Palm Opens Up Mojo SDK to All App Developers

[nehunte]

iPhone was Apple`s first ever mobile phone. Palm has been doing this for over a decade. Pre is not their first entry into mobile phones. So no. This doesn`t really mean anything at all

I wasn't talking about the phone, I was talking about WebOS. And Palm hasn't done anything like WebOS before.

 

[meing3]

Love that someone is putting some competition in the market..but honestly has apple ever failed to push the envelope?

 

[misssamsays]

Lame.

Okay, so, Microsoft is going to be opening stores. But which computer brand will they chose to display? Will they give their customers support with various machines? Microsoft is just an operating system, not a computer brand, so I don't see how they can compare to Apple AT ALL.

 

[pika2000]

Well, glad that Palm finally did it officially, instead of "leaking it."

Anyway, WebOS won't put out much fight until Palm release WebOS phones worldwide. The reason Apple's Apps tore draw so many developers, good or bad, is because there are tons of iPhones and iPod Touch around the world. It's a huge market to tap into. Palm should not be worried about iPhone, they should be worried about Android. Palm is just 1 company. There will be many companies releasing Android phones soon, and unless Palm react quickly (push GSM WebOS phones out to market worldwide), they will be in trouble.

 

[ItsVictorB]

I don't know about you guys, but I only drive Ford cars. Specifically a Model T. All those other posers like GM, Honda, and Toyota think they know what they are doing but they are just copying us. We have 4 rubber wheels, and they copy us. We have a crank engine and they copy us. Our cars come in black and they copy us again! Geez...you'd figure these other guys could figure out a way to not copy us when building a car! Whatever, I'm going to hop in my Model T and laugh as I pass all these other posers on the highway.

 

[branjosef]

And why is this posted on MACrumors?

 

[mdriftmeyer]

its actually 49 million.

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:S

This network is bleeding rapidly.

Qwest is on solider ground financially and that's nothing to write home about.

US Sprint bought Nextel for > $6 billion and they are now worth < $3 Billion.

Clearly they are losing as LM Ericsson is taking over it's wired and wireless networks.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...networking-deal-with-ericsson/article1212419/

Kansas City — The Associated Press Last updated on Thursday, Jul. 09, 2009 01:17PM EDT

Sprint Nextel Corp. (S-N4.660.030.65%) has signed a seven-year deal with LM Ericsson (ERIC-Q9.83-0.02-0.20%) for the Swedish telecommunications equipment maker to take over operation of Sprint's wireless and wire line networks.

The deal, valued between $4.5-billion (U.S.) and $5-billion, will transfer about 6,000 Sprint employees to Ericsson. Sprint would retain ownership of its networks.

The move is seen as a way to help Sprint cut costs and make itself more competitive in the wireless market, where it has been losing subscribers.

The deal, which has been rumoured for months, is expected to close in the third quarter.

 

[ChazUK]

nice to have competition though... maybe all the wankers making fart apps can move to the Pre platform?

This is the best thing I've read on these forums, ever!

One thing that would push the app store to new lows would be the iFart graphically-enabled, immersive massive multiplayer online RPG for iPhone and iPod touch by Playmesh.

WHEN WILL THESE WANKERS RELEASING EXACTLY THE SAME, RE-SKINNED GAMES END?

 

[knightlie]

only 50,000 more apps to go...

Yes, but how many of any actual value? You're including fart apps in Palm's competition.


If the Pre lets you put your ow apps on your own device without paying $99 to Palm, then I might consider this. Developing for the iPhone/Touch is far too restrictive. I don't want to pay Apple almost the valud of my Touch again just to put my own programs on it.

 

[nick1516]

anybody able to get this running on 32-bit windows 7 rc1?

 

[Eso]

Something in order

We didn't start the flame war!

 

[changb]

Amazing, there was a friend sitting

My sense is that there are A LOT of really good apps out there that are hidden gems. Just this morning I wanted to spray some weeds in my backyard and wanted a way to identify them along with some other vegetation. I found myself doing an app store look to see if there is a plant identification app. Lo and behold there are several out there. Sure there are only a couple hundred downloads but in general they are well reviewed apps, just very niche. That's not to say there is a ton of crap as well. It's unfortunately that the really dumb ones get so much press when there really is a ton of goodness out there.

