Point taken. But I saw that as a bunch of poorly-managed companies, rather than too many choices.
I guess it's all in the interpretation.
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Palm Pre to Launch June 6th Priced at $199.99
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Point taken. But I saw that as a bunch of poorly-managed companies, rather than too many choices.
I guess it's all in the interpretation.
Point taken. But I saw that as a bunch of poorly-managed companies, rather than too many choices.
I guess it's all in the interpretation.
And the point also stands that flooding a market as big as the cell phone industry (almost everybody has one) and hurting it would be very hard compared to flooding and hurting a relatively new and much smaller market like video games were back in the 80's.
Does not look promising to me...
A lot of things about this phone look lame to me... web-based (javascript?) apps? You pay $300 for 8Gb and then don't forget to complete and mail that mail-in rebate form (need to cut something from the box?) Keyboard only in vertical layout (too cramped)? I don't like it...
A lot of things about this phone look lame to me... web-based (javascript?) apps? You pay $300 for 8Gb and then don't forget to complete and mail that mail-in rebate form (need to cut something from the box?) Keyboard only in vertical layout (too cramped)? I don't like it...
Palm Pre = mullet of smart phones. Business up front, party in back!
I'm expecting the business side (email, Calendar, Memos, todos, syncing) will blow away what we've got on the iPhone. Plus, from the reviews I've read the media handling of this phone is really nice... Dare I say, almost iPhone nice.
It's going to be a fun summer.
I'm expecting the business side (email, Calendar, Memos, todos, syncing) will blow away what we've got on the iPhone. Plus, from the reviews I've read the media handling of this phone is really nice... Dare I say, almost iPhone nice.
It's going to be a fun summer.
The apps aren't javascript apps. The SDK that Palm provides has hooks into the operating system and can access everything from the GPS to contacts, calendars, etc. They don't reside on the net, they are native on the device. You are thinking what Apple originally planned and that isn't what Palm did.
The size is a little disappointing but I have an iPod for that, I don't want to kill my phone battery because I listened to music.
I've never had a problem with Sprint/Palm rebates but I get your point. You can always buy from Best Buy (they give you the after rebate price).
The keyboard is good - not great. I have a Treo 800W now and I can type really really fast and accurately on it. The Pre keyboard is just a tiny tiny bit smaller. I'm fast and accurate but not as much. I still prefer the hardware keyboard above a software keyboard but that's personal preference.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When I got my hands on it I had VERY high hopes and expectations and I wasn't disappointed at all. I think the smartphone market will end up being Apple, Palm, and Google after a few years.
If nothing else I hope that Palm's touchstone gets Apple to release an inductive charger for the 3rd gen iPhones AND iPod Touches.
Update: To clarify if there was an induction charger I would want it to be able to sync as well, if thats possible.
Apparently Touchstone can only charge and not sync from what I can see.
Update: To clarify if there was an induction charger I would want it to be able to sync as well, if thats possible.
Apparently Touchstone can only charge and not sync from what I can see.
Even with how clunky their OS is, I expect RIM to be around for quite some time. BES allows for the ability to put an absolute lock down on what people can do with the devices, and I think IT people adore that.
Seriously....
Ok, Everyone needs to chill out, ****, and be cool until BOTH the Pre AND the new iPhone have been released. I love all of this feature discussion about not 1 but 2 products that have yet to be released. Everyone should be happy about this exciting time we're living in. I mean come on. We're freaking using small objects that communicate with satellites in FREAKING OUTER SPACE!!! I think some people forget about how sweet things are. Lets all take a step back and be happy
That being said I'm really happy that palm is trying to compete. It takes balls to take on Apple head to head with their hottest product. I currently have an iPhone 3G on t-mobile USA and I have to say I'm sorely tempted by Sprint's pricing although I'm not sure how great their network coverage is.
Long live competition.
Ok, Everyone needs to chill out, ****, and be cool until BOTH the Pre AND the new iPhone have been released. I love all of this feature discussion about not 1 but 2 products that have yet to be released. Everyone should be happy about this exciting time we're living in. I mean come on. We're freaking using small objects that communicate with satellites in FREAKING OUTER SPACE!!! I think some people forget about how sweet things are. Lets all take a step back and be happy
That being said I'm really happy that palm is trying to compete. It takes balls to take on Apple head to head with their hottest product. I currently have an iPhone 3G on t-mobile USA and I have to say I'm sorely tempted by Sprint's pricing although I'm not sure how great their network coverage is.
Long live competition.
Here, here. I was talking with someone the other day about the 'olden days' back when Jobs showed a color (omg) Sony syncing over Bluetooth (!) to a Mac.I think some people forget about how sweet things are. Lets all take a step back and be happy
Not to mention that at that exact same time and up until last year, Japan and some of Europe's phones felt like they came from the future when comparing to US phones. Now they just seem like they're from a crappy alternate universe.
If they're not JavaScript apps, what are they? I thought webOS is based on HTML 5, JavaScript and CSS. "No new languages to learn, period."
Nobody read this Emperors new phone artikel?
I don't know how acurate it is , but it sure sounds like somebody is giving a very close look in the differences between the 2 phones here, but nobody has reacted to it in 11 pages that came after this, i don't get it.
I don't know how acurate it is , but it sure sounds like somebody is giving a very close look in the differences between the 2 phones here, but nobody has reacted to it in 11 pages that came after this, i don't get it.
