OS X Mountain Lion Bringing Automatic App Downloads to Mac

[jlnr]

Autosaving is definitely more convenient and easier to understand than manual saving. There are a lot of features I wish I had in Leopard. The one annoyance is that the Library folders are hidden, which angers me.

Okay, autosaving… Where are all these versions saved, how many of them, for how long? Do I get a warning when the disk is full? Can I somehow clean up the space used by them? Will all versions follow the file when I move it onto a USB stick or mail it? Am I wasting disk space if I keep pressing cmd+S because I am used to it from Apple's own Xcode?

This was all pretty easy to answer for power users on 10.6 with Time Machine. There are hundreds of thousands of power users on the planet, and every time a document goes missing or a disk is full, one of them gets a phone call and has to clean up.

I don't mind if some people enjoy the new model, but it's too early to tell if it is easier to manage in the long run.

 

[strausd]

Mission Control is just Exposé but more organized and therefore better.

oh my goodness you know absolutely nothing.

 

[rikscha]

Most did downgrade, a lot didn't even "update" to lion, and if apple hadn't disallowed iCloud (even to mm subscribers) on sl (while they had no problem offering the app store to make money), almost no one with any sense would have updated to lion.

Watch your manners btw. And don't misinform users, I ve had a lot of Linux boxes through time, and wine is not a viable solution, good old windows xp and 7 will extend the life of older macs though. Ubuntu is not where it should be, the biggest Linux distro, and it's also grown much more demanding than it used to be, and equally buggy. I am sorry I can't recommend Linux I d like to, but I can't. Not to anyone who's not very well versed in computers.

(btw I like how you implicitly or not so implicitly agreed, that a. Another os will extend older macs life, and that lion users did have to endure...)

Speak for yourself, you fool! Lion > SL

 

[Mr. Gates]

Why is Apple copying Windows xp?

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Making fun of XP is like telling a Nixon Joke.

Besides, your analogy makes no sense

 

[aloshka]

Making fun of XP is like telling a Nixon Joke.

Besides, your analogy makes no sense

Completely agree. What the hell is he talking about. I for one, am really happy about an auto update. Will be nice not having to constantly monitor and update my legit, actually paid-for software.

 

[smulji]

Okay, I'm not the biggest fan of Lion myself, but this is just ill-informed. Let's get the facts straight. Mac OS X Lion was announced on 6 June 2011 during the WWDC keynote that Steve himself spoke at. Jobs passed away four months later on 5 October. He worked for Apple until the day before he died. Not only did he back Lion, but he was heavily involved in Mountain Lion and beyond.

So please don't assume that Saint Steve could do no wrong, because in your opinion he did. I don't think the company will fall apart without him. People have been complaining about Apple for years while Steve was around, just as they will continue to complain in his absence.

Actually, Steve Jobs first previewed OSX Lion October of 2010 Back to the Mac Event. OSX Lion was previewed again (including the debut of iCloud) by SJ at WWDC 2011.

But you are right tht Tim Cook doesn't deserve the blame for whatever's wrong with OSX Lion, or for that matter any products coming out this year since they would have to have been in incubation for at least a year, if not longer.

 

[Xenomi software]

Iphone 4 16 gb

I love how Apple design their products. Make all product connected, once you know how to use either one of them then you will know the rest.

Iphone4 16gb

 

[vmachiel]

I like the idea, but it's not gonna be as useful as it is on iOS. Many people have one Mac, whereas they have multiple iOS devices

 

[Molecule]

Unless the news is os x mountain lion fixes most of lion's ****, nothing to get excited about.

OS X has lost all it's excitement anyway, no doubt since the b team of apple is developping it, when they do that is, it's become a very problematic os at its core, apple are right to be disallowing it from a older systems because it makes them resource hogs. Anyone out to extend the lifetime of their older mac should simply install windows, period.

They better be giving out for free btw, no one charges for a service pack, not even Microsoft, and with the things lion users had to endure it will be a common decency, of there's any of that left still at apple.

This is possibly the whiniest post I've ever read on Macrumors.


