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Palm Pre

For me it comes down to not locking down the OS. Third party applications without the app store restrictions is what I want. Right now I wish I could use a browser other than safari, play music with another app instead of being forced to use the ipod app etc.
 
eplchamps0304 said:
For me it comes down to not locking down the OS. Third party applications without the app store restrictions is what I want. Right now I wish I could use a browser other than safari, play music with another app instead of being forced to use the ipod app etc.
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Agreed. While apple was on top they got cocky and it looks like they shot themselves in the foot.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Agreed. While apple was on top they got cocky and it looks like they shot themselves in the foot.
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At least they can change the Apple Store policies, if it's really hurting them and they have to.

But honestly, the Palm Pre is so different from the iPhone (design philosophy wise), and so genuinely interesting, Apple could have some problems on their hands.

I'm imagining Pre sales being either - OK, like android, but not anything Apple really needs to "worry" about, or totally and utterly EXPLOSIVE. Having a real keypad (which seems to be a big contingency with a lot of people), being more "open" (or at least certainly perceived that way) and being (potentially) more advanced (that multi-tasking, command+tabbing way to switch apps is red hot) I could see it being an instant best seller (Imagine if Palm just started selling the hardware unlocked?).

Really great txt / IM support (background processes, keyboard, push, etc), plus being as good as, but totally different from, the iPhone (and assuming Palm can pull it all off, of course) .... could be big.
 
For me and these are initial superficial thoughts but most people go on first impressions.

I Don't have the "I must have one" urge I get with apple's products. The industrial designer is no Ive, sorry. It "looks" mickey mouse

The keyboard maybe a benefit but it makes it look like an old style phone.

Also remember apple are 3 years in now with iphone and what will they do next this year?

Too late for palm to break back in.

I don't think apple have shot themselves in the foot. There are 10000 apps plus and in the a min they are all reliable. With my phone I want it to be stable so I like the fact that apple has pre vetted all teh apps so there are no viruses and not to many stabilty problems
 
needthephone said:
For me and these are initial superficial thoughts but most people go on first impressions.
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Yep, they sure are.

I Don't have the "I must have one" urge I get with apple's products. The industrial designer is no Ive, sorry. It "looks" mickey mouse
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Noted... True that Palm doesn't quite deliver with the same RDF Jobs does.

The keyboard maybe a benefit but it makes it look like an old style phone.
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Yeah, because most phones these days don't have physical keypads. :rolleyes: In my opinion, the iPhone's biggest weakness is its poor keyboard. It's slow, laggy, buggy, predictive text hardly works and it takes up half the screen, and is nearly impossible to use in Safari when in landscape mode due to how much real estate is used. A mix between a touch screen and a slider keyboard seems to be the best compromise, so you get a nice big screen and a full qwerty keypad.

Also remember apple are 3 years in now with iphone and what will they do next this year?
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We're comparing what is currently known about the iPhone and what is currently known about the pre. The pre can still change and so can the iPhone (although probably not by much since Steve seems to think it's perfect as is.)
And besides Apple might be three years in, but Palm has been in the game muuuuuuuuch longer.

Too late for palm to break back in.
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That's ridiculous. Since when is there a time limit? Anything can happen. The Pre will probably sell very, very well. And sure, Palm's phones have been subpar lately, but they've never been gone or dead. Those centros are still selling pretty well (I've about as many of those as I have seen G1s)
 
needthephone said:
Also remember apple are 3 years in now with iphone and what will they do next this year?
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What did they do this year? Add 3g and gps, where is the video camera, improved camera and all the other basic stuff that is missing.

You called keyboard old fashioned? Most people do prefer a real keyboard by the way.
 
