And what is sad for many many users (including me) is the ONLY reason we'll have install Rosetta on Snow Leopard is because of the outrageous fact that Intuit after YEARS of promises has yet to offer a Intel version of Quicken for the Mac!
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OS X Snow Leopard Installation Process Changes Described?
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And what is sad for many many users (including me) is the ONLY reason we'll have install Rosetta on Snow Leopard is because of the outrageous fact that Intuit after YEARS of promises has yet to offer a Intel version of Quicken for the Mac!
I was attempting to make a joke about how pathetic XP is.
Thus, XP to 7 would be like Jaguar to Snow Leopard.
The more I think about it though, it seems Win 7 is like Leopard.
The biggest problem with Windows 7 is the move from 32-bit to 64-bit......always requires a clean install (although XP and Vista was the same).
-Kevin
which will hopefully prevent a lot of screwups by the truly consumer owners (you know, the ones that thought that was a cup holder)
you're right. lets just stick with the $129 system.
very good chance that those saved updates would be pointless anyway. so what's the fuss.
they come in the mail. targeted I believe to arrive on the day of or within 1-2 days.
but you can still go to the launch. it isn't 'with store purchase only'
yes.
more or less. this is a good thing about Apple. you might have to answer a couple of questions. hit agree once or twice and probably restart the computer. but for the most part the installer they use walks you step by step through everything.
it means that the computer puts your personal data in a safe spot, upgrades your system software and puts your data back
think of it like repainting your house. you have to move your stuff yes. so it doesn't get messed up. you could just toss it all and start from scratch (a clean or 'erase and' install). or you could put it in a storage unit, paint and then bring everything back (archive and install)
not the only way.
do you mean like a migration from. very likely yes.
do you mean using them as the start of your backups. i suspect not. the clock will likely be reset so a full backup will happen again. the only twist is if you can go back before that and I believe I have heard yes.
flawed. no. bloated yes. Leopard still had PPC support. which is being dropped in Snow Leopard. that is part of why it will take up less space.
what's the fuss really. in the old days you would have paid $129 to upgrade.
you have to have Leopard for installing Snow Leopard so if you look at the price of Leopard and then the upgrade for less than $20 you are getting new suites that are way better than what you could use (since '09 was Leopard only). even if you look at it as $129 for all the OS stuff you are still getting both packages for less than the cost of one.
you are griping cause you can't upgrade an illegal installation. boo hoo.
well it would likely be $129 since that is the standard price. but based on what Apple has released someone doesn't know what he is talking about. probably assumed since that was the scheme before it stands.
And what is sad for many many users (including me) is the ONLY reason we'll have install Rosetta on Snow Leopard is because of the outrageous fact that Intuit after YEARS of promises has yet to offer a Intel version of Quicken for the Mac!
with luck the release of Snow Leopard and the 3 year anniversary of the last PPC sold, combined with prices that make it more viable to replace than repair those old machines will result in 'fire meet ass'
Why the boxed set?
This may be to get the numbers of updates to iLife, iWork & OS 10.5 Leopard to be higher. Maybe it is for the additional revenue. You could still buy the OS 10.5 disk & then be able to pay the 429 update fee to OS 10.6 Snow Leopard. Another person stated a rumored $120 OS 10.6 Snow Leopard only system disk as per a conversation with an Apple Store employee. A salespersons words are many times just rumors as this site is anyway.
I purchased the boxed set with OS 10.5 when it came out because I thought that I wanted the new iWork '09 & iLife '09. I already owned an OS 10.5 upgrade disk so I didn't need the OS disk. But at the time Amazon's price for the boxed set was $20 cheaper than the iWork/iLife toal would be, So why not have a spare full install DVD? But for as much as I have used them I'm not sure I'll update the next time.
You'd hopefully uncheck them in the optional install but you'd still get the value of having the option to install them.
This may be to get the numbers of updates to iLife, iWork & OS 10.5 Leopard to be higher. Maybe it is for the additional revenue. You could still buy the OS 10.5 disk & then be able to pay the 429 update fee to OS 10.6 Snow Leopard. Another person stated a rumored $120 OS 10.6 Snow Leopard only system disk as per a conversation with an Apple Store employee. A salespersons words are many times just rumors as this site is anyway.
