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Palm Pre Roundup: Public Launch Tomorrow, iTunes 8.2 Syncing
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Joking aside, I assume that vendors have to agree to the USB consortium rules in exchange for use of USB technology, and a violation of those rules could result in revoking permission to license USB.
AFAIK, the only recourse the USB consortium would have would be to prevent Palm using the USB logo on their packaging - they can't stop them using the technology
But it isn't Palm that displays "syncing iPod", it's iTunes that chooses to display that.
I don't think there's much Apple can do from a legal standpoint to prevent Palm doing this - they're not infringing any patents, copyrights, etc by using Apple's iPod Identifier in iTunes mode and after that the fact that it works is all down to Apple!
Is there any reason whatsoever to believe that a court would consider the iPod market share a "monopoly"?
Is it? Didn't I see a post recently listing a few other non-Apple devices that are able to synchronize with iTunes? Seems to me it's chic to be cheek.
The battle of the updates
I think that would be epic and awesome. Apple's customers would become so annoyed after... I dunno... 8.2.6, that we'd beg Apple to just surrender and let all 600 Pre owners use iTunes.
No, please don't. I love iTunes but don't love the iPhone. Don't forget, iTunes wasn't originally designed solely to be the iPhone client. It was music and video management software that eventually gained support for managing a phone. iTunes holds my music, movies, and TV shows. Palm coming out with their own software to satisfy the fanbois is just plain stupid. If Palm can make an awesome new phone like the Pre work with existing software widely used throughout the world, that's great for any consumer who wants a Pre. I don't need them, or any other company creating more software that does the same thing as a great piece of existing software. As far as whining about when Apple will come down with their legal team (and most likely outside counsel) and fight them, we need to have a "Legal" thread to contain all the bi***ing and moaning about that. If Apple was really smart, they would come here and ask for donations to pay their lawyers... the amount of contributions they could amass here could really help their bottom line!
But iTunes only displays that because the pre (incorrectly) lists their vendor and product ID's as apple and ipod.
You really think it's perfectly legal for a device to output a signal that says that it is a different product made by a different vendor? If their product claims to be an ipod from Apple, that looks like a pretty blatant trademark violation to me.
Could you imagine if AMD or some other chip maker sold a chip that listed itself as "intel" in the firmware, particularly if it could be visible somewhere to the user in software? I don't see that happening.
And one could make the same argument of Apple updating iTunes to break pre syncing.
I dunno. After reading the above posts I still think Apple could go after Palm in court and battle it out there for a while. For Palm it's unfortunate that Jon Rubinstein's previous connection to Apple could potentially allow for a temporary order of some kind.
If Apple chose to go that route.
If Apple chose to go that route.
Why doesn't Palm come out with a simple Mac app for the Pre? Rather than using Apple's software that wasn't intended for other hardware? It could do more than sync music, address book backups, etc...
While I wouldn't want Apple to break the syncing that the Pre has with iTunes, Palm shouldn't rely on a smartphone-rival, Apple, for media support.
While I wouldn't want Apple to break the syncing that the Pre has with iTunes, Palm shouldn't rely on a smartphone-rival, Apple, for media support.
Good question. How is Palm going to support mac (and PC) syncing for calendar, address book, and other stuff? Wouldn't it make the most sense to have music syncing in the same app instead of requiring separate ones?
They are reportedly called by their own name (and thus not an 'iPod'). But that list of players is very old. In a sense, Apple stopped supporting new third-party player when they brought out their own MP3-player, the iPod. Maybe not right-away but not too soon after.
I really don't know why Apple blocking this hack would be a bad thing.
It'd be one thing if Apple had in place a standard sync plugin SDK for any company to write their own plugin for their devices -- and then Apple specifically prohibited Palm and only Palm's plugin from working.
That's not the case though. There is no "plugin" system. Apple isn't letting anyone sync with iTunes (except a few legacy devices where Apple worked with Creative et. al. to support them years ago).
It'd be one thing if Apple had in place a standard sync plugin SDK for any company to write their own plugin for their devices -- and then Apple specifically prohibited Palm and only Palm's plugin from working.
That's not the case though. There is no "plugin" system. Apple isn't letting anyone sync with iTunes (except a few legacy devices where Apple worked with Creative et. al. to support them years ago).
Exactly, it could even read the iTunes music library (like iVolume) so one only has to use iTunes in order to organize music, instead of two different apps. Just seems like Palm is kinda slackin' here.
Don't they have an official software for pc/mac management of the pre???
Sure iTunes is almost the defacto standard but you don't see major players like nokia or rim using it...
It doesn't make sense to use your rivals platform to launch a product that's supposed to go h2h with it.
Of course they are in a tight spot as apples platform, iTunes is so established, and is a getaway to all things digital...tough job.
Apple will let people buy the Pre for a while...get them used to using iTunes, then make a forced update that blocks the Pre from iTunes and piss em all off for buying the Pre..making them buy an iPhone like they should have from the beginning.
Anyone who buys other hardware to use with Apple software = buyer beware imo. You better know what you are getting in to.
Anyone who buys other hardware to use with Apple software = buyer beware imo. You better know what you are getting in to.
I don't agree. Palm isn't good enough to design their own desktop client so they use iTunes?
iTunes + iPhone is one package. It's like Playstation coming out with new hardware but using XBox's firmware to compete against Xbox.
Yes, may the best phone win, and part of the phone is its desktop client. Palm, get your own.
Exactly. iTunes is Apple's content management and syncing solution. I find it even offensive that the pre its taking advantage of somebody else's solution! If they want to make a product right, they shouldn't try to take shortcuts.
