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P-p-p-playoffs! '08

Tonight's the night!! Cole Hamels on the mound, Howard's power hitting again and it's the last home game of the season!!

GO PHILS!
 
dsharits said:
That one was worlds different. For one thing, the distance between Crawford's foot and the bag was MAYBE 3 inches. The distance between the guy and the bag tonight was about 4 feet. Last night's call was also different because the ump couldn't physically see the ball, it was impossible for him to see. Typically they watch the runner's feet and listen for the pop of the glove. Bare handed catch=no pop. Tonight's play was right in front of him, he just wasn't looking at it. There is no excuse for that.
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dude, theres bad calls all over this series on both sides. and as for moyers game, the strike zone was the most consistent its been all series. the rays 2-3-4 spots just cant hit the ball worth **** right now.

but anyway.....this series is over tonight baby! hamels on the mound and howard's hot again. I'll be in the streets with everybody else!
 
The classic foot in mouth, I can see the Philly fans ready to celebrate in the top of the 9th when the bottom drops out.
 
i have to say, this world series is quickly approaching debacle city. the umps stink, the weather stinks, the time stinks. i think it's time to take a good hard look at the sport and how to get it back to prominence.
 
And now, it appears they may have to finish the game tomorrow. I'm looking at the NEXRAD Doppler radar image from Weather Underground's web page and it appears the Philadelphia will be hit by a major rainstorm for the next several hours.
 
SactoGuy18 said:
And now, it appears they may have to finish the game tomorrow. I'm looking at the NEXRAD Doppler radar image from Weather Underground's web page and it appears the Philadelphia will be hit by a major rainstorm for the next several hours.
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Hopefully, if there's a break in the weather.
 
It is supposed to rain all day tomorrow here. Not sure what the weather is in Philly for the day.
 
furcalchick said:
i have to say, this world series is quickly approaching debacle city. the umps stink, the weather stinks, the time stinks. i think it's time to take a good hard look at the sport and how to get it back to prominence.
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If it can be done without making it about "the show" like in NASCAR, the NFL, and like some want in F1, I'm all for it.
"Show" belongs in movies and on stages, not playing fields and racetracks.
 
MacNut said:
It is supposed to rain all day tomorrow here. Not sure what the weather is in Philly for the day.
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Not much better:

Overnight: Rain. Low around 40. North wind between 13 and 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.

Tuesday: Rain, mainly before 2pm. High near 47. Windy, with a west wind between 18 and 28 mph, with gusts as high as 46 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.

Tuesday Night: A chance of showers, mainly before 1am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 39. West wind between 14 and 18 mph, with gusts as high as 32 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
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furcalchick said:
i have to say, this world series is quickly approaching debacle city. the umps stink, the weather stinks, the time stinks. i think it's time to take a good hard look at the sport and how to get it back to prominence.
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I think you're spending too much time listening to Buck and McCarver. For some reason they think their job is telling us what calls the umps should have made and what decisions the managers should have made. They really do take a lot of the fun out of the game. But you're right, I don't know why MLB puts up with this weather. They really do need to do something about it.
 
So the ruling from Buddy is that no matter what the score was the game would have been suspended. If the Rays didn't tie the game in the 6th it would not have been a shortened game.
The Philadelphia Phillies wouldn't have had the game handed to them, despite driving rain.

After Game 5 of the World Series was suspended on Monday, commissioner Bud Selig said that he would not have allowed a rain-shortened conclusion to the deciding game even if the Tampa Bay Rays had not tied the game 2-2 in the top of the sixth inning.
With the Phillies leading after 5½ innings, officials could have called the game due to rain and awarded Philadelphia the win and a 4-1 Series victory.
"We'd have sat here," Selig said. "The game would have been in a rain delay until the weather conditions allowed us to continue. And that could have been 24 hours or 48 hours or whenever."
That's a noteworthy stand because the rules don't permit an official game to be suspended unless it's tied. But Selig said he would have declared a de facto suspension, based on his own authority, and simply called it a "rain delay."

"I have to use my judgment here," the commissioner said. "This is not a way to end the World Series."
One of these days, then, the Rays and Phillies are going to finish the fifth game of the World Series. Just don't ask when.
"We're not going to resume until we have decent weather conditions," Selig said at a surreal press conference.
Selig said he couldn't say when this game will be resumed. He just said it would be a night game when that happens.
"It will be the same starting time whether it's Tuesday night or Wednesday night or Thursday night or whenever," Selig said.
And since the forecast is ugly for Tuesday and into Wednesday, there is no telling when that will be. Yet. But Selig said he had no intention of moving the rest of this game to Tampa Bay.
"No, we'll stay here," he said, "if we have to celebrate Thanksgiving here."
Selig said fans will be given "many hours" of notice as to when they should haul out their ticket stubs and come back to the park.
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IJ Reilly said:
I think you're spending too much time listening to Buck and McCarver. For some reason they think their job is telling us what calls the umps should have made and what decisions the managers should have made. They really do take a lot of the fun out of the game. But you're right, I don't know why MLB puts up with this weather. They really do need to do something about it.
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Agreed. What the ump says, goes. That's the rules, and the way baseball should be played IMHO.

MacNut said:
So the ruling from Buddy is that no matter what the score was the game would have been suspended. If the Rays didn't tie the game in the 6th it would not have been a shortened game.
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Which is the right call. No way you end a WS game short, no matter what.

/Go Phils!
 