I purchased the boxed set with OS 10.5 when it came out because I thought that I wanted the new iWork '09 & iLife '09. I already owned an OS 10.5 upgrade disk so I didn't need the OS disk. But at the time Amazon's price for the boxed set was $20 cheaper than the iWork/iLife toal would be, So why not have a spare full install DVD? But for as much as I have used them I'm not sure I'll update the next time.
I think it's part of the new multiple system Image Boot feature in Snow Leopard that seems to have fallen off the internet.
I'd like to know how they implement the separation of these updates so the version doesn't change.
Intuit's lack of Mac support
Is the head of Intuit still on the Apple Board of Directors? He was when they talked of ending Quicken support for the Mac & stopped support of QuickBooks for the Mac.
And what is sad for many many users (including me) is the ONLY reason we'll have install Rosetta on Snow Leopard is because of the outrageous fact that Intuit after YEARS of promises has yet to offer a Intel version of Quicken for the Mac!
Is the head of Intuit still on the Apple Board of Directors? He was when they talked of ending Quicken support for the Mac & stopped support of QuickBooks for the Mac.
It will be interesting to see that in action as well, although, I'd venture a guess that the installer would compare the dates of two files and leave the newer one. Then it would verify and repair the permissions. I dunno. That seems like the most obvious solution to me.
Of course, a botched point update would require an erase and install, but for most users, the in-place reinstall will save lots of time. It's just one of those things that makes you wonder why they didn't think of this before.
I don't think you quite understood me. WHY do you have to have leopard to install snow leopard if there is an option to erase and install? An erase of a tiger system looks no different than an erase of a leopard system when the installer starts installing snow leopard....
So why is apple telling all tiger users to buy the box set if an erase and install of the $29 snow leopard disc will offer the same result sans ilife and iwork? Instead they should just point out that if you want ilife and iwork you will have to get the box set....
2x QT, incompatible apps list, Customize button??
QuickTime X and QuickTime 7 ? WTF?? Anybody got a decent reference that explains why we'll need two versions of QuickTime installed or howeverthehell that is supposed to work? I know the screenshots showed limited functionality in QuickTime X, but I thought that was just for ßeta testing, not for release software! Isn't Snow Leopard supposed to be streamlining things?? This seems like the worst kludge Apple's ever perpetrated. Not even Microsoft could think of this one!
Do Windows users have to install QuickTime X and QuickTime 7 as well? QuickTime 7 barely runs on old machines now, so much for iTunes and iPod users.
I sure hope Apple will be publishing that list of incompatible applications so we can make an informed choice BEFORE we install Snow Leopard. Sorry, the apps you use most aren't compatible nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
I'm getting tired of Phil (that's all macworld folks) Schiller justifying things, let's see Steve explain these 'necessities'.
Don't you think 'Erase and Install' should have been under the Customise button, like every other Apple install?? Thus begins the era of stupid-Apple. Schmidt has done his job, he can put away his hammer and go back to Google, now.
QuickTime X and QuickTime 7 ? WTF?? Anybody got a decent reference that explains why we'll need two versions of QuickTime installed or howeverthehell that is supposed to work? I know the screenshots showed limited functionality in QuickTime X, but I thought that was just for ßeta testing, not for release software! Isn't Snow Leopard supposed to be streamlining things?? This seems like the worst kludge Apple's ever perpetrated. Not even Microsoft could think of this one!
Do Windows users have to install QuickTime X and QuickTime 7 as well? QuickTime 7 barely runs on old machines now, so much for iTunes and iPod users.
I sure hope Apple will be publishing that list of incompatible applications so we can make an informed choice BEFORE we install Snow Leopard. Sorry, the apps you use most aren't compatible nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
I'm getting tired of Phil (that's all macworld folks) Schiller justifying things, let's see Steve explain these 'necessities'.
Don't you think 'Erase and Install' should have been under the Customise button, like every other Apple install?? Thus begins the era of stupid-Apple. Schmidt has done his job, he can put away his hammer and go back to Google, now.
This seems an interesting timesaver, although I have to admit, I can't remember the last time I've had to re-install an OS for a Mac when I wasn't putting it on a whole new HD.
Stupid Things
Apple does enough stupid things on their own. How could one person make mcuh of a change on that? Just make your own list. If it is empty then you better start being truthful or get a life outside the Apple religion. i.e. read the 10 Commandments or a that type of document if you believe in a different god, like Steve Jobs.