This palm looks pretty sweet. Maybe some serious competition to the iPhone. Lots of eye candy in the OS and apps. I would curious to see how it performs.
 
skubish said:
This palm looks pretty sweet. Maybe some serious competition to the iPhone. Lots of eye candy in the OS and apps. I would curious to see how it performs.
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well, as far as i've seen with the demos and what not, it's pretty sluggish right now. But, the animations and the way it flows is pretty nice even if it's a bit slow. I wonder if the OS's speed depends on the internet connection because Palm did say this was a WebOS. Can anyone back this claim up?
 
techage14 said:
well, as far as i've seen with the demos and what not, it's pretty sluggish right now. But, the animations and the way it flows is pretty nice even if it's a bit slow. I wonder if the OS's speed depends on the internet connection because Palm did say this was a WebOS. Can anyone back this claim up?
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Face+palm

The OS isn't running off the web, it's running on web interface code, like javascript, CSS, html...

This was a super smart decision since sooo many more people know how to write webcode than they do cocoa.

Plus, what are you talking about? every demo I saw it was much faster and much smoother than the iPhone. Did you see the scrolling in the web browser? Ten times smoother than Safari, and you don't have to stop scrolling and wait for something to show up like you do in Safari. It's butter!

Over all it looks much more responsive than the iPhone, even with multiple apps loaded. And all the reviews are saying the same thing!
 
We need to remember that Palm was pretty much the leaders for most things mobile. PDA's took off with the Palm Pilot, Smartphones took off with the Treo, Netbooks took off with the concept of the Foleo. This Pre doesn't seem to be a flop like the Foleo was and it looks very good. The thing that amazes me is the way they handle multitasking. Very nice. I also love the notification features. Simply a great way to notify without it being all up in your face.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Face+palm

The OS isn't running off the web, it's running on web interface code, like javascript, CSS, html...

This was a super smart decision since sooo many more people know how to write webcode than they do cocoa.

Plus, what are you talking about? every demo I saw it was much faster and much smoother than the iPhone. Did you see the scrolling in the web browser? Ten times smoother than Safari, and you don't have to stop scrolling and wait for something to show up like you do in Safari. It's butter!

Over all it looks much more responsive than the iPhone, even with multiple apps loaded. And all the reviews are saying the same thing!
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Amen
 
I think the bottom line is this, I had a first generation iPhone, got a 3G. I hate AT&T and have heard pretty lousy things about Sprint (but they seem to be improving rapidly), however from what I've seen from this phone I'm now considering switching to Sprint when this comes out.

For what it's worth, this phone looks like it has everything I want in the box and if I wanted to add something it seems like it'd be easy as pie since all you need to know is java/css/html. I can also look up a wiki page and listen to internet radio at the same time while using gtalk, you can't say that about the iPhone.

With that said I will try and wait for the 3rd generation iPhone to compare, but I may just hate AT&T so much that I'd be willing to jump ship if I went into a Sprint store and tried one of these, which I will totally do on day one.
 
The best thing about the Pre is context memory

Palm mentioned context sensitivity a lot in their demo, and I think it's a big deal... especially since the iPhone has almost no context memory.

I really get annoyed on the iPhone when I click on a map or other link in say, a contact or search list, and off I go to Google Maps. But wait, there's no easy way to go back to what I was doing before, like every other OS allows. I have to hit the Main Menu button, and go find my app and start it again. Worst UI in the world, in this respect.

And, while I'm griping (which I rarely do), I'm about fed up with going to another page in Safari, and then having to reload the previous one when I go back... assuming the browser still remembers where it was. (Half the time when I open a new page, the old ones lose their history memory.)

Context is king. And multitasking helps keep it.
 
This phone is great! Reminds me of one of my favorite phones,the Xda2!
To ME the PRE looks so good that the iPhone next to it looks old.
Right now I'm happy with the iPhone. Once the pre comes out, good bye iPhone and Steve jobs.

