The start of iOS fragmentation?
Because if people have the option to pass on an iOS update, that opens the door for a lot of them to stick with an earlier version than the one that's currently out...
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Over-the-Air iOS 7.1 Download Files Deletable in Beta 3
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Because if people have the option to pass on an iOS update, that opens the door for a lot of them to stick with an earlier version than the one that's currently out...
No. This is for the stability of the software industry, and by extension those who use software. Fragmentation is bad. Companies have to spend money (raising prices) to pay a developer (who is extremely annoyed about his position and pay) to waste time on people that aren't willing to change, event for the betterment of the industry. The development will be slower, forcing everyone to enjoy the bugs submitted 2 years ago.
Just don't download automatically, Apple!
Apple shouldn't automatically download any updates in the first place.
It's ok to notify the user that an update is available from Apple and this can then trigger a user initiated manual download of the update.
Apple product managers might be stubborn and refuse to listen to their customers, but they get most things right anyway and so I shall continue to buy their products
Apple shouldn't automatically download any updates in the first place.
It's ok to notify the user that an update is available from Apple and this can then trigger a user initiated manual download of the update.
Apple product managers might be stubborn and refuse to listen to their customers, but they get most things right anyway and so I shall continue to buy their products
You have no guarantee that old tech will work. No need to waste people's time supporting that old of devices. Cheap hardware is deprecated in 2 years, unsupported in 4 years. Expensive hardware is deprecated in 4 years, unsupported in 6 years. Software is deprecated in 6 months, unsupported in 2 years. (all for major releases) I think that all is fine. Come back to complain if people are doing less than that.
So your brother's phone magically stopped working with iOS 7.? Bull. Several family members have iPhone 4's with iOS 7 and they're fine.
Ironically, if Apple DIDN'T give the iPhone 4 iOS 7, I bet you'd be on here bitching that a 3 year old phone is entitled to an update. Damned if you do...
In many ways this is a pure awkward way to delete - not all that easy to find and not very logical. The better method would be to able to delete it from the Install Update section, where it advertises itself openly.
Better still would be to prevent automatic downloads in the first place but just bug the user occasionally to download and install the new update.
Better still would be to prevent automatic downloads in the first place but just bug the user occasionally to download and install the new update.
What if you bought your phone, and then the next update would remove something you really use. Would you stupidly update and lose that feature ?
It happens all the time, for example with apps. You have this great free app, and in the next version the developer removes something which was free (for example the equalizer in a music app) and in the next version will cost 3 $ to add it back.
Or for example the next year the color pink really becomes super fashionable. So the next update for iOS has bright pink all over the interface. Most of the people agree that it looks great, but strangely you don't agree. Would you still update ?
I don't think anyone has noticed on ios7 with an iPhone5 that when you text... while it's sending if you try to switch from landscape to portrait or viceversa it's really laggy. BUT I discovered something to speed it up a bit.. when you increase contrast, that laggy switch goes away.
Also I don't see the point of "Set and Scale" of the iOS when all you can do is go from normal size to big size only. There is a lack of flexibility with that and I think they should fix it. When setting up photos for contacts, instead of just putting the picture as it is, they automatically zoom the hell out of it making the contact picture way too zoomed in. It's ugly.
Also I don't see the point of "Set and Scale" of the iOS when all you can do is go from normal size to big size only. There is a lack of flexibility with that and I think they should fix it. When setting up photos for contacts, instead of just putting the picture as it is, they automatically zoom the hell out of it making the contact picture way too zoomed in. It's ugly.
You guys do know you can turn off the automatic downloads for the system updates (don't know about ios 6 but true for ios 7)? In fact for music apps and iBooks as well. Settings>iTunes & App Store>Automatic downloads
----------
You do know most android phones aren't supported 6 months out? And many are still running the original os they shipped with. And not because the users didn't want to upgrade but the manufactures won't let them. Google claimed they wanted to address this but giving a minimal 18 month support to all android phones but has yet to do anything since saying that. So be happy that a 3 year old phone even got an update. Oh and while ios 7 may run a bit slow the point is it does run. I have meet a ton of people who still use ios 7 on the iPhone 4 and they understand that the phone is 3 years old so it won't run like the brand new iPhone 5s.
----------
You do know most android phones aren't supported 6 months out? And many are still running the original os they shipped with. And not because the users didn't want to upgrade but the manufactures won't let them. Google claimed they wanted to address this but giving a minimal 18 month support to all android phones but has yet to do anything since saying that. So be happy that a 3 year old phone even got an update. Oh and while ios 7 may run a bit slow the point is it does run. I have meet a ton of people who still use ios 7 on the iPhone 4 and they understand that the phone is 3 years old so it won't run like the brand new iPhone 5s.
That's about right. Apple decides to listen now AFTER it has forced everyone to upgrade to iOS 7, and then blagged about how wonderful iOS 7 adoption numbers are to the rest of the world!!
I have played a bit more lately with the in house iPad 3 and I agree, iOS 7 runs very poor on it. IOS 6 was fantastic, smooth with no issues, now it lags with keyboard inputs even! IOS 7 is the worst piece of software Apple has ever made, full of bugs and its totally unapologetically FORM OVER FUNCTION. All thanks to Ives.
