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OS X Snow Leopard Installation Process Changes Described?

What the hell damn heap of crap is this: 'A software compatibility check is included that has a list of known "bad" apps, and disables them. Those programs are moved to an "Incompatible Software" folder'.

So there goes my 1Password stuff down a black hole no doubt and half my other third-party stuff, like Smartscroll, which I'll have to wait weeks for updates to drag back, sorry-assed, from their folder of banishment to join the party.
 
Poncho said:
What the hell damn heap of crap is this: 'A software compatibility check is included that has a list of known "bad" apps, and disables them. Those programs are moved to an "Incompatible Software" folder'.

So there goes my 1Password stuff down a black hole no doubt and half my other third-party stuff, like Smartscroll, which I'll have to wait weeks for updates to drag back, sorry-assed, from their folder of banishment to join the party.
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I assume these types of apps would be something like "Application Enhancer" which gave many people blue screens with 10.5 upgrades.

1Password is not in the same class of applications.
 
holbie said:
Isn't it more like XP-->Win7 is a Jaguar-->SnowLeopard transition?
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No.

WinXP -> Vista -> 7

Or.

Tiger -> Leopard -> Snow Leopard

Wait a second. Does this mean Apple is making up for a flawed operating system?
 
Just had a look on the website and they still have "64-bit support requires a Mac with a 64-bit processor." - so I assume that the last remaining drivers have been finally moved to 64-bit going by that information given that they've maintained the same party line - that is, they haven't narrowed it down by stating, "xyz models only supported in 64-bit mode".
 
Poncho said:
What the hell damn heap of crap is this: 'A software compatibility check is included that has a list of known "bad" apps, and disables them. Those programs are moved to an "Incompatible Software" folder'.

So there goes my 1Password stuff down a black hole no doubt and half my other third-party stuff, like Smartscroll, which I'll have to wait weeks for updates to drag back, sorry-assed, from their folder of banishment to join the party.
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What're you so angry about? It's not like Apple not setting them aside would magically make them SL compatible. It's up to the devs to do that.
 
So why is the tiger->leopard disc $140 more if you can do an erase and install?
 
Poncho said:
What the hell damn heap of crap is this: 'A software compatibility check is included that has a list of known "bad" apps, and disables them. Those programs are moved to an "Incompatible Software" folder'.

So there goes my 1Password stuff down a black hole no doubt and half my other third-party stuff, like Smartscroll, which I'll have to wait weeks for updates to drag back, sorry-assed, from their folder of banishment to join the party.
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I think that's there to help prevent a repeat of the disaster that was Unsanity and the Leopard launch.
 
mlmorg said:
So why is the tiger->leopard disc $140 more if you can do an erase and install?
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It's the Box Set that comes with iLife and iWork.

Because you want those too, right? It's value added that might not be of value if you want just the OS.

Shadow said:
I think that's there to help prevent a repeat of the disaster that was Unsanity and the Leopard launch.
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That's definitely the reason.
 
Eidorian said:
It's the Box Set that comes with iLife and iWork.

Because you want those too, right? It's value added that might not be of value if you want just the OS.
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Seems weird that apple would say ALL tiger users need to get the box set -- what if someone doesn't want ilife or iwork?
 
mlmorg said:
Seems weird that apple would say ALL tiger users need to get the box set -- what if someone doesn't want ilife or iwork?
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You'd hopefully uncheck them in the optional install but you'd still get the value of having the option to install them. :rolleyes:
 
Jono Hayes said:
snow leopard upgrade disk will work the same way the leopard one does.

for those who bought a laptop the same month leopard came out would would of found a leopard upgrade disk in the box or had to apply for one to be sent.

if you have a new hard drive / blank hard drive

when you boot the installation, befor you even get to pick you language it will say you "you can not install this vision of OS X on this computer"
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True, fortunately it DOES let you run a Time Machine restore to a blank drive - it just won't install Leopard to a blank disk. I recently replaced the 320GB WD with a 1TB Caviar Black WD in my late 2007 iMac (which came with Tiger installed and a Leopard upgrade DVD).
 
HLdan said:
A part of me wants it to require Leopard to be preinstalled because it's more convenient, another part of me wants it to require you to put in your included restore disc to verify if you are a Leopard or Tiger user. I would like to get rid of these hackintosh users that think they are so smug by violating eula's. The way to do that is to make every customer require to put in their included restore disc to verify being a Leopard user.

And if anyone flames me about the hackintosh crap, just remember, if you are a legit user there's no reason for you to flame me. ;)
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But how about people like me or anyone that purchased an Intel Mac with OS 10.4 installed on it. Our restore disk has OS 10.4 Tiger on it. I guess we have violated our EULA by trying to install OS 10.6 over my same DVD that my spouse used to install OS 10.5 on our Hackintosh. I guess we'll just have to stay at OS 10.5 as on our PPC Macs. Again the early adopter is being punished by your simple restore disk scheme. Maybe my OS 1.0 disk will help. That's not PPC capable.
 