I don't see how you could do that through the touchstone. The closest possibility seems to me to be charging through touchstone and syncing through bluetooth because you need some sort of wireless protocol to transmit data wirelessly.
I find it kind of hypocritical for so many people to diss the $100 rebate when many MacRumors members try to reassure the apprehensive back-to-schoolers that their $200-$300 rebates for iPods aren't that big of a deal/hassle.
Also, I think I'll wait to see how the prices come down for this phone, as it is probably going to go down unlike Apple's prices. I use Sprint exclusively, so this will be a nice alternative to my not smart Instinct.
Edit: Also the $99 printer rebate.
Also, I think I'll wait to see how the prices come down for this phone, as it is probably going to go down unlike Apple's prices. I use Sprint exclusively, so this will be a nice alternative to my not smart Instinct.
Edit: Also the $99 printer rebate.
Most Pre fans tout the multitasking as its killer feature, but you're too worried about battery life to make use of the most obvious use of multitasking?
Also, the original point of the iphone (and let's face it, love the Pre or hate it, it's pretty clearly iphone-inspired) was to combine a phone and an ipod, yet you're still going to have to carry an ipod with the Pre.
I mean hey, use your devices how you want; I just find it kinda ironic.
Yeah, RIM isn't going anywhere. BB has a legion of loyal fans, the most important of whom are corporate IT managers. That said, no matter how much brand loyalty you have, you can only limp along with an inferior product for so long before people start to notice alternatives (see: IE for proof of both (a) you can hang on for a long time with a worse product and (b) you'll eventually start to lose customers)
Sure, but it's just typical Roughly Drafted, spinning in circles trying to get web traffic.
Topic change. Re: keyboards
I loved my Samsung i730 vertical keyboard. Sure, it's small, but so is the iPhone virtual one. The best part was not having to go sideways as with most sliders. You could one-hand everything... and you didn't cover your screen with the keyboard either. Those abilities were nice.
They are JavaScript apps, but the language choice doesn't make them any less native. It doesn't matter if I write my app in Object Pascal, C#, Java, Objective-C or JavaScript as long as it has hooks into the operating system and has access to the hardware. That's where Mojo comes in.
The Pre is a lot like the iphone in some ways.
It is overhyped.
I mean what is so amazing that it has a REPLACEABLE BATTERY?
OMG it has MULTITASKING!...
There have been a few phones that had multitasking, just not in a pretty way like the pre.
OMG it has copy and paste!...
Again there have been a few phones and OS' that have had copy and paste.
You keep on nagging the iphone for being overhyped but the pre is overhyped too, seriously. When the Storm or G1 or w/e came out how come they didn't hype the replaceable battery? I mean isn't that 1-upping the iphone? Pish Posh.
It is overhyped.
I mean what is so amazing that it has a REPLACEABLE BATTERY?
OMG it has MULTITASKING!...
There have been a few phones that had multitasking, just not in a pretty way like the pre.
OMG it has copy and paste!...
Again there have been a few phones and OS' that have had copy and paste.
You keep on nagging the iphone for being overhyped but the pre is overhyped too, seriously. When the Storm or G1 or w/e came out how come they didn't hype the replaceable battery? I mean isn't that 1-upping the iphone? Pish Posh.
I really doubt this Pre will be any success at all.
Look at Android, which has the backing of many phone manufacturers. How it is doing now?
Far from great I think.
How Pre, an one-man OS, can survive when apps market for iPhone has already matured?
Samsung has a very nice OLED 3.7" phone that has 8MP camera and can do 720p recording (also it looks 100x better than this Pre).
But it is running on S60, what a waste!!
Nowadays, a phone without useful apps is just a phone that can play mp3 and take pictures.
Look at Android, which has the backing of many phone manufacturers. How it is doing now?
Far from great I think.
How Pre, an one-man OS, can survive when apps market for iPhone has already matured?
Samsung has a very nice OLED 3.7" phone that has 8MP camera and can do 720p recording (also it looks 100x better than this Pre).
But it is running on S60, what a waste!!
Nowadays, a phone without useful apps is just a phone that can play mp3 and take pictures.
Replaceable battery isn't what is cool, its the induction charging station that is cool and the battery that comes with it.
Multitasking is on other OS but not as well done as the Pre. Copy and paste is hardly something that sells the phone, it should be on there.
Right now there is little hype surrounding the iPhone. I see most of it focused on the Pre, we don't know its fate, we already know the iPhone is and will continue to be a great success.
Hmmm, we'll see, just one tiny little problem, for that they have take down Nokia and Symbian which by FAR has THE biggest market, in fact it IS the smart phone market to reach that goal.
Now, whilst you all seem to think that these are God's, do you expect Symbian to take it lying down? Samsung, Nokia, Sony Ericsson all make Symbian smart phones, SE has a very big following for it's smart phones, LG is rumoured to be making one, so that's four manufacturers and plenty of different models to choose from.
It may be Palm, Apple, Google in America, but I can assure you it won't be in the rest of the world. The only OS that has a nats chance would be Google because it's been picked up by the manufactures so that means lots of phones and networks.
And I haven't mentioned WinMo. Remember I am talking in a global sense here.
Anyway, the Pre? lacks features out the box just like the iPhone, so IMO it will go so far but will be aimed squarely at business users first. I was interested in the Pre but the fact yet again it's a device that can't record video, has a cramped keyboard, can't have 3D games and won't offer turn by turn sat nav in the UK for a while then it's not for me.