I have played a bit more lately with the in house iPad 3 and I agree, iOS 7 runs very poor on it. IOS 6 was fantastic, smooth with no issues, now it lags with keyboard inputs even! IOS 7 is the worst piece of software Apple has ever made, full of bugs and its totally unapologetically FORM OVER FUNCTION. All thanks to Ives.
Last edited:
Increase Contrast fixes lots of problems with the slowdown that opaque effects bring. I have it enabled on my iPad Air to make it generally work faster. 7.1 should bring a bunch of these performance fixes I hear.
Although I understand your point, I think you need to make it in context. Apple does not, as far as I can remember (and I have been using apple since the 70s), do an iOS update simply to change the color. It almost always includes new features, bug fixes, and security improvements. So I guess in your example, I would advocate that you deal with the pink color in order to get the security and bug issues resolved. In terms of the apps, I agree with you. But that is not something Apple controls and was not the point of my post. I was focused on this article and the Apple iOS updates.
App developers regularly adjust what is free versus paid features or they go from in-app to ad supported or vice versa. So I get that some folks would not update their apps. Again this has no impact to system bugs, features, or security so I think that having more freedom there totally makes sense.
These crowd who keeps ignoring the actual issue or having reading problems are far more annoying.
----------
Using XP and Windows 8 as an argument is just genius. Please remind me when did XP come out?
Last edited by a moderator:
It may not be a common problem, but i'm sure there is at least several hundred thousand if not a few million people that connect through wifi using a Sat connection. Farmers, those on oil rigs, ships, etc..
The only way I could do that was by (gasp!) jailbreaking it. Then it gave me access to the hierarchy tree.
Am I to commend AAPL on these so-called "updates"?
" an improved keyboard" - one would almost think, they finally implemented Swype within the OS! If a slight font change is an "improvement" worth an OS upgrade, I wonder what isn't.
Should the next iteration of the OS not include Swype, more Siri languages, a number of other improvements, and should the iPhone 6 lack a 5" (or bigger!) HD screen, speakers easily on par with HTC One's, waterproofing (akin to the recent Xperia models - or better), appreciably long battery life (and a reliably working battery - not one that goes from 60% to 40% charge left within a minute and powers off randomly, as does my iPhone 5's) and NFC, I'm off this sinking ship, my years of steadfast loyalty, the thousands of spent on software notwithstanding.
As things stand right now, I'd say the sole advantage of the iOS over Android is its integrated dictionary and speech engine. Also, in some cases, seamless (i.e., non-OEM -dependant) OS updates.
The advantages of Android - currently - are countless. Apple can't afford to keep on playing petty - says the greatest Apple fan of once.
" an improved keyboard" - one would almost think, they finally implemented Swype within the OS! If a slight font change is an "improvement" worth an OS upgrade, I wonder what isn't.
Should the next iteration of the OS not include Swype, more Siri languages, a number of other improvements, and should the iPhone 6 lack a 5" (or bigger!) HD screen, speakers easily on par with HTC One's, waterproofing (akin to the recent Xperia models - or better), appreciably long battery life (and a reliably working battery - not one that goes from 60% to 40% charge left within a minute and powers off randomly, as does my iPhone 5's) and NFC, I'm off this sinking ship, my years of steadfast loyalty, the thousands of spent on software notwithstanding.
As things stand right now, I'd say the sole advantage of the iOS over Android is its integrated dictionary and speech engine. Also, in some cases, seamless (i.e., non-OEM -dependant) OS updates.
The advantages of Android - currently - are countless. Apple can't afford to keep on playing petty - says the greatest Apple fan of once.
Ios 7 was downloaded but not installed so all he had to do was backup, erase and restore. The installer gets trashed in the process. Been that way for a while. I was doing it back when I had stuff on iOS 5 that needed to be tested on iOS 6 before a total upgrade.
Now I will give you that perhaps it would be useful for managed devices to be able to block auto downloads, only because some slub would hit install without thinking about it and screw himself up cause that in house software isn't ready for it. But for general users it isn't really a major deal. Most folks didn't drop a giant load in the UI changes like folks around here. Nor do they run MDM etc
Last edited:
I did not tell them to do the upgrade, and in past they did not upgrade on their own. I usually manage their computer.
I think my dad did this, but he cannot remember.
Their memory is not that good any more.
So, the problem is if one souldn't use iOS 7, there is no way to go back.
No, it is not. It is purely because Apple is control freak. You never seen Microsoft forcing you update to latest Windows 8.1, heck you don't even seen Apple forcing you download latest OS X. Why would iOS any different? If for your reason Stability of software industry", Apple should force you update to latest OS X, but that did not happen.
If you avoid fragmentation, you build better software with good features, but not forcing everyone upgrade by forcing downloading updates, occupying storage space.
The point here is what IF you had an XP machine that was running great and on patch Tuesday Microsoft pushed down Windows 8. Now that old PC that WAS running just fine now is a POS because it cannot run the new nifty pink Windows 8. The user/owner of that machine now has a device that no longer functions as well as it was. He/she should have the choice whether to stay on XP or not. If Windows 8 isn't going to run well on older hardware then the user should not be forced to upgrade to it. Simple
1) XP was 3 OS ago.
2) It came out a long time ago.
3) iPhone 4 came out in 2010, but iOS 7 cannot be ran in a device only about 3 years old.
4) The update files should not even be FORCED onto the device.