Finally a ui like the iPhone but with everything the phone does not have.
 
ieko said:
I think the bottom line is this, I had a first generation iPhone, got a 3G. I hate AT&T and have heard pretty lousy things about Sprint (but they seem to be improving rapidly), however from what I've seen from this phone I'm now considering switching to Sprint when this comes out.
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There really is nothing wrong with Sprint, at all. I just switched from them about 3 months ago, not due to poor service or reception, but just because they didn't have any phones I wanted. If they had an Android phone or this Palm Pre 3 months ago, I likely wouldn't have changed. In addition, they have the cheapest contracts in the US market.

I'll wait 10 more months, if Apple doesn't have the basics down by then, I'm going back to Sprint. I'll pay the ETF.
 
IF Palm can get all of there current apps converted when this rolls out, AND working properly, then this will be a serious competitor to the iPhone and I for one will be snagging this one. If apple would have offered the iPhone to sprint, I probably would have an iPhone right now. I left crappy AT&T for the worst service ever. Sprint service is real good but does have billing problems. With there wimax coming online AND if proves to be profitable, then apple might have to up the ante. Competition is good and without new phones coming out to challenge apple, apple wouldn't be upgrading the iPhone. From what I have read, the new iPhone with a multi core processor should be fast and responsive. Time will tell. Until then, I'll be upgrading my centro to the Pre.
 
Mikey B said:
Except he's wrong about this one. The Pre needs to be on the Touchstone, i.e. touching it, to charge the device.
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and you know that how? It'd make sense that if it's really using the inductive charging that's been shown off for years at CES that it would still work, albeit not as well, if it's barely hovering over the pad and not making physical contact.
 
Mikey B said:
Except he's wrong about this one. The Pre needs to be on the Touchstone, i.e. touching it, to charge the device.
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Of course you would lay the device on the charger. It won't work from a foot away. But actual touch isn't necessary. You could have a piece of cardboard between them and it should still work.

An extra feature is that it'll switch the Pre to speakerphone mode if you're on a call.

My wife would love the ease of it. Instead of having to plug in/out a charger, she could just lay her phone down on it when she comes home. Nice little luxury.

On the downside, I believe you need a special charging coil battery door, which will make it slightly thicker.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
and you know that how? It'd make sense that if it's really using the inductive charging that's been shown off for years at CES that it would still work, albeit not as well, if it's barely hovering over the pad and not making physical contact.
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From Engadget's hands-on with device, as well as Palm's website http://www.palm.com/us/products/accessories/dock.html, and here http://www.everythingtreo.com/articles/2009/1/8/pre-accessories/, and here http://www.everythingtreo.com/articles/2009/1/8/pre-accessories/. And every other bit of info I've read about this specific device. In other words, google Touchstone and read.

kdarling said:
Of course you would lay the device on the charger. It won't work from a foot away. But actual touch isn't necessary. You could have a piece of cardboard between them and it should still work.

An extra feature is that it'll switch the Pre to speakerphone mode if you're on a call.

My wife would love the ease of it. Instead of having to plug in/out a charger, she could just lay her phone down on it when she comes home. Nice little luxury.

On the downside, I believe you need a special charging coil battery door, which will make it slightly thicker.
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Well, your previous response seemed to indicate that the Pre didn't need to be touching the Touchstone, and so far, all info that I've seen says that is not the case. Take a look around the net, all indications seem to point to the Pre needing to be making ocntact with the Touchstone.

I think that Palm would have made a point to state that the Pre didn't need to maintain contact to the Touchstone for it to work if that was so.

I'm sure you are right about induction charging but I'm talking about its implementation in these devices.
 
Mikey B said:
Well, your previous response seemed to indicate that the Pre didn't need to be touching the Touchstone, and so far, all info that I've seen says that is not the case.
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We might be saying the same thing.

My original response was to the idea that every time you hit a pothole, a car inductive charger would disconnect. To me, it made me think they thought it had charging contacts.

The point was, inductive chargers don't require actual touching. They do sometimes require nearness in order to make the base recognize a friendly device and turn itself on.

Cheers - K
 
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