Oh and if you want to extend the lifespan of an older Mac, you should probably install Linux, not Windows.

 

[Beliblis]

Hopefully the new Macbook Pro will come out before the new OS. Who would want to have Mountain Lion pre-installed anyway?

 

[Hyper-X]

Apple has failed miserably with OSX Lion and throwing out features Windows and other Linux distro's have been doing for years only now is pointless. It seems they're more focused on developing iOS products than with OSX development.

TBH Microsoft has also been guilty of the same thing with Vista, when they stopped listening to their customer base, professionals and software developers that's what happens. With Windows 7 you could see in their ads where regular folks were saying "Windows 7 was my idea" however what a lot of people didn't realize is that's when MS actually started to listen prior to 7's release.

What did the introduction of Lion accomplish, hardly anything meaningful. Yes it's technically more secure than Snow Leopard but even then it wasn't bombproof enough to protect several hundreds of thousands of Macs against Flashback. Airdrop, natural scrolling, Launchpad and Mission Control were all overrated hype that hardly anyone used or got frustrated using. Apple left their own Snow Leopard users out in the cold when they failed to offer iCloud to a genuine Apple OS and instead offered it for Windows Vista and 7 platforms.

 

[kemo]

Speak for yourself, you fool! Lion > SL

I wouldn't call him a fool! Anyway maybe it's your personal preference that Lion > SL, but for a solid amount of people it's vice versa!

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Hopefully the new Macbook Pro will come out before the new OS. Who would want to have Mountain Lion pre-installed anyway?

If the new MBS would not be able to run Snow Leopard than unfortunately I wont be buying one. Or maybe if the ML will be really improved overally over Lion than I may consider getting one, but most preferably I will get the latest model of MB's or Air that can handle Snow Leopard because for me it's the best OS Apple made so far period.

 

[mixel]

I loved Lion and ML is a joy to work with. It really hasn't caused me any headaches at all.

I'd say I come under pro/semi-pro bracket (constant photoshop(etc) and occasional dev work) and I have two 24" displays. I'm content with how things work now.

I've set mission control to not group application windows though.. I'm happy for that option.

 

[lifeguard90]

Great. No refresh today either. Guess June it is

This is bogus, news is quiet again. No Mac hardware posts of substance since last monday with geekbench scores. Ccmon!

 

[alvindarkness]

I loved Lion and ML is a joy to work with. It really hasn't caused me any headaches at all.

I'd say I come under pro/semi-pro bracket (constant photoshop(etc) and occasional dev work) and I have two 24" displays. I'm content with how things work now.

I've set mission control to not group application windows though.. I'm happy for that option.

Out of interest how does ML handle two monitors when doing full screen on an app? Does the second monitor turn blank like it does in Lion?

 

[Tech198]

This is expected..

Brings no surprise to me. Apple clearly are pushing for automatic anything if they want too.. Why not the App Store... ??

 

[Marvin1379]

It doesn't do automatic updates but if you purchase a new app or song on your iPhone and that app has a iPad version the iPad will start the download automatically.

It's really handy

I think they should allow purchasing of iPad only or Mac apps on iPhone. Sometimes you catch wind of a sale and only have your iPhone handy. You buy, it downloads on your other device.

 

[NAG]

Services?

I'm not a developer so my explanations will probably be wrong in some way. You can think of it like a way for apps to interact with each other. At the moment all they can do is provide urls and what files they can use. The urls requires apps to be specifically coded to interact with each other instead of an app just saying "I can do this" and all apps that want to do something can just pull a list of all apps that can do something (e.g. the dictionary app Terminology can replace the system dictionary but the apps have to be coded to open Terminology at the moment rather than just pull a list of all apps that can define words or do something with selected text).

Macworld article on Services.

Edit: Oh and the reason you probably never heard of this NeXT feature is that everyone pretty much used some combination of drag and drop, copy and paste, and the file system to do the same thing manually in Mac OS and they never made a huge push to advertise Services (unlike the Dock).

