim Cook has not adequately managed the lion debacle.

If Stve had been alive (sorry but I have to go in one of those if Steve sentences..) a lot of heads would have rolled off. Hell Steve fired the guy the d spent a few millions of dollars in litigation to hire him from IBM (mark pappermaster), their star addition to the team featuring on promo photos, just because of the anntenagate, a design Steve himself had insisted upon.

There's no chance in a million he d have done nothing for an os x release that has been this buggy and unpolished. Autoshutdown (aka system induced app crashing), autosaves (even when the user doesn't want to save), windows restores (even after you shut down every window as in safari and logged out), cumbersome duplicates and locked files for no reason, versioning in every single app that might not need versioning... Etc. etc. there simply hasn't been almost any over the hood addition to lion that wasn't both poorly thought out in terms of its requirements and even more poorly implemented.

And these were supposed to be the main selling features of the os, because in terms of under the hood development, memory management, file system advances there was little to no work down, and a lot of regression at points as witnessed by the increased kernel task resources used and the memory leaks in safari.

I simply can't see how Steve would have left all that slide. Lion has been an embarrassment to apple, made only tolerable by the insanely good quality of the hardware current macs, and computers in general use.

Good luck with trying to fix os x with ml with the same team that brought you lion...

Btw, Anyone going for ml .0 release (and those unlucky ones with a new mac purchase...) will really be soldiers in the front line taking a hit for the rest of who plan to go in on at .1 , .2 or .3 even.

Okay, I'm not the biggest fan of Lion myself, but this is just ill-informed. Let's get the facts straight. Mac OS X Lion was announced on 6 June 2011 during the WWDC keynote that Steve himself spoke at. Jobs passed away four months later on 5 October. He worked for Apple until the day before he died. Not only did he back Lion, but he was heavily involved in Mountain Lion and beyond.

So please don't assume that Saint Steve could do no wrong, because in your opinion he did. I don't think the company will fall apart without him. People have been complaining about Apple for years while Steve was around, just as they will continue to complain in his absence.

 

[AppleGuesser]

I am beyond ready for OS X Mountain Lion

 

[Jynto]

Notice how everyone that tells you OS X is becoming like iOS conveniently ignores the fact that no features have been removed from OS X?

File System - Check
Non Mac App Store distribution - Check
Remote Access - Check
Scripting - Check
User Accounts - Check

Support for PowerPC (legacy) applications - No check
'Save as' feature - No check
Old-style Spaces - No check
Front Row - No check

I'm not saying that it's automatically bad because they took these out, but some people miss them.

 

[Michael73]

Not in Sync

Anyone who owns both a MP and MBP and uses the power of the MP knows that there's still a ways to go until the two can be used interchangeably. I wouldn't want some of apps on my MP on my MBP not to mention even if the apps on my MBP and MP were in sync, I still wouldn't use my MBP because the screen real estate afforded on my 30" ACD is much better suited to working on some things than others. I'll acknowledge though that my combination of machines and apps is probably in the minority and that automatic app downloads across many devices for the majority of people is most likely fine.

 

[faroZ06]

I am beyond ready for OS X Mountain Lion

I'm gonna be stuck at Leopard for a long time. My new computer will be able to handle anything, but let's just say that my settings go far beyond the /Users folder

 

[PurrBall]

Support for PowerPC (legacy) applications - No check
'Save as' feature - No check
Old-style Spaces - No check
Front Row - No check

I'm not saying that it's automatically bad because they took these out, but some people miss them.

Actually-

'Save as' feature - Check.

 

[nokuchikushi]

I save a new file each time with a description in the title such as MyFile010_NewIntroduction. Major save points are capitalised so I can cull the interim files when they are older.

Unless I am working in a linear way, and not editing anything, Versions is useless. I cannot be certain of the integrity of a particular section unless I read it all and can recall the meaning of every single bit and their interaction, which is impossible. Arbitrary save points cannot track what work was in progress.

Auto Save is great for some people, for others it is a hindrance. I only want the option to turn it off. I don't want the feature removed.

Everything you want to do is still there, it's just labeled differently. When you become comfortable with versions, and you are at a place that you want to preserve, you choose, "save" and it does exactly that, saves a snapshot of where you are. It's not an "arbitrary" save point but a very deliberate one and you can use "browse all versions" to look at every save you've made.

If you want to "save as" then just choose "Duplicate." You'll get a duplicate document which you can save to wherever you like. And the nice thing is you don't have to go to the file menu to do any of this. There's a dropdown next to the file name at the top of the document, where you can rename, duplicate, move the file (including to iCloud) without having to switch to the Finder. It's actually a better, more streamlined way of doing exactly what you want to do, and I admit I was put off by it at the start. Since then I have come to understand and embrace it and appreciate it as a big improvement. Seriously, this new way works really well.

If you work a lot with Google Docs, as I do, it's been doing most of these things for the longest time and it seems a natural way to work. I've never heard anyone complain about auto save there. Only in OS X. There's no "save as" in Google Docs, but you can save a copy and then rename it. You can revert to past versions whenever you like. Say what you like about auto save, but sometimes I'm glad there's a version that was saved when I forgot to. It's saved my ass a couple of times (pun intended). I have come to appreciate auto save and that OS X is imitating this new way of working online is welcomed by me as the workflow is now consistent across environments and devices. I don't work one way online and one way locally. This is now the workflow, these are the commands, the experience is similar if not identical. It rocks, really.