Amazing, there were friends sitting in Batam , Indoneasian island off Singapore and they were bothered by mosquitoes and someone pulled out an app that buzzed off the little critters. Really amazing
changb

 

[chris7777]

I am a long time palm user, but this after buying a centro, to "get by" until the pre, only to find out all of their promises to be backwards compatible(out of the box w/o 3rd party aps), among other things that didnt go as planned, just really burns me from wanting to get another one, I lucked into a palm T/X not to long after getting my centro, and if those morons had just done a phone like that, like oh I donnow the iphone, things might be different now in the phone world, but they didn't just fumble the ball, they bungled their whole busness, this is it folks, if web os doesn't take off, they are over, unless they end up changing busness models or something, , who knows maybe apple can scoup them up and get the best of both worlds.

I am planning on getting a new ipod touch, hoping it will have camera and voice recording, and having that be my new PDA. I would love to go with palm , but frankly, aside from being burned by them, I have no desire to burn money on a data plan from sprint or At&t. I know their are busness folks out there who require it, for their job, But aside from them, for the price charged, its like texting to me, insanely overpriced and I can't believe so many pay it no questions asked.

I do hope that maybe the economy, as well as palms continued existence have the effect, of both preventing them and apple from stagnation, as well as either force the phone companies into rethinking plans, and dropping data rates. Because I am sorry, I would rather carry 2 devices, and pay for say a 200 buck ipod touch (or for that matter just keep my wifi palm t/x) and pay $30 a month for 1000 minutes/text, through that new straight talk, than pay at minimum $70 for some data plan, under their current pricing that saves me nearly $500 a year. thats 2 more ipod touches, half the price of a macbook, and or at least 1 pc laptop.

I hope they both go strong to get prices down to a more reasonable level for us all.

 

[firewood]

Care to give some examples of graphic and CPU intensive apps for the Pre that were not created with the Mojo SDK?

The Classic PalmOS emulator.

 

[DELLsFan]

great news for developers

Yep. The iPhone is a huge market, but the Pre market doesn't seem like it may be anything to sneeze at.

 

[Mackan]

And why is this posted on MACrumors?

So that the few sane people who visit the site can have a laugh at all pathetic fanboys spewing out their clueless comments. Pure entertainment, I would say.

 

[clevin]

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:S

This network is bleeding rapidly.

Qwest is on solider ground financially and that's nothing to write home about.

US Sprint bought Nextel for > $6 billion and they are now worth < $3 Billion.

Clearly they are losing as LM Ericsson is taking over it's wired and wireless networks.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...networking-deal-with-ericsson/article1212419/

which link you provided dispute my statement that sprint has 49 million users as of now?

 

[kate-willbury]

I wonder what the Pre users will say once their store gets filled with crap.

"whoah am i in the itunes app store?"

 

[kate-willbury]

What does that have to do with anything? First I have a Pre and a Macbook and I STILL HAVE iTunes synching. I just won't update to 8.2.1 since iTunes 8.2 works flawlessly with the Pre (music, playlists, photos, videos, podcasts,etc.).

Also it's very freeing going from an iPhone to a Pre since it's all OTA. My google calendar/contacts all sync with my Address Book/iCal via Google and over the air. My email (Google and Yahoo) are both push IMAP and reliable. I can download music from Amazon Mp3 on the device. I can purchase apps on the device. I can upgrade to new firmware/software releases over the air too.

Why do I need to use iTunes again?

i agree. i have an iphone and i think the worst thing about it is itunes.

 

[macnchiefs]

ha!

I read nearly every post and still can't understand how Pre peeps think it even compares to the success of the iPhone...

3rd year of iPhone, 1.5 billion downloads, 10's of millions of iPhones sold and the Pre is 1 month old and heck, my local Radio Shack has never had any in stock...

Oh... you are arguing about what it _could_ become... well, in that case, I think the Pre might become a tasty cheese flavored donut. I win!

The stupidity in this case is humorous... come on clowns, keep it up, us fanboys need more to laugh at.

With your rational line of thought Windows 7 will be much better Snow Leopard...

Grow up

 

[kdarling]

Clearly they (Sprint) are losing as LM Ericsson is taking over it's wired and wireless networks.

Telfonica O2 in the UK also just signed a deal with Ericsson to take over daily setup and maintenance of their wireless network.