Oh and a place where Services could really be neat is with Siri. Currently, Siri asks a preset group of databases like Wolfram Alpha for information. If it could figure out what Services provided by installed apps you could maybe ask Siri to do something and it would get an app to look something up or do something. Problem is this puts a huge hole in the current iOS security model.

 

[JHankwitz]

I wondered why this feature didn't exist from the first place.

Because software evolves. It's initial release provides basic functionality. Additional releases add features and benefits somewhat based on customer demand. Like, why didn't Gates include all the functionality of Windows 7 when he created DOS? Because software evolves.

 

[lifeguard90]

We need Mac hardware news! Its been 8 days since geekbench posts. To get that far was like a month befofe that for imac posts

We dont need petty iphone screen size posts every day! MR posts have been few and far between since Friday.

 

[the read]

What a annoying feature this will be.

Why do Apple insist on trying to build software that does basic organization and attempts to do the thinking for us. I don't want all apps on all my devices...

This is on the same annoying level as Lions "Automatically open windows on a restart" feature that angers the world. It took them 12 months to fix that...

Why don't they focus on fixing the crappy bugs in the browser and You tube viewer to make the software more stable, over finding more pointless features for the lowest common denominator.

A big Grrrrrrrrr... from me.

 

[Nickro]

Well .. they have to try..

 

[milo]

...while necessary under-the-hood improvements remain at the bottom of the priority stack for Apple.

10.8 does have many under the hood improvements, as well as new features that have nothing to do with iOS.

If Steve had been alive...

Steve was alive when MobileMe was released. That alone is enough to make "If Steve had been alive..." a pointless comment.

'Save as' feature - Check.

Downvote all you want, but he's right. Save As is back in 10.8.

Out of interest how does ML handle two monitors when doing full screen on an app? Does the second monitor turn blank like it does in Lion?

Unfortunately, at this point it's still the same as Lion. Full screen is pretty useless with more than one monitor.

 

[bjet767]

God Morning!!!

I read this from last night:

"Apple has failed miserably with OSX Lion and throwing out features Windows and other Linux distro's have been doing for years only now is pointless. It seems they're more focused on developing iOS products than with OSX development."

This is a totally pointless, uninformed and nonsensical post.

What features of Windows?
What features of Linux?
How have they focused on iOS over OSx?

OSX is a very mature OS in the big scheme of things and the improvments I see are user initiated. What do I mean? iCloud for instance. Apple is not the originator of the iCloud idea any more than they were of the GUI interface. I have been using "DropBox" to store data for use on my various devices and Gmail to transfer contacts and then came iCloud.

By integrating the app, iCloud, right into the architecture of the two OSs my operation is now seamless and I have eliminated a whole lot of duplication the old cloud systems offered.

Good stuff and customer driven, the changes are (Yoda talk).

 

[justperry]

I'm gonna be stuck at Leopard for a long time. My new computer will be able to handle anything, but let's just say that my settings go far beyond the /Users folder

Oh! I don't use it that much, so I didn't know that. OK, "Duplicate" a better name in my opinion than "Save As" for what it does.

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I have no idea what you are talking about with the tiny icons. And the complaints you mentioned are just things that you have to get used to. They aren't worse, just different. They renamed "Save As" to "Duplicate", so what? My grandma has probably never used a PC before, so she wouldn't know.

Autosaving is definitely more convenient and easier to understand than manual saving. There are a lot of features I wish I had in Leopard. The one annoyance is that the Library folders are hidden, which angers me.

I am a Leopard User too, and never used Lion (On PPC) and I am a bit amazed that for a User which goes beyond the normal /Users folder you can't seem to figure out a work around???

Let me help you out.

First make your invisible files visible, Show and Hide App or Tinkertool will do that easily.
Next Open a new window of your main disk, select Library folder, right click and make alias, you can also make a symlink.
Rename it as you like, if its invisible there are ways to make it permanently visible, I just tried on Leopard, it is visible, renamed it and still works.
Cheers

Edit : This is valid for all your Library folders, and if you rename it to Library with a space following it it's like the real Library folder.