 

[I WAS the one]

I don't know... i've been a Mac user since Mac OS 7.5 and I think all of this "new features" are more eye candy transition to an iOS-like modern OS for the Mac. All of this new stuff are logical implementations that others OS have already. Why announce "notifications" as something big? I mean Ubuntu had notifications since 9.04 or earlier. I think Apple needs to start working on the OS with more passion or we are going to see just iOs devices sooner than we think.

 

[nokuchikushi]

Mostly unhappy people here. I like Lion in general, but the hidden Library folders and the missing "Save As" option is annoying. The rest is great and probably worth it... except my computer is from 2006, so I'm not updating.

"Duplicate" is the new "save as." Same function, different name.

 

[iRockMan1]

Now automatic application downloads? Guess I'll be using Windows on my Macs until they crap out. At least I won't have to pay Apple tax on my future hardware purchases.

 

[nokuchikushi]

I am beyond ready for OS X Mountain Lion

I've beta tested all the ML versions and it is terrific. All the grumpy old men can bitch and moan but the changes are wonderful improvements. Every time I hear someone complain about missing "save as" (when "duplicate" does exactly the same thing, only without having to use the Finder) I have to wonder how it is that they are so unfamiliar with their OS. Perhaps if they spent less time reading these boards they'd know that their complaint has no merit.

 

[mrsir2009]

So that's why random apps kept downloading onto my iPhone...

 

[bjet767]

"The exception is that the Library folders are hidden,:

We'll then you don't know your OSx very well then and the free app which turns on and off the ability to view the hidden files without going to the Terminal.

Gentlemen and ladies I use both Apple OSx and Win 7 and quite frankly Win 7 is a great OS, but so is OSx. At this point I would say the only real difference is the number of apps written for Win and the cult following many have towards Apple products.

Here is what I am looking forward to, a real touch screen with full desktop functionality. I love look and feel of touching the screen over the mouse and touch pad on the MBs.

But I still like a keyboard over that screen keyboard on the iPad.

Here's my staple:

i7 desktop with 8 gig memory dual boot Mountain Lion and Win7
MBair late 2010 11" 4 Gig 1.6 Duo
iPhone 4
Company iPad 2

Oh and the touch pad on the MBs far exceeds any I have used on any PC book of any size.

My thoughts.

PS this thread was about Mountain Lion and has drifted a lot.

Still no answer from the chap who thinks the latest OSx have "dumbed down" the product.

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Free app to view hidden files in OSx:

http://www.tonymacx86.com/C:Dq-OCPpT/ShowAllFiles.zip

You have to join the forum to get it, free!

 

[faroZ06]

"Duplicate" is the new "save as." Same function, different name.

Oh! I don't use it that much, so I didn't know that. OK, "Duplicate" a better name in my opinion than "Save As" for what it does.

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Good luck explaining to your grandma, or anyone's for that matter, how to duplicate then save as with another name, why a document becomes locked, why something running has autoshut, why the os saved something when she didn't request it, and why when she quits something (and in some cases when she shuts the windows too, as in the safari bug) they pop back up again, why the **** everything is greyed out in the interface and there are no colour cues to navigate, why flash websites don't appear because now it has become an almost necessity to block it for safari to not become a memory hog (that's what happens when you go to war with a company you rely on for plug ins...), what the heck the small desktop windows are on top of the linen in expose, etc. etc... Also try to explain to her what resolution independence is and why the **** everything in the interface looks so **** small and can't be adjusted to a bigger font size...

... If all that make for an easy system to use for novices I don't know what makes for a difficult one... Let's face it lion is a nuisance to both "pro" users and novices.

I have no idea what you are talking about with the tiny icons. And the complaints you mentioned are just things that you have to get used to. They aren't worse, just different. They renamed "Save As" to "Duplicate", so what? My grandma has probably never used a PC before, so she wouldn't know.

Autosaving is definitely more convenient and easier to understand than manual saving. There are a lot of features I wish I had in Leopard. The one annoyance is that the Library folders are hidden, which angers me.

 

[SeaFox]

What's that little notch out of the battery icon?

It looks like one of those tick marks that indicates a specific charge level. Since the battery is at 42% It could be either a "1/3 charge" or a "1/4 charge" mark given the battery icon meter is displayed at an angle on the menubar.

A little enhancement to the meter for inclusion in Mountain Lion perhaps?

 

[WestonHarvey1]

I'm pleasantly surprised that more people didn't take this news as somehow signifying the end of the Mac and Apple.

 

[jlnr]

What annoys me is how hard it is to read the changelog for updates. Every time I see a 2.0 bump of a favorite app in iTunes, I have to dig up the changelog on the product page. The iPad update screen is the one that does it best IMHO.

 

[Comeagain?]

Support for PowerPC (legacy) applications - No check
'Save as' feature - No check
Old-style Spaces - No check
Front Row - No check

I'm not saying that it's automatically bad because they took these out, but some people miss them.

You have an iOS device that had Spaces, Front Row, could save-as, AND run on PPC processors? Wow! Where'd you get it?

 

[JoeG4]

Why is Apple copying Windows xp?