Apple does enough stupid things on their own. How could one person make mcuh of a change on that? Just make your own list. If it is empty then you better start being truthful or get a life outside the Apple religion. i.e. read the 10 Commandments or a that type of document if you believe in a different god, like Steve Jobs.
All software is flawed - how many updates were released just in the last week?
But "64-bit support requires a Mac with a 64-bit processor" is not the same as "Macs with 64-bit processors have 64-bit support".
The first statement doesn't say that all 64-bit CPUs can run the 64-bit kernel.
I'm not sure that I'd trust this....
Why would I do a reinstallation - because something's AFU. If the FU is in the 10.6.x code, then replacing the 10.6 bits might not fix the problem.
On the other hand, perhaps the 10.6.x updates will leave the original kits on the disk in known locations, and the 10.6 reinstallation quietly applies all of those updates as part of the reinstall.
Agreed - it would have been nice if Microsoft had tackled that issue and allowed Vista x86 to Win7 x64 upgrades.
Relax. I'm sure they are taking the same road as iMovie. QuickTime X is a complete redesign. Chances are the features that are lacking in QuickTime X will be added over time. For now, if you need the more powerful features of editing with QuickTime Pro, you'll have to use the older version.
It's not about Leopard actually NEEDING to be installed, Apple just wants to know if you own Leopard. Same as with Tiger.
Here's an example. Macworld had an after party (which I attended) in San Francisco. Only Macworld attendees were allowed to attend the after party. We had to show our Macworld badges to get in. Without proving your went to Macworld, you couldn't get into the after party.
Same as with upgrading from Leopard to Snow Leopard. In Tiger's case, if you skipped the upgrade to Leopard then you shouldn't have the privilege to upgrade to SL for the same price as Leopard users. Leopard users either bought a new Mac or they bought a copy of Leopard when they were on Tiger. Since Tiger users decided to not upgrade when Leopard came out then they should pay full price.
I clean reinstalled Leopard 3 times on a brand new iMac before Apple finally admitted there were Mail bugs and issued a fix.
And almost the exact same problem has appeared since X.5.8 - Mail fails to log in to ISP's server EVERY time I launch. It connects to various other POP and IMAP, gmail and private servers OK, just not the ISP's. If I click through the dialog boxes, it might connect or I have to shut Mail down for 8 hours and 'something' clears (either on the ISP's end or, as I suspect on OS X's end) and then it only fails to connect once (yes, that certificate is valid; yes, you have all the details in your keychain; and yes, I have tried keychain repair).
I've got a bad feeling about this
iMovie is an app. QuickTime is integral to OS X - try running OS X without it. QuickTime without Pro features is what you'd install on a netbook, not a machine that actually does anything.
So what you're saying is that if I want to do any actual work, I need to downgrade to QuickTime 7 ?? Can't wait Let's call it less than half a redesign, eh?
Do you guys honestly think a company that doesn't even force us to enter a simple key during the installation of their OS would even think about forcing us to install a whole OS before allowing us to install their new OS?
Well, I don't!
Well, I don't!
If you referring to installing the $29 copy Snow Leopard onto an empty hard drive without any previous version of Leopard installed then you are living in a fantasy world mate. It costs money to be an Apple owner upfront (as opposed to being more expensive for a PC owner after the fact) so why should Apple all of a sudden be the hero and charge everyone $29 with or without a Leopard install?
Wait I do remember one time, and I'm embarrassed to say I referred to it in a post made in the last week. It was when the update to 10.4.2 broke 3rd party wifi cards. I did an archive and install to 10.4.0, and dug up the 10.4.1 update.
In the new scenario, unless it can be disabled, I wouldn't have been able to downgrade unless I wiped the drive independently. Maybe.
Nah, it's just a moon.
For your sanity's sake, I'm actually starting to hope that you're guessing right.
HA, for my sanity's sake? I could care less how it works. I have a brand new Macbook Pro, already ordered my free copy of the SL up-to-date disc, plan on doing a full erase of Leopard and install of SL. It's everyone else here that's got their shorts in an uproar thinking they are gonna get screwed.
How does Apple verify that you have Leopard? Do you just put the Leopard disc in like Windows upgrades? Hopefully you dont have to upgrade from Leopard, since I like to do clean installs on new OS.