Ironically, if they change the installation process to be less confusing, it will confuse many people who are used to the way it has worked in the past.
 
Lots of confusion on things which do not change at all - there is just a new UI handling it. The only new thing is that SL will update automatically on a re-install (I guess there is just a copy of the updates somewhere on the drive).

BTW: I just put a new hdd into my Santa Rosa MBP and Leopard's installer didn't see the drive until I formated it HFS+ vial Disk Utility. Move along...
 
Shake 'n' Bake said:
Do those restore discs include the retail copies? Because it sounds like you were just talking about the grey discs that come with your computer.
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But a Hackintosh User has purchased the black full install disks not the grey restore disks that came with your Mac, either version 10.4 or 10.5.
 
Hmm not too crazed on the Mac Box Set for us slow Tiger users.

I called an apple salesman a few weeks ago and they told me that Tiger users could buy a full Snow Leopard disk for $120 instead of getting the box set...

Either he's right, he doesn't know what he's talking about, or he lied.

I'm hoping that he's right.
 
iGuardian said:
Hmm not too crazed on the Mac Box Set for us slow Tiger users.

I called an apple salesman a few weeks ago and they told me that Tiger users could buy a full Snow Leopard disk for $120 instead of getting the box set...

Either he's right, he doesn't know what he's talking about, or he lied.

I'm hoping that he's right.
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Taking a page from HLdan.

Apple said:
Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.

If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set (when available), which is a single, affordable package that includes Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard; iLife ’09, with the latest versions of iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD; and iWork ’09, Apple’s productivity suite for home and office including Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.
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http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html

It's possible there might be an OS only disc, possible.
 
Maintaining point updates

A reinstallation will not affect your Mac OS X version number. In other words, reinstallation of Mac OS X 10.6 on a Mac that contains Mac OS X 10.6.1 (when it becomes available) will not overwrite any new components delivered by 10.6.1. So when the re-install is complete, you will still be running Mac OS X 10.6.1. This will save users considerable time.
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This sounds potentially quirky, but if they manage to pull it off well, could be a real boon for users, especially those with slow internet connections. As the size of "updates" grows ever closer to the size of a full system install, I'd love to see this work smoothly.
 
Facts or No Facts

HLdan said:
Careful what you say on this, I said the same thing and got flamed for not posting "facts".
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On a rumor site there is usually a large lack of facts. Otherwise this would be called a fact site & not a rumor site. Your guess is just as good as someone else's.
 
macintoshtoffy said:
I worked at a place where there were a couple of idiots who did an 'erase and install' and thought it meant just erasing the operating system but keeping their files. There are idiots everywhere - they make up 80-90% of people in the world.
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So true.

heisetax said:
But a Hackintosh User has purchased the black full install disks not the grey restore disks that came with your Mac, either version 10.4 or 10.5.
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That's why I asked.
 
kbmb said:
So what's it's looking like is, in order to install Snow Leopard on a machine, that machine has to have either:

1) 10.5 Leopard installed, in which case you can:
a) DEFAULT - upgrade install
b) do an Archive and Install from the DU menu
b) do a clean install from the DU menu

2) 10.6 Snow Leopard already installed, in which case you can:
a) do the default install which is Archive and Install
this will keep you at your current patch level??

b) do a clean install from the DU menu
this will default you back to 10.6


So it's looking like there is no way to take a Mac....with a blank brand new hard drive in it, and install SL without putting Leopard on first (unless maybe they offer a full install disc at a higher price?)

-Kevin
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That makes no sense, considering that there will be Macs that come with Snow Leopard ONLY. What Leopard disk are they going to have? (Then again, I believe they have separate DVDs for each hardware model, so poo.)

It still becomes a headache having to manage multiple discs. I don't think they're going to pull a Microsoft and require that you have the Leopard DVD, as that just isn't elegant, it just assumes you're a thief (much like how the 5-license family pack has absolutely no checks on how many times you've installed).

If anything, I'd suspect that a "retail" version of Snow Leopard won't upgrade a Tiger installation, but will have no problems installing on a clean drive. You'll just have to back up your information yourself.
 
heisetax said:
But a Hackintosh User has purchased the black full install disks not the grey restore disks that came with your Mac, either version 10.4 or 10.5.
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I beg to differ that most of the Hackintosh users BOUGHT a copy of Mac OS X from Apple or an authorized reseller. It's not a cold install from the disc, it requires patching, not that it can't be patched of course. I just hope Apple this time has figured a way for Snow Leopard to be ran only on actual Apple branded Macintosh computers.
 
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