Apparently outsourcing the network is the hot thing to do. It cuts costs because Ericsson already has all the tools, and the worldwide economy of scale for various licenses.

Sprint says the saved money will go into expansion of network coverage.

 

[michelle21]

First of all I am not an Apple fanboy (ah girl) .

I have both sprint and att and probably by the end of the year WILL be doing cross application development for both Iphone, pre and if sprint or att get the Android . That platform too. You want to maxmize your customer base as much as you can because market conditions rapidly change.

There is so much misinformation about the pre its funny.

I think synergy is cool, but its not much use unless your tied to a palm server, but arn't phones connected something like 98% of the time.

Web OS / Mojo

Just starting reading a new book on that.

Palm webOS, 1st Edition
By: Mitch Allen
Last Updated on Safari: 2009/07/07
Publisher: O'Reilly Media, Inc.
Pub Date: September 2, 2009 (estimated)
ISBN: 978-0-596-15525-4
Pages: 400


Its interesting I'll give it that, the palm pre uses an embeded linux operating system, mojo is a very big class library with a lot of ties into the device.
This is not really new, and it is possible to use mojo with an iphone. There is at least one open source project I found on a google search.

Misconceptions -

1 Mojo apps are nothing more than web 2.0 apps, similar to what us developers started with for the iphone.
Answer : Yes and NO. Mojo is based on html5 , its a real rich library with a lot of native ties.


2) Mojo is a native development environment.

Answer: No in my opinion. The underlying environment is linux, much as the underlying environment on the iphone is osx, but with a lot of extensions which can be called from the mojo library. In a sense mojo is much like dojo, a very large and featured javascript library, But it is still ALL interpreted code.
I don't think you are going to be able to create games on this environment comparable to open gl , es on the Iphone. even though you do have access to open gl. Its highly abstracted.

3) I find this one funny, You can create apps faster on the pre than with the iphone.

This is an unfair comparison you can't compare web os/mojo to objective-c. A more fair comparison would be mojo development to:

1) a hybrid native/webapplication created with dashcode using QCConnect, or phoegap.

2) A serverside java/dashcode integrated application .

Using either of the above techniques you can create a fairly good , very featured application in a single day.

I've written tutorials on the very subject.

http://www.jsfcentral.com/listings/A21034


And a lot more on our sight at

www.mooncatventures.com/blogs


Personally I believe the pre is very comparable to the iphone, an iphone killer , probably not . But most of its key features can be duplicated on the iphone. And that includes synergy. Synergy is basically a cloud service, the webos does mashups , this can be duplicated using a capable backend server or google app engine , a native iphone app with APNS and a comet-d provider on the server side. Dojo, andromeda, icefaces etc.

 

[Tailpike1153]

Good for Palm

I seen a couple of people grouse about the lack of quality apps for the iPhone but ... come on. Come on! I'm old enough to when remember everybody and grandpa craved their monochrome Palm Pilots like digital crack. There were quite literally only 20 apps you could get. Apple has changed the game. Now every smartphone maker is trying to get people to start building apps. Yay for the consumer. The odd goofball who learned programming yesterday can take a crack at coding. If he/she stinks it up, the consuming public will leave negative feedback and hopefully the nut goes away. Succeed and the the sky could potentially be the limit. In comparison how much junk is out there for Windows or the even Mac OS desktops after 20+ years. The fact that a platform could garner 50K plus applications in a year is inconceivable!(Princess Bride reference) Eventually the quality apps will rise to the top. The others I don't care about so I won't spend my money on them. That's my choice and like it.

 

[pdjudd]

Amazing, there were friends sitting in Batam , Indoneasian island off Singapore and they were bothered by mosquitoes and someone pulled out an app that buzzed off the little critters. Really amazing
changb

How is that possible? Female Mosquitos (the ones that bite you) are deaf (see myth number 5) so it couldn;t have been related to sound. Exactly what could an iPhone do that repelled the mosquitoes?

 

[BVeritas]

First of all I am not an Apple fanboy (ah girl) .
1 Mojo apps are nothing more than web 2.0 apps, similar to what us developers started with for the iphone.
Answer : Yes and NO. Mojo is based on html5 , its a real rich library with a lot of native ties.

Sorry gal, they are still web apps. Pick any game in the App Store and there will not be an equivalent for the Pre. The will all be more or less static web duplicates.