PHILADELPHIA -- For the second time in two days, umpires acknowledged they missed a key call in the World Series.

The Philadelphia Phillies scored in the first inning of Game 4 on Sunday night after Jimmy Rollins scampered safely back to third during a rundown. But television replays showed he was tagged on the backside by Tampa Bay's Evan Longoria and should have been called out by third base ump Tim Welke.

"He's seen the replay. He knows he missed it," Mike Port, Major League Baseball's vice president for umpiring, said Monday.

This is the first postseason in which baseball is using replay -- though only to review home run calls.

Longoria swiped his arm in frustration after Rollins was called safe, and Rays manager Joe Maddon came out for a brief argument.

"I just saw him swing and miss. I never saw a tag," Welke explained after Sunday night's game. "That's a swipe tag. A lot of times on a swipe tag, the glove will pause. I saw him try to make a swipe tag but I never saw the glove pause."

Rollins wound up scoring when Pat Burrell drew a bases-loaded walk from Andy Sonnanstine, and the Phillies went on to a 10-2 victory that gave them a 3-1 lead in the best-of-seven Series.

It was the Rays who got a break in Game 3, when speedy Carl Crawford was called safe by first base umpire Tom Hallion on a seventh-inning bunt single. Replays showed Jamie Moyer's glove flip to first baseman Ryan Howard beat Crawford on a close play.

"Bang-bang play, and I tried to get the best angle on it," Hallion told a pool reporter. "I really didn't get a sound to be able to judge. It winds up being a great play. And looking at a replay here, they just got him."

Crawford scored as part of a two-run rally and Tampa Bay tied it later, but Philadelphia won 5-4.

There were a couple of disputed calls during the first two games at Tampa Bay, too. Maddon screamed for a balk on Cole Hamels when he picked off a runner in the opener, and Rocco Baldelli drew a key walk on a checked swing in Game 2 that the Phillies thought had been called strike three.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3667915
 
Banacek said:
Agreed. What the ump says, goes. That's the rules, and the way baseball should be played IMHO.
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It really disturbs me to have umpire's calls questioned by announcers in a booth who have the luxury of watching ultra-slow-mo replays from multiple angles, and even then they can't always be 100% sure. This constant harping on calls leads people to believe that there's a problem with the officiating, when in reality, the problem is with lame-brained TV announcers who are more interested in finding fault with the officiating than broadcasting the play on the field. Now they have this ridiculous magic box that's supposed to perfectly report balls and strikes, so they can question those calls too. And of course they do! Idiotic.

The ump may not always be right, but he's always the ump. So it has always been, and so it should always be. There is simply no other way to play this game and still have it be called baseball.
 
IJ Reilly said:
I think you're spending too much time listening to Buck and McCarver. For some reason they think their job is telling us what calls the umps should have made and what decisions the managers should have made. They really do take a lot of the fun out of the game. But you're right, I don't know why MLB puts up with this weather. They really do need to do something about it.
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i was referring to message board posters (not here) saying that kazmir was squeezed at the plate and he didn't get the same calls hamels did. but i see where you're going with this with the announcers, they love to create controversy sometimes they make them up so we have more whiney complainers. if it wasn't for the media, we wouldn't have known about steve bartman, because they kept talking about him, even though alex gonzalez made a costly error a few pitches later that could have ended the inning.
 
IJ Reilly said:
It really disturbs me to have umpire's calls questioned by announcers in a booth who have the luxury of watching ultra-slow-mo replays from multiple angles, and even then they can't always be 100% sure. This constant harping on calls leads people to believe that there's a problem with the officiating, when in reality, the problem is with lame-brained TV announcers who are more interested in finding fault with the officiating than broadcasting the play on the field. Now they have this ridiculous magic box that's supposed to perfectly report balls and strikes, so they can question those calls too. And of course they do! Idiotic.

The ump may not always be right, but he's always the ump. So it has always been, and so it should always be. There is simply no other way to play this game and still have it be called baseball.
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+1 totally agree...You have a major sport which does not instigate discussion/replay for most things and yet you have literally EVERY pitch being called into question with re-pitch graphics depicting how the ump was "wrong". It's literally becoming 50% of the broadcast and taking the game away. Either instate full discussion/replay or let the game be played without all the fluff.
 
By the way, if you want to imagine steam coming out of people's ears, go listen to WIP (610 AM) right now. The hosts there are sounding like they're ready to do something drastic over last night's fiasco. :rolleyes:
 
They're (Angelo Cataldi's Morning Show) right, though. It sucks that the Rays got to tie it up in the rain, but the Phils didn't get the same chance. Hitters have the advantage in the slop. Pitchers can't throw the wet ball and fielders can't play the wet ball, but hitters can still hit a wet ball. Baseball was tarnished last night. Bud Selig is a total moron!!

They should have either called the game at the top of the 5th OR let the Phils bat at the bottom of the sixth, to make it fair, considering the conditions.
 
furcalchick said:
i have to say, this world series is quickly approaching debacle city. the umps stink, the weather stinks, the time stinks. i think it's time to take a good hard look at the sport and how to get it back to prominence.
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Aren't this year's World Series games on at the same time as last year and the year before? I really don't understand what starting time people think would be better. 7:00pm ET so that the west coast misses the start? It's a compromise so they can show the game to as many viewers as possible and it hasn't changed in years.


IJ Reilly said:
But you're right, I don't know why MLB puts up with this weather. They really do need to do something about it.
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MLB is supposed to do something about the weather? Were you being